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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 10:41 PM
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105. WTF? Get a clue: "good, decent, moral people" are not bigots.
His comments are demeaning and only reveal what a calculating politician he is.

Thank goodness for the primaries because I've seen enough of him to know that it's not that he's "green" or "young". He just blatantly ambitious.

And I wish he'd shut the fuck up talking about my brothers and sisters.
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  -"Obama talks gay. (Again.)" Bluebear  Nov-12-07 02:12 PM   #0 
  - Maybe it's just me, but people who embrace that "ex-gay" crap...  terrya   Nov-12-07 02:15 PM   #1 
  - I am friends with a lot of people I disagree with  Taverner   Nov-12-07 06:27 PM   #84 
  - Obama's 'support' of gay rights is as phony as his "y'all"  MethuenProgressive   Nov-13-07 07:08 AM   #111 
     - Actually, y'all has entered popular American discourse and is no longer simply regional.  ellisonz   Nov-14-07 10:52 PM   #123 
  - Heck, I even disagree with "good" or "decent". How can you be good or decent  closeupready   Nov-12-07 02:15 PM   #2 
  - You're right. You can't.  RufusTFirefly   Nov-12-07 02:44 PM   #19 
  - Agree. You can't.  emilyg   Nov-12-07 02:46 PM   #21 
  - Exactly. I doubt Obama would be trying to sell us racists who were "good and decent"  Harvey Korman   Nov-12-07 07:41 PM   #95 
  - Consider all the people that rules out.  Donald Ian Rankin   Nov-13-07 12:39 PM   #114 
     - I guess so, but context matters. Since this is 2007, times have changed.  closeupready   Nov-13-07 01:01 PM   #115 
  - Oh puke  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Nov-12-07 02:17 PM   #3 
  - Votes - there are more bigots (yes, BIGOTS) than there are LGBT  Glorfindel   Nov-12-07 02:21 PM   #4 
  - Sad but true  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Nov-12-07 02:24 PM   #6 
  - obama needs to zip the lip  democratsin08   Nov-12-07 03:00 PM   #29 
  - I betcha there were "good and decent people"  riqster   Nov-12-07 02:22 PM   #5 
  - That's what I was thinking:  avrdream   Nov-12-07 02:27 PM   #9 
  - Get ready for Obama's revisionist history lesson  Tellurian   Nov-12-07 02:31 PM   #11 
  - His DU supporters are good at telling us he didn't say what he  jonnyblitz   Nov-12-07 02:52 PM   #23 
     - To delve into their mindset is delving into fucking insanity!  Tellurian   Nov-12-07 06:53 PM   #85 
  - Except nobody is talking about committing genocide against homosexuals in America.  ellisonz   Nov-14-07 10:56 PM   #124 
     - Perhaps you were not around or were not paying attention  DURHAM D   Nov-14-07 11:26 PM   #127 
     - I've seen Paragraph 175.  ellisonz   Nov-15-07 12:10 AM   #132 
     - Really? I wish that were true but its not... (links)  FreeState   Nov-14-07 11:27 PM   #128 
     - you think I'm stupid???  ellisonz   Nov-15-07 12:03 AM   #130 
        - No but your not being honest  FreeState   Nov-15-07 12:46 AM   #134 
           - I'm not being dishonest in any way...  ellisonz   Nov-15-07 12:55 AM   #137 
              - Your original post said no one is advocating it - now its not enough  FreeState   Nov-15-07 01:04 AM   #138 
                 - But it is reality...  ellisonz   Nov-15-07 01:11 AM   #141 
                    - No one compared them to "good Germans"  FreeState   Nov-15-07 01:16 AM   #143 
                    - A poster did downthread and that is the implication of the above post.  ellisonz   Nov-15-07 01:24 AM   #148 
                       - Where does that call Obama a Good German?  FreeState   Nov-15-07 01:30 AM   #150 
                          - This really does remind me of Dean and the Confederate flag flap..  ellisonz   Nov-15-07 01:39 AM   #151 
                          - It was a pleasure to put this crackpot on ignore. He's "sick of hearing about McClurkin"  Bluebear   Nov-15-07 02:00 AM   #153 
                             - Iraq, healthcare, jobs is what the polling says.  ellisonz   Nov-15-07 03:37 AM   #155 
                                - Backtrack much? Look, if you don't care about GBLT people, then say so...  Solon   Nov-15-07 03:45 AM   #157 
                                   - Holy shit, these people are insufferable.  Bluebear   Nov-15-07 04:01 AM   #159 
                                   - I try, there have been a few interruptions in the past 3 weeks or so though...  Solon   Nov-15-07 04:07 AM   #160 
                                   - I just take offense to the treatment of GLBT people in the US being compared to the Holocaust...  ellisonz   Nov-15-07 04:19 AM   #162 
                                      - The problem is that those people AREN'T good, decent, or moral, they are evil...  Solon   Nov-15-07 04:27 AM   #163 
                                         - You don't think the dichotomy of good and evil is a little simplistic in this case?  ellisonz   Nov-15-07 04:32 AM   #164 
                                            - If they are a bigot, they are evil...  Solon   Nov-15-07 04:39 AM   #166 
                                               - Good luck with that come general election time...  ellisonz   Nov-15-07 04:51 AM   #167 
                                               - What the fuck is your point? Most Americans opposed interracial marriages until 1990...  Solon   Nov-15-07 04:56 AM   #168 
                                               - My point is that you're calling evil a good portion of the country.  ellisonz   Nov-15-07 05:14 AM   #169 
                                               - They are either evil themselves, or, at the very least, cowards and/or opportunists.  Solon   Nov-15-07 05:22 AM   #170 
                                               - Yes.  ellisonz   Nov-15-07 05:43 AM   #172 
                                               - JFK was a coward on the issue, at least early in his administration...  Solon   Nov-15-07 05:50 AM   #173 
                                               - Just saying that reasonable people can disagree reasonably...  ellisonz   Nov-15-07 05:54 AM   #174 
                                               - This has nothing, NOTHING, to do with "ideological purity", it has to do with what is RIGHT!  Solon   Nov-15-07 06:13 AM   #175 
                    - "No major group or individual in America...." -- SHAME on you.  Bluebear   Nov-15-07 01:17 AM   #145 
                       - I think Phelps is an irrelevent jackass who just lost a major lawsuit.  ellisonz   Nov-15-07 01:20 AM   #147 
     - Be glad your Jewish relatives survived the holocaust for you to take such offense over.  Bluebear   Nov-14-07 11:42 PM   #129 
        - Nobody but a bunch of irrelevent wingnuts...  ellisonz   Nov-15-07 12:07 AM   #131 
           - I didn't look at the above post, I looked at yours. An AIDS clinic was shot at yesterday in Dallas  Bluebear   Nov-15-07 12:30 AM   #133 
              - Well then maybe you should since that was what I was responding too...  ellisonz   Nov-15-07 12:47 AM   #135 
                 - Of course there were people who didn't embrace Jews, gays, etc...  Bluebear   Nov-15-07 12:52 AM   #136 
                    - Because the implication is that Barack Obama and McClurckin are somehow similar to Nazi's...  ellisonz   Nov-15-07 01:08 AM   #139 
                       - So 20,000 dead homosexuals is not "as" tragic because the number isn't big enough?  Bluebear   Nov-15-07 01:13 AM   #142 
                          - Not what I said!  ellisonz   Nov-15-07 01:28 AM   #149 
                             - At last you show your true colors, Mr Obama apologist.  Bluebear   Nov-15-07 01:57 AM   #152 
                                - Umm...maybe the term describes both gay men and lesbian women?  ellisonz   Nov-15-07 03:36 AM   #154 
                                - Congratulations on being the first person on my ignore list of the campaign season...  ellisonz   Nov-15-07 03:47 AM   #158 
  - I doubt the way to deal with it is to shame them into submission  ellacott   Nov-12-07 02:26 PM   #7 
  - They've been shaming GLBTs into submission for centuries  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Nov-12-07 02:32 PM   #12 
  - That doesn't mean it's right  ellacott   Nov-12-07 02:39 PM   #14 
  - I wouldn't suggest shaming them into it  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Nov-12-07 02:57 PM   #27 
  - I agree with you n/t  ellacott   Nov-12-07 03:26 PM   #53 
  - I disagree, actually. Shame is a very effective deterrent to bigotry.  yardwork   Nov-12-07 03:15 PM   #46 
     - I don't agree n/t  ellacott   Nov-12-07 03:25 PM   #52 
  - If it was gonna work, it would have done so by now.  riqster   Nov-12-07 02:41 PM   #15 
     - You can't actually make a gay person straight  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Nov-12-07 02:55 PM   #26 
        - Basic nature is what I meant  riqster   Nov-12-07 06:24 PM   #83 
  - Actually, that is exactly the attitude Ghandi and MLK  incapsulated   Nov-12-07 06:55 PM   #86 
  - He's right. There is good and bad in all of us.  calteacherguy   Nov-12-07 02:26 PM   #8 
  - What topic are you responding to???  closeupready   Nov-12-07 02:31 PM   #10 
  - Never mind him  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Nov-12-07 02:35 PM   #13 
  - And you know what, as I sit and reflect upon what he's writing there,  closeupready   Nov-12-07 02:43 PM   #18 
  - I was frustrated when he began pandering to the evangelicals  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Nov-12-07 03:00 PM   #30 
  - What is it you disagree with about what Obama said? nt  calteacherguy   Nov-12-07 07:09 PM   #89 
     - That someone can be unprepared to share their community with a gay or lesbian brother or sister, and  closeupready   Nov-12-07 08:00 PM   #97 
        - Don't bother with him.  Bluebear   Nov-15-07 04:34 AM   #165 
  - He Used To Be For Hillary  DemocratSinceBirth   Nov-12-07 02:58 PM   #28 
     - LOL. nt  calteacherguy   Nov-12-07 07:10 PM   #90 
  - "do not yet embrace" is not = rejecting...  TAZller   Nov-12-07 03:09 PM   #39 
  - Exactly. Thank for your personal insight! nt  calteacherguy   Nov-12-07 07:11 PM   #91 
  - "embrace" is a red-herring... a weasel-word  Kurt_and_Hunter   Nov-14-07 09:25 PM   #121 
  - Don't bother. He has a random bromide generator he uses on any Obama thread.  Bluebear   Nov-12-07 03:37 PM   #60 
  - ebony and together in perfect harmony...side by side...  IndianaJones   Nov-12-07 03:03 PM   #35 
  - So what?  yardwork   Nov-12-07 03:16 PM   #47 
  - It's never a true McClurkin thread unless  Lirwin2   Nov-12-07 07:07 PM   #87 
     - I've never defended McClurkin. nt  calteacherguy   Nov-12-07 07:12 PM   #92 
        - Of course you are  Lirwin2   Nov-12-07 09:13 PM   #101 
        - Oh that's rich!  Bluebear   Nov-14-07 09:27 PM   #122 
           - Totally !  DURHAM D   Nov-14-07 11:09 PM   #125 
  - Kick and recommend for civil rights for ALL! Including the GLBT community. n/t  CyberPieHole   Nov-12-07 02:41 PM   #16 
  - At least he's trying to talk about it. The other candidates are silent  Truth Hurts A Lot   Nov-12-07 02:43 PM   #17 
  - He's green  riqster   Nov-12-07 02:45 PM   #20 
     - Obama is none of those things.  AtomicKitten   Nov-12-07 02:47 PM   #22 
        - I'd say he's all of them. Here's why:  riqster   Nov-12-07 02:53 PM   #24 
           - "Fundagelical" what a hoot!  sampsonblk   Nov-12-07 03:00 PM   #31 
           - Good points  riqster   Nov-12-07 07:08 PM   #88 
           - rebuttal  AtomicKitten   Nov-12-07 03:02 PM   #34 
              - No he didn't he repeatedly lied  dsc   Nov-12-07 03:07 PM   #36 
              - Obama sponsored the concert - period.  AtomicKitten   Nov-12-07 03:08 PM   #38 
                 - He appeared there by video  dsc   Nov-12-07 03:11 PM   #41 
                    - your remedy has always been not voting for him  AtomicKitten   Nov-12-07 03:11 PM   #42 
                       - don't worry I won't  dsc   Nov-12-07 03:13 PM   #43 
                          - Blog-chatter is often wrong and almost always inflammatory.  AtomicKitten   Nov-12-07 03:15 PM   #45 
                             - again I read the NYT  dsc   Nov-12-07 03:17 PM   #48 
                                - I've reviewed all the data I could get my hands on ... and we disagree.  AtomicKitten   Nov-12-07 03:29 PM   #55 
                                   - I didn't call names  dsc   Nov-12-07 03:32 PM   #56 
                                      - you called him liar in this thread  AtomicKitten   Nov-12-07 03:37 PM   #59 
                                         - I didn't call him a liar  dsc   Nov-12-07 03:41 PM   #63 
                                            - same difference ;)  AtomicKitten   Nov-12-07 03:48 PM   #67 
                                               - I knew it was a lie not because I was at the event  dsc   Nov-12-07 03:53 PM   #68 
                                               - So instead of being a liar, Obama is incompetent?  Solon   Nov-15-07 03:40 AM   #156 
              - Rebuttal of your rebuttal (minor point)  sampsonblk   Nov-12-07 03:17 PM   #49 
              - Truthfully, I don't begrudge any of the candidates going for the win.  AtomicKitten   Nov-12-07 03:32 PM   #57 
              - My response  riqster   Nov-12-07 07:18 PM   #94 
  - You're just a one trick pony, Bluebear. Nobody cares about this.  jonnyblitz   Nov-12-07 02:55 PM   #25 
  - :)  Bluebear   Nov-12-07 03:45 PM   #66 
  - I'll try to be fair here  dsc   Nov-12-07 03:01 PM   #32 
  - everybody thinks they're moral.  rucky   Nov-12-07 03:13 PM   #44 
  - I support Obama, but that was terribly tone deaf.  geek tragedy   Nov-12-07 03:02 PM   #33 
  - And I wholly respect and thank you for your reaction.  Bluebear   Nov-12-07 03:39 PM   #61 
  - He's right.  rucky   Nov-12-07 03:07 PM   #37 
  - That's beside the point. Nobody is advocating that we beat up homophobic bigots.  yardwork   Nov-12-07 03:19 PM   #50 
     - Let's give him a chance to get out of the box gracefully.  rucky   Nov-12-07 03:24 PM   #51 
        - If that is his intention, where are the actions to match?  yardwork   Nov-12-07 04:04 PM   #69 
           - well said  dsc   Nov-12-07 04:14 PM   #71 
           - ...and thank God and the Goddess for that, dsc! You are beautiful just the way God made you.  yardwork   Nov-12-07 04:25 PM   #73 
              - I know that now  dsc   Nov-12-07 04:34 PM   #75 
           - I hope he follows through.  rucky   Nov-12-07 04:34 PM   #76 
  - good, decent, moral bigots. welcome to America. nt.  IndianaJones   Nov-12-07 03:10 PM   #40 
  - As someone who is straight & pro-Obama, I find his rhetoric on this deplorable  mtnsnake   Nov-12-07 03:27 PM   #54 
  - Bravo, mtnsnake.  Bluebear   Nov-12-07 03:40 PM   #62 
  - Thank you very much for taking this principled stand!  yardwork   Nov-12-07 04:27 PM   #74 
  - Only Kucinich will deliver what you are berating Obama about.  AtomicKitten   Nov-12-07 04:44 PM   #77 
     - I don't need anyone telling me who I like or don't like  mtnsnake   Nov-12-07 04:52 PM   #78 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-12-07 05:02 PM   #79 
  - You catch more bees with honey than vinegar. He has a strong voting record on gay rights  jenmito   Nov-12-07 03:32 PM   #58 
  - Obama has also gone into black churches and admonished them  AtomicKitten   Nov-12-07 03:41 PM   #64 
     - Yup. He actually speaks the truth to those who NEED to hear it...  jenmito   Nov-12-07 03:44 PM   #65 
     - Do you have a link and a video or transcript of Obama admonishing a congregation about homophobia?  yardwork   Nov-12-07 04:08 PM   #70 
        - .......  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Nov-12-07 05:29 PM   #81 
        - He talked about homophobia in connection with AIDS testing at the Howard debate  BeyondGeography   Nov-12-07 08:43 PM   #100 
           - This is not the documentation I requested to support the assertions being made.  yardwork   Nov-13-07 10:10 AM   #113 
  - Oh goddammit Obama just STFU already  Chovexani   Nov-12-07 04:16 PM   #72 
  - I'm from New Jersey,  Beacool   Nov-12-07 05:25 PM   #80 
  - I cannot support anyone who acts as an apologist for hatred and bigotry  riqster   Nov-12-07 06:20 PM   #82 
  - I don't like the whole religio-politico thing Obama is working.  Josiah1982   Nov-12-07 07:15 PM   #93 
  - Josiah, welcome to DU!  Bluebear   Nov-12-07 08:16 PM   #98 
     - Hi Bluebear.  Josiah1982   Nov-13-07 03:52 PM   #119 
  - So, in essence, in his latest statement, HE ACTUALLY COMPLIMENTS THE BIGOTS  Harvey Korman   Nov-12-07 07:49 PM   #96 
  - Flattery  Kurt_and_Hunter   Nov-12-07 08:33 PM   #99 
  - Will ANY candidate say that those who oppose gay marriage  ripple   Nov-12-07 09:48 PM   #102 
  - DK's my guy  riqster   Nov-12-07 09:54 PM   #104 
  - *crickets*  ellisonz   Nov-15-07 01:16 AM   #144 
  - WTF is "good, decent" or "moral" about excluding anyone from "our shared community" on the  Seabiscuit   Nov-12-07 09:53 PM   #103 
  - WTF? Get a clue: "good, decent, moral people" are not bigots.  David Zephyr   Nov-12-07 10:41 PM   #105 
  - Here's one of Obama's "good, decent, moral" homophobes:  FredScuttle   Nov-12-07 10:44 PM   #106 
  - Can we all now agree that Obama welcomes bigots into his campaign  FredScuttle   Nov-12-07 10:47 PM   #107 
  - but how can you change them without welcoming them  sniffa   Nov-13-07 06:38 AM   #109 
  - And you have a Howard Dean avatar!  ellisonz   Nov-14-07 11:20 PM   #126 
     - I didn't disagree with Howard and you're making a painfully weak and inaccurate comparison  FredScuttle   Nov-15-07 04:05 PM   #178 
  - Sorry, Obama  mvd   Nov-12-07 10:52 PM   #108 
  - Well said  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Nov-13-07 08:32 AM   #112 
  - Edwards Is a Good Example of Such a Decent Person  DrFunkenstein   Nov-13-07 07:03 AM   #110 
  - Oy  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Nov-13-07 01:22 PM   #116 
  - Except for Obama was apparently talking about himself  FreeState   Nov-13-07 04:47 PM   #120 
  - Hay obama, I got something you can embrace.  William769   Nov-13-07 01:30 PM   #117 
  - Good, decent, moral bigots! Obama...I've lost alot of respect for you.  Beausoir   Nov-13-07 01:57 PM   #118 
  - I don't think Obama is gay!  Lautremont   Nov-15-07 01:10 AM   #140 
  - Oh please do us a favor and read the post.  Bluebear   Nov-15-07 01:18 AM   #146 
  - There is nothing "good", "decent" or "moral" about being a bigot.  Solon   Nov-15-07 04:11 AM   #161 
  - Doesn't ex-gay mean ex gay boyfriend?  lamprey   Nov-15-07 05:34 AM   #171 
     - Come again?  Bluebear   Nov-15-07 02:36 PM   #176 
     - No, it means someone really believes there blue eyes are brown N/T  FreeState   Nov-15-07 03:57 PM   #177 

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