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Response to Reply #186
187. Don't worry about the "Some"
most will come around - a few won't. However I think that the aversion that gets hit - has to do with a feeling of helpless/hopelessness (ala it doesn't matter anyhow)... and if the conversation were channeled into short/longterm and were to start discussion actions - I think some of those currently expressing aversion (with whom you and others are right now sort of at standoff/talking past each other position) - might reengage in this discussion. Trying to find the way past the loggerjam... that is most productive in the short and longterm.
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  -If you can't see this then your values and mine have nothing in common nothingshocksmeanymore  Feb-20-04 03:21 PM   #0 
  - RIGHT ON!!!  AngryYoungMan   Feb-20-04 03:23 PM   #1 
  - And Im rapidly losing patience with those that want assimilation.  CivilRightsNow   Feb-20-04 03:56 PM   #23 
     - Heaven's forbid you read the supportive documentation in my post  nothingshocksmeanymore   Feb-20-04 04:13 PM   #28 
     - Did I respond to your post?  CivilRightsNow   Feb-20-04 04:41 PM   #47 
        - If you had read my supportive documentation, you would have seen how  nothingshocksmeanymore   Feb-20-04 04:49 PM   #56 
        - Whatever floats your boat...  CivilRightsNow   Feb-20-04 05:52 PM   #93 
           - My final effort:  nothingshocksmeanymore   Feb-20-04 06:25 PM   #101 
           - Ill try one last time with caps and stuff for emphasis  CivilRightsNow   Feb-20-04 06:50 PM   #106 
              - Wow you're pissed!  nothingshocksmeanymore   Feb-20-04 06:57 PM   #109 
           - Then why do you keep replying? nt  blondeatlast   Feb-21-04 12:23 AM   #147 
        - "you and I have different solutions." - you haven't offered any solutions  Feanorcurufinwe   Feb-20-04 05:26 PM   #87 
           - *Insert fake golf clap here*  CivilRightsNow   Feb-20-04 06:02 PM   #94 
              - In other words, you offer no solutions, no ideas, no hope for the future.  Feanorcurufinwe   Feb-20-04 06:23 PM   #98 
                 - Sure....Ive spent 607 posts doing nothing..  CivilRightsNow   Feb-20-04 06:52 PM   #107 
                    - DU is a pretty big place -- how do we know what  DemBones DemBones   Feb-20-04 07:05 PM   #111 
                    - If you think your ideas aren't worth repeating, that's your choice.  Feanorcurufinwe   Feb-20-04 07:16 PM   #113 
                    - If you want your username to mean something, you MUST think about SCOTUS.  blondeatlast   Feb-21-04 12:18 AM   #146 
     - So what do you suggest?  magnolia   Feb-20-04 05:09 PM   #76 
     - wow.. the.. point... is... slippery... eh?  CivilRightsNow   Feb-20-04 06:16 PM   #96 
     - So write in your own name on the ballot.  library_max   Feb-20-04 05:10 PM   #79 
        - How bout I write your name on the ballot?  CivilRightsNow   Feb-20-04 06:20 PM   #97 
           - "a different way of doing things cause the current way isnt working?"  Feanorcurufinwe   Feb-20-04 06:24 PM   #100 
           - Sure.  library_max   Feb-20-04 06:49 PM   #105 
              - Fabulous..  CivilRightsNow   Feb-20-04 06:56 PM   #108 
                 - Principle's the same.  library_max   Feb-20-04 07:05 PM   #110 
                 - I've now read your every post on this thread and you have ranted  nothingshocksmeanymore   Feb-20-04 09:31 PM   #127 
                    - First election syndrome has been rife in here lately  HuskerDem   Feb-20-04 10:57 PM   #140 
                       - So true. I've tried to be patient and forgiving, but no more.  blondeatlast   Feb-21-04 12:27 AM   #148 
                       - Thanks to all you Baby boomer enablers  CivilRightsNow   Feb-23-04 09:29 AM   #176 
                          - Boy...I read that whole post...every word...and HOPE isn't  nothingshocksmeanymore   Feb-24-04 01:33 AM   #177 
                             - Indeed, Ma'am  The Magistrate   Feb-24-04 08:07 PM   #194 
  - This is why I think Delay is even more dangerous than Bush...  Richardo   Feb-20-04 03:25 PM   #2 
  - Amen Teena  indigo32   Feb-20-04 03:27 PM   #3 
  - Please everybody..read the supportive documentation  nothingshocksmeanymore   Feb-20-04 03:28 PM   #4 
  - yup  jonnyblitz   Feb-20-04 03:28 PM   #5 
  - You are, of course, exactly right  Dookus   Feb-20-04 03:30 PM   #6 
  - You misunderstand the purpose of voting third party  ShimokitaJer   Feb-20-04 03:45 PM   #17 
     - I'm not naive...  Dookus   Feb-20-04 03:49 PM   #18 
     - Once again, you misunderstand the point  ShimokitaJer   Feb-20-04 03:55 PM   #22 
     - We are addressing the issue of Federal court and SCOTUS  blondeatlast   Feb-20-04 04:54 PM   #62 
     - The Third Parties  iamjoy   Feb-20-04 05:01 PM   #72 
     - Throwing your vote away will not produce progressive change.  library_max   Feb-20-04 05:14 PM   #82 
     - in spite of your insistence, voting 3rd party is not 'throwing ones  zoeyfong   Feb-20-04 08:01 PM   #120 
        - You've got it exactly backwards.  library_max   Feb-24-04 12:01 PM   #179 
           - So if dems lose the middle once, will they give up trying to get it?  zoeyfong   Feb-25-04 03:45 AM   #195 
              - This is 100% wishful thinking.  library_max   Feb-25-04 11:53 AM   #197 
              - Of course the middle is threatening to vote "3rd party, " if the left and  zoeyfong   Feb-25-04 03:46 PM   #205 
                 - Still magical thinking  library_max   Feb-25-04 08:07 PM   #207 
                    - Well, gee, why don't we just give up and love big brother already?  zoeyfong   Feb-27-04 08:58 PM   #213 
                       - Possibly we could approach this on a less personal note.  library_max   Mar-01-04 01:22 PM   #220 
              - Where did you ever get that idea? That is absolutely false that  MurikanDemocrat   Feb-25-04 12:22 PM   #200 
                 - If the margins don't matter, then who cares about Nader?  zoeyfong   Feb-25-04 03:24 PM   #204 
                    - You're right. Who cares about Nader. He's insignificant.  MurikanDemocrat   Feb-25-04 11:28 PM   #212 
                       - Uh, never said votes in the middle don't count.  zoeyfong   Feb-27-04 09:23 PM   #214 
     - Why give time to researching and soul searching  DemBones DemBones   Feb-20-04 06:48 PM   #104 
     - Except that a vote for a Democratic president  nothingshocksmeanymore   Feb-20-04 09:34 PM   #128 
        - THAT is an excellent point  ShimokitaJer   Feb-20-04 10:33 PM   #135 
           - But if you are sending up progressive members to congress  nothingshocksmeanymore   Feb-20-04 10:42 PM   #138 
              - We may earn the "right" to push our agenda  ShimokitaJer   Feb-21-04 09:39 AM   #162 
                 - Sorry but I must object to blanket statement as they lead to innacurate  nothingshocksmeanymore   Feb-21-04 10:28 AM   #165 
  - The courts are the OVERRIDING issue with me  Rowdyboy   Feb-20-04 03:33 PM   #7 
  - Indeed, and the youngsters just don't get that.  blondeatlast   Feb-20-04 04:53 PM   #60 
  - Actually, the court issue is the only one that holds any water  zoeyfong   Feb-20-04 08:09 PM   #121 
  - You should be TERRIFIED....WHY is no one taking my post seriously?  serryjw   Feb-28-04 12:15 AM   #216 
     - This is to them, more important than who wins the WH this year!  jansu   Mar-01-04 03:04 PM   #222 
  - Agreed.  Brucey   Feb-20-04 03:33 PM   #8 
  - Stop taking the bait, NMSA  rucky   Feb-20-04 03:34 PM   #9 
  - Progressives do far better with a court sympathetic to them  nothingshocksmeanymore   Feb-20-04 04:21 PM   #30 
  - so are ya going to educate or pull rank?  rucky   Feb-20-04 04:36 PM   #39 
     - Pull rank? Educate? Did you read my links?  nothingshocksmeanymore   Feb-20-04 04:38 PM   #44 
        - While I agree with you about the courts  indigo32   Feb-20-04 04:44 PM   #52 
        - I am simply trying to point out to Rucky how the courts play a role in  nothingshocksmeanymore   Feb-20-04 04:52 PM   #58 
        - I read your links  rucky   Feb-20-04 04:52 PM   #59 
           - Because my point was that this very reason confirms why ABB is not  nothingshocksmeanymore   Feb-20-04 04:59 PM   #70 
  - It isn't possible for the party or the candidate  library_max   Feb-20-04 05:22 PM   #85 
     - Thank god! A lucid thread.  littlejoe   Feb-20-04 05:25 PM   #86 
     - You can tell because it's so popular.  library_max   Feb-20-04 06:15 PM   #95 
     - Why will 'our guys' move left, if moving right WINS?  zoeyfong   Feb-20-04 08:21 PM   #122 
     - No, you'd rather help get Bush elected.  library_max   Feb-22-04 05:46 PM   #174 
        - Whatever, and Jesus christ, the New Deal was what, 60 years ago?  zoeyfong   Feb-25-04 03:56 AM   #196 
           - An article in the LA Times today pointed out something interesting  nothingshocksmeanymore   Feb-25-04 12:02 PM   #198 
           - Gee, I thought you were one of those long-term thinkers.  library_max   Feb-25-04 12:18 PM   #199 
              - You might as well claim that repugs are the party of Lincoln.  zoeyfong   Feb-25-04 04:08 PM   #206 
                 - I think maybe I finally understand what the problem is here.  library_max   Feb-25-04 08:19 PM   #209 
                    - Of course the're both fighting for the middle!!!!; that doesn't mean they  zoeyfong   Feb-27-04 10:04 PM   #215 
                       - With respect, I think you missed my point.  library_max   Mar-01-04 03:10 PM   #223 
     - 1) What's logic have to do with it?  rucky   Feb-21-04 12:28 AM   #149 
  - Thank goodness  charlie   Feb-20-04 03:34 PM   #10 
  - She has indicated that she won't retire as long as GWB is in office.  blondeatlast   Feb-20-04 04:56 PM   #65 
     - If this is true, why doesn't she issue a public apology  BL_Zebub   Feb-20-04 05:29 PM   #89 
        - She realizes she made a terrible mistake. Admitting it  blondeatlast   Feb-21-04 12:29 AM   #150 
  - By the numbers  HFishbine   Feb-20-04 03:34 PM   #11 
  - How many Pickerings can dance on the head of a pin?  gottaB   Feb-20-04 03:49 PM   #19 
  - Read my supportive documentation. The answer in in the study at the bottom  nothingshocksmeanymore   Feb-20-04 04:22 PM   #31 
     - That's sweet  HFishbine   Feb-20-04 04:57 PM   #67 
        - 4 that are the last line of defense before it gets to the USSC  nothingshocksmeanymore   Feb-20-04 05:02 PM   #73 
  - It is not so much that the republicans want the courts as  littlejoe   Feb-20-04 03:36 PM   #12 
  - Yada yada yada.  denverbill   Feb-20-04 03:36 PM   #13 
  - Do you believe a Democratic president  Dookus   Feb-20-04 03:37 PM   #14 
  - No. That's not the issue.  ShimokitaJer   Feb-20-04 03:51 PM   #21 
  - I think we are demanding BOTH. I sure as hell am.  blondeatlast   Feb-20-04 04:59 PM   #68 
  - Not if you are ABB, you aren't  ShimokitaJer   Feb-20-04 10:37 PM   #137 
     - These are dangerous times, my friend. DANGEROUS.  blondeatlast   Feb-21-04 12:13 AM   #145 
        - Still voting out of fear?  ShimokitaJer   Feb-21-04 10:17 AM   #164 
           - OHFERCRYINOUTLOUD.  blondeatlast   Feb-21-04 02:12 PM   #168 
  - How do you figure?  library_max   Feb-20-04 05:28 PM   #88 
     - I think you replied to the wrong post--I'm with you.  blondeatlast   Feb-21-04 12:08 AM   #144 
        - Thanks for the support.  library_max   Feb-24-04 03:32 PM   #188 
  - No, NSMA said this.  denverbill   Feb-20-04 04:02 PM   #25 
  - From your own article, he was defending the BLOCKS from claims of  nothingshocksmeanymore   Feb-20-04 04:47 PM   #54 
     - I read the article.  denverbill   Feb-20-04 05:09 PM   #78 
        - And justifying the blocks of their 4 most dangerous choices which are  nothingshocksmeanymore   Feb-20-04 05:13 PM   #81 
           - OK, I give up.  denverbill   Feb-20-04 05:31 PM   #90 
              - This is much more complicated than you seem to realize . . .  Edwards4President   Feb-20-04 07:50 PM   #117 
  - Agreed.  chiburb   Feb-20-04 03:41 PM   #15 
  - our values ARE alike  ZombyWoof   Feb-20-04 03:42 PM   #16 
  - I agree to an extent, Teena  lastliberalintexas   Feb-20-04 03:49 PM   #20 
  - Look at it in context...to do otherwise is to pretend there wasn't a HUGE  nothingshocksmeanymore   Feb-20-04 04:26 PM   #32 
     - Yes, but the fight means nothing  lastliberalintexas   Feb-20-04 04:37 PM   #40 
        - Pickering and Pryor were not confirmed, they were recess appointments  nothingshocksmeanymore   Feb-20-04 04:41 PM   #48 
           - I disagree- Thomas was not qualified  lastliberalintexas   Feb-20-04 04:53 PM   #61 
              - I'll go back and look that one up in the interest of accuracy  nothingshocksmeanymore   Feb-20-04 04:57 PM   #66 
              - Coming back to this point:  nothingshocksmeanymore   Feb-21-04 10:54 AM   #167 
  - The court matters, of course.  edzontar   Feb-20-04 03:58 PM   #24 
  - As should be obvious to anyone who has been on this board  Lydia Leftcoast   Feb-20-04 04:03 PM   #26 
  - I accuse those who don't agree with you of narcissism or immaturity  PurityOfEssence   Feb-20-04 04:10 PM   #27 
  - I Hope You Feel Better Now That's You've "Said It"  David Zephyr   Feb-20-04 04:20 PM   #29 
     - Right. Whatever happened to trying to ATTRACT and EARN votes?  edzontar   Feb-20-04 04:28 PM   #33 
     - I find it ironic  lastliberalintexas   Feb-20-04 04:28 PM   #34 
     - I find it ironic that progressives don't recognize HOW many of their  nothingshocksmeanymore   Feb-20-04 04:37 PM   #42 
        - I know that already  lastliberalintexas   Feb-20-04 04:47 PM   #55 
        - Read Lahy's statements above posted by DenverBill which were intended  nothingshocksmeanymore   Feb-20-04 04:56 PM   #63 
        - I Think They Do Recognize It.  David Zephyr   Feb-20-04 04:59 PM   #69 
        - Please David...I appreciate you but in your emoting and threatening  nothingshocksmeanymore   Feb-20-04 05:07 PM   #75 
        - SO TRUE--"lost in the courts."  blondeatlast   Feb-20-04 05:20 PM   #84 
     - I personally am ABB but I agree with your post 100 %  jonnyblitz   Feb-20-04 04:33 PM   #38 
     - They Are Being Told to Get Out.  David Zephyr   Feb-20-04 04:43 PM   #49 
        - No they are being asked to think about the fucking consequences of  nothingshocksmeanymore   Feb-20-04 05:09 PM   #77 
     - That includes me  PurityOfEssence   Feb-20-04 05:06 PM   #74 
  - You're Right (Reich) On  LoneStarLiberal   Feb-20-04 04:29 PM   #35 
  - If I get started,  Vote_Clark_In_WI   Feb-20-04 04:31 PM   #36 
  - ABB is ok with me as long as ABB supports Gay Marriage  HowdyDUit   Feb-20-04 04:32 PM   #37 
  - so if the clear choice is  Vote_Clark_In_WI   Feb-20-04 04:37 PM   #41 
  - Screw civil unions  HowdyDUit   Feb-20-04 04:45 PM   #53 
  - You can get a law passed or you can have a court stacked with judges  nothingshocksmeanymore   Feb-20-04 04:44 PM   #51 
  - Can I get an AAAAAAAAAAMMMMMEEEEEEEEENNNNNN!  blondeatlast   Feb-20-04 04:38 PM   #43 
  - Again...  jchild   Feb-20-04 04:40 PM   #45 
  - exactly  mmonk   Feb-20-04 04:40 PM   #46 
  - Oh my gawd.. people are here are actually using their brains!  tedoll78   Feb-20-04 04:43 PM   #50 
  - The judiciary is the only reason I will vote for the ham sandwich  Walt Starr   Feb-20-04 04:50 PM   #57 
  - It's the predicament we all face, Walt.  blondeatlast   Feb-20-04 05:01 PM   #71 
  - Would you like it with mustard? Cheese? Rye or sourdough?  nothingshocksmeanymore   Feb-20-04 05:11 PM   #80 
  - Let's see now......When was the last time a third party  littlejoe   Feb-20-04 05:33 PM   #91 
     - Hmmmm, looking bback, it was 1992  Walt Starr   Feb-20-04 06:45 PM   #103 
     - The Republican Party was not originally a third party.  library_max   Feb-20-04 07:14 PM   #112 
        - We'll see  Walt Starr   Feb-20-04 07:17 PM   #114 
           - That's surprising and disappointing.  library_max   Feb-20-04 07:24 PM   #116 
              - Yup, he still would not get my vote  Walt Starr   Feb-20-04 07:53 PM   #118 
                 - Then it always has been fucked.  library_max   Feb-22-04 05:51 PM   #175 
     - Let's see now -- rather than seek to improve a tenuous coaliton...  IrateCitizen   Feb-24-04 03:37 PM   #190 
  - RIGHT ON  absyntheNsugar   Feb-20-04 04:56 PM   #64 
  - Clinton's Breyer is Law and Economics  joyautumn   Feb-20-04 05:18 PM   #83 
  - The Democratic Party actually created an org to counter the L and E  nothingshocksmeanymore   Feb-20-04 06:29 PM   #102 
  - Absolutely correct!  curse10   Feb-20-04 05:38 PM   #92 
  - "It's as plain as day, ABB all the way.  oasis   Feb-20-04 06:24 PM   #99 
  - It's really not that bad...  Kimber Scott   Feb-20-04 07:18 PM   #115 
  - As much as I'd like to write in Dennis Kucinich's name in November  DemBones DemBones   Feb-20-04 07:58 PM   #119 
  - I don't need convincing, and I see good candidates without the ABB mantra  MurikanDemocrat   Feb-20-04 09:00 PM   #123 
  - thanks  nothingshocksmeanymore   Feb-20-04 09:01 PM   #124 
  - Thank you for the post!  Democat   Feb-20-04 09:05 PM   #125 
  - 4 more Bush years will be worse than the last 4. ABB.  oasis   Feb-20-04 09:18 PM   #126 
  - Even though it got tense this was my first enjoyable conversation  nothingshocksmeanymore   Feb-20-04 09:47 PM   #129 
  - It's always about the courts  unfrigginreal   Feb-20-04 09:59 PM   #130 
  - I think she just did  MurikanDemocrat   Feb-20-04 10:03 PM   #131 
  - Yes it's always the courts..for the most part,..always has been  nothingshocksmeanymore   Feb-20-04 10:03 PM   #132 
  - Didn't Ralph Nader take the lead on this issue?  Exgeneral   Feb-20-04 10:05 PM   #133 
  - Ralph Nader? Lead? LOL  Feanorcurufinwe   Feb-20-04 10:17 PM   #134 
  - No not really  nothingshocksmeanymore   Feb-20-04 11:09 PM   #141 
  - Let's have some pithy debate while you are here.  blondeatlast   Feb-21-04 12:31 AM   #151 
  - Advice and consent  quaker bill   Feb-20-04 10:33 PM   #136 
  - OK and they all come from states who define principled differently  nothingshocksmeanymore   Feb-20-04 10:44 PM   #139 
  - NSMA, I agree that the courts are top in importance BUT THE DEMS HAVE  Mairead   Feb-20-04 11:38 PM   #142 
  - I recall how proud the senate was in affirming all those bush appointies  Paulie   Feb-20-04 11:40 PM   #143 
  - Sorry my friend..while I may agree that that would be nice,  nothingshocksmeanymore   Feb-21-04 12:35 AM   #152 
     - Again, Teena, beautifully said.  blondeatlast   Feb-21-04 12:42 AM   #153 
        - There are some first election people  nothingshocksmeanymore   Feb-21-04 12:47 AM   #154 
           - And it will keep on happening for the next 30 years,  blondeatlast   Feb-21-04 12:52 AM   #155 
           - Sorry no Elephants allowed here  nothingshocksmeanymore   Feb-21-04 12:53 AM   #156 
              - Heh, heh. I KNEW you could get that smelly thing outta here!!!  blondeatlast   Feb-21-04 12:59 AM   #157 
                 - Trying real hard  nothingshocksmeanymore   Feb-21-04 02:31 AM   #158 
           - I'm not one of them, however  Mairead   Feb-21-04 10:14 AM   #163 
              - hey I am voting for Kucinich in the California primary  nothingshocksmeanymore   Feb-21-04 05:00 PM   #170 
                 - Well, ya can't say fairer than that, so: thanks!  Mairead   Feb-22-04 07:32 AM   #172 
                    - I think it is tough to mount a fight that is coming at you from every  nothingshocksmeanymore   Feb-22-04 03:48 PM   #173 
  - Impressive effort  BruinAlum   Feb-21-04 05:18 AM   #159 
  - Thank you, nothingshocksmeanymore --  DeepModem Mom   Feb-21-04 05:26 AM   #160 
  - need reinforcements back on page one!  MurikanDemocrat   Feb-21-04 09:01 AM   #161 
  - If you like the ass kickin' your gettin' now vote your "heart"...  Frank_Person   Feb-21-04 10:45 AM   #166 
  - I'm willing to concede there's some emoting going on that will pass  nothingshocksmeanymore   Feb-21-04 03:15 PM   #169 
  - kick  nothingshocksmeanymore   Feb-21-04 07:03 PM   #171 
  - You. . .are. . . so. . . close. . .nsma,  MadHound   Feb-24-04 05:37 AM   #178 
  - First of all corporate PERSONHOOD also gives you the RIGHT TO SUE  nothingshocksmeanymore   Feb-24-04 12:08 PM   #180 
     - Still close, but alas, no cigar  MadHound   Feb-24-04 03:54 PM   #192 
        - What are you talking about? The decision granting corporate  nothingshocksmeanymore   Feb-24-04 07:39 PM   #193 
           - I'm waiting!  nothingshocksmeanymore   Feb-25-04 01:40 PM   #201 
  - Clearly the two parties are not the same - well done and documented  salin   Feb-24-04 02:06 PM   #181 
  - I think Tom Hayden addresses your last paragraph well  nothingshocksmeanymore   Feb-24-04 02:50 PM   #182 
     - I agree with that... and perhaps... if we are going to win  salin   Feb-24-04 03:11 PM   #183 
        - No argument from me. My point is to avoid shooting ourselves in the foot  nothingshocksmeanymore   Feb-24-04 03:26 PM   #186 
           - Don't worry about the "Some"  salin   Feb-24-04 03:31 PM   #187 
              - That's fine as long as they can understand the hopelessness  nothingshocksmeanymore   Feb-24-04 03:35 PM   #189 
                 - Indeed  salin   Feb-24-04 03:52 PM   #191 
  - And this is covered in Brock's book ....  LawStudentMom   Feb-24-04 03:15 PM   #184 
  - great post NSMA  bhunt70   Feb-24-04 03:22 PM   #185 
  - Bravo ! Bravo!  saracat   Feb-25-04 02:12 PM   #202 
  - Thankyou  nothingshocksmeanymore   Feb-25-04 02:17 PM   #203 
  - well...you convinced me  jonnyblitz   Feb-25-04 08:13 PM   #208 
  - Thanks Johnny and one final point  nothingshocksmeanymore   Feb-25-04 08:22 PM   #210 
     - yup.  jonnyblitz   Feb-25-04 09:09 PM   #211 
  - Fortunately, the Olin fund is winding down  tameszu   Feb-28-04 01:22 AM   #217 
  - Ok  frustrated_lefty   Feb-28-04 01:27 AM   #218 
  - You're wrong  nothingshocksmeanymore   Feb-28-04 03:29 AM   #219 
  - The sign posts along the road are indicating a sharp turn ahead  nolabels   Mar-01-04 01:40 PM   #221 
 

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