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Fri Nov-09-07 01:37 PM
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| 22. Obama is clumsy not evil |
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Look. How many of these DU posters ever been to a black gospel church service? They are absolutely wonderful in their stunning spectacle and sheer enthusiasm (And I'm not even Christian). However, there is a large segment of the religious, church going black folk, that are profoundly morally conservative. Especially when it comes to Gay issues. They can't bring themselves to vote republican, but they sure aren't going to hell to vote for some morally bankrupt liberal.
Hillary is doing very well among black voters and Obama saw a way to distinguish himself and perhaps cut into her constituency that he views as his. He wanted the conservative, gospel singing black vote. His mistake was not controlling the stage and vetting his supporters.I think the results were predictable and that Hillary has outmaneuvered him by capitalizing on his novice blunders. There will be more blunders--because he is a clumsy optimist who underestimates his opponents.
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| -The "Obama is reaching out" and "expanding the big tent" memes are BS |
cuke |
Nov-09-07 12:27 PM |
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Yes that's exactly what it was about. |
SteppingRazor |
Nov-09-07 12:28 PM |
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Yes, but |
cuke |
Nov-09-07 12:33 PM |
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I completely see what you're saying. |
SteppingRazor |
Nov-09-07 12:35 PM |
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heh |
cuke |
Nov-09-07 12:53 PM |
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No, it was about $$$$ |
MethuenProgressive |
Nov-09-07 03:06 PM |
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Oh, a McClurkin post, how soon-to-be quaint these are |
BeyondGeography |
Nov-09-07 12:40 PM |
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Actually, not at all about the McClurkin. It's about Obama |
cuke |
Nov-09-07 12:54 PM |
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Of course, to be fair, McClurkipalooza will be swiftly followed by Tipgate-o-rama. |
SteppingRazor |
Nov-09-07 12:54 PM |
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That's fair, count me out on tipgate |
BeyondGeography |
Nov-09-07 01:12 PM |
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But...but...Bill's former Treasury Secretary endorsed Hillary... |
jefferson_dem |
Nov-09-07 01:27 PM |
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Great post! |
jefferson_dem |
Nov-09-07 01:25 PM |
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Well, he has purchased unusually large quantities of barbed wire for their internment |
BeyondGeography |
Nov-09-07 01:29 PM |
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Keep putting up those straw men |
cuke |
Nov-09-07 01:32 PM |
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LOL! |
HuckleB |
Nov-09-07 03:15 PM |
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Apparently, the only place there aren't fairies is in your fantasyland |
PurityOfEssence |
Nov-09-07 04:37 PM |
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I rarely agree with you, but that was spot on |
cuke |
Nov-09-07 04:40 PM |
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Identity politics and single issue people are what is extremely stupid |
BeyondGeography |
Nov-09-07 04:43 PM |
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Very few things happen from one cause |
PurityOfEssence |
Nov-09-07 06:10 PM |
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And getting people to vote for a Dem who believes in OPEN GOVERNMENT |
blm |
Nov-09-07 01:10 PM |
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You left out the part about appealing to homophobes by giving one a mic |
cuke |
Nov-09-07 01:11 PM |
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I was replying to your concern about expansion and shrinkage of the party. |
blm |
Nov-09-07 01:17 PM |
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So that's what you think my OP was about? |
cuke |
Nov-09-07 01:23 PM |
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You mean you were FEIGNING concern for Dem party to take a shot at Obama? |
blm |
Nov-09-07 01:28 PM |
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No, I was pointing to the misleading rationalization BO and his supporters are using |
cuke |
Nov-09-07 01:33 PM |
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I don't like the meme used by his campaign, nor do I like the ACTUAL |
blm |
Nov-09-07 01:36 PM |
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I agree, but that's a different issue |
cuke |
Nov-09-07 01:45 PM |
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I don't see any "feigned concern" |
incapsulated |
Nov-09-07 01:34 PM |
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Thank you |
cuke |
Nov-09-07 01:45 PM |
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Of course its BS. The tent isn't getting bigger, its the numbers INSIDE that are shrinking. |
wlucinda |
Nov-09-07 01:24 PM |
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Obama is clumsy not evil |
hawkowl88 |
Nov-09-07 01:37 PM |
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I think the performers were very much vetted |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Nov-09-07 01:44 PM |
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It is if they're gospel performers n/t |
ellacott |
Nov-09-07 01:47 PM |
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So you're suggesting that all gospel performers are homophobes? |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Nov-09-07 02:09 PM |
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Where did I say all? You've got to stop with that |
ellacott |
Nov-09-07 02:13 PM |
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So what exactly did you mean then? |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Nov-09-07 02:31 PM |
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I said what I meant |
ellacott |
Nov-09-07 02:46 PM |
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Maybe because when I went to church and listened to religious music |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Nov-09-07 02:59 PM |
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I grew up in the Black Gospel environment |
ellacott |
Nov-09-07 03:03 PM |
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"The majority didn't agree with it" |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Nov-09-07 03:17 PM |
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The majority, not ALL |
cuke |
Nov-09-07 03:21 PM |
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That's what I meant |
ellacott |
Nov-09-07 03:26 PM |
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Forgiveness? |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Nov-09-07 03:32 PM |
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I was referring to homophobes |
cuke |
Nov-09-07 03:41 PM |
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I apologize if my rant seemed aimed at you |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Nov-09-07 04:26 PM |
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No problem |
cuke |
Nov-09-07 04:28 PM |
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Explaining and defending are very different n/t |
ellacott |
Nov-09-07 03:48 PM |
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How do you know that? |
ellacott |
Nov-09-07 03:23 PM |
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Obviously there is a different standard |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Nov-09-07 03:34 PM |
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And to many non LGBT |
ellacott |
Nov-09-07 03:42 PM |
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I understand your point |
cuke |
Nov-09-07 03:44 PM |
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I'm sorry to hear about that |
ellacott |
Nov-09-07 03:51 PM |
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One of my friends had his jaw broken, amongst other things |
cuke |
Nov-09-07 03:56 PM |
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That is awful |
ellacott |
Nov-09-07 04:01 PM |
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That is bullshit |
Chovexani |
Nov-09-07 04:32 PM |
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That's what I said |
ellacott |
Nov-10-07 07:59 AM |
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Excellent post |
cuke |
Nov-09-07 01:50 PM |
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I agree with your assessment n/t |
ellacott |
Nov-09-07 01:51 PM |
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Racist OP. nt |
calteacherguy |
Nov-09-07 06:03 PM |
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Care to back that up? |
cuke |
Nov-09-07 06:12 PM |
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So, if you're not "for the black guy" you're a racist now according to "calteacherguy"? |
MethuenProgressive |
Nov-10-07 08:45 AM |
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No, it's even more ridiculous than that |
cuke |
Nov-10-07 10:27 AM |
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He'll be starting more anti-everybodywhoisn'tlikeme threads before he gets back to this one |
MethuenProgressive |
Nov-10-07 12:12 PM |
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Hasn't this been covered over and over and over and over? |
ProSense |
Nov-10-07 12:14 PM |
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