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mikehiggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 10:56 AM
Response to Reply #34
37. Don't count on the superdelegates
I know this isn't in my own guy's best interest but I'm telling you Dean supporters that if Dean doesn't have the nomination sewed up with convention votes pledged to him by primary vote he isn't likely to leave the convention as the Democratic nominee.

Its a lot like the process by which you put somebody on a ballot in the first place. Usually you have to have a set number of citizens sign your petition. So if you need 10,000 signatures you get 10,000 and you're fine, right? You know that's wrong. If you need 10,000 you'd better have 15,000. 20,000 would be even better. One bad signature--and any number of things can make a signature "bad" including whether or not the judge deciding it had a good night with his girlfriend the night before--can kill a whole page of signatures.

When Perot ran in NYS his campaign provided a separate petition for each and every signature. That way if the signature was "bad" only that signature was knocked out, not the other 19 on the same page.

So you may have an overwhelming number of superdelegate commitments in your pocket when you get to the convention. Then some of them turn out to be "bad". If your guy has P.O.d Bill Clinton enough, then maybe all of them will. If the DNC decides among themselves that your guy is going to kill any chance of winning in November, ditto.

You can figure that you aren't going to get one more vote than you walk in with, even if you've got a signed document written in blood. That's politics in the real world. They people who turn on you won't even be embarrassed by breaking their word. They've all done just that dozens of times before in their careers, and they know they'll be called upon dozens of more times before they quit.

So, don't tell me about superdelegates, brother. I've been sold out by the best of them.

A politician's promise is worth the air its written on.
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  -Iowa's Tom Harkin to endorse Dean BJ  Dec-29-03 07:55 AM   #0 
  - Two of my favorite Democrats Al Gore and Tom Harkin  Cheswick   Dec-29-03 07:57 AM   #1 
  - I'm sure Harkin/Dean have picked the right time to fire another projectile  polpilot   Dec-29-03 08:47 AM   #23 
  - I've been expecting it.  Padraig18   Dec-29-03 07:58 AM   #2 
  - Yes!  CWebster   Dec-29-03 07:58 AM   #3 
  - and when he does, expect the bashers to turn on him  RetroLounge   Dec-29-03 08:01 AM   #4 
  - The attacks make us stronger.  Padraig18   Dec-29-03 08:03 AM   #5 
     - Tunnel Vision?  RetroLounge   Dec-29-03 12:59 PM   #45 
        - "Missing the forest for the trees"  Padraig18   Dec-29-03 01:30 PM   #47 
  - Upon reflection  mikehiggins   Dec-29-03 08:04 AM   #6 
  - You left out this part re effect of a possible endorsement from Harkin  flpoljunkie   Dec-29-03 08:05 AM   #7 
  - yes and Harkins non endorsement of Kerry ........  Cheswick   Dec-29-03 08:07 AM   #9 
  - It will be a stake through the heart for the Kerry 'resurgence'.  Padraig18   Dec-29-03 08:10 AM   #12 
     - the only way Kerry has a resurgence is if someone kills off 7  Cheswick   Dec-29-03 08:33 AM   #18 
        - Very true.  Padraig18   Dec-29-03 08:46 AM   #22 
  - I want people to read the entire column as posted by Pointblank  BJ   Dec-29-03 08:09 AM   #10 
  - I did  HFishbine   Dec-29-03 08:18 AM   #15 
     - Not a very substantial source is it.  BJ   Dec-29-03 09:16 AM   #32 
  - A few staffers and  artr2   Dec-29-03 11:24 AM   #42 
  - another good endorsement for Dean. :)  maddezmom   Dec-29-03 08:05 AM   #8 
  - and the fifth time it has been rumored/announced  bearfartinthewoods   Dec-29-03 08:10 AM   #11 
     - Right. Sure seems miniscule  HFishbine   Dec-29-03 08:40 AM   #20 
        - i'm supporting the best candidate..just as i always have.  bearfartinthewoods   Dec-29-03 08:53 AM   #26 
           - You must be very proud of him  HFishbine   Dec-29-03 08:57 AM   #27 
  - He's been a great Senator  Junebug1920   Dec-29-03 08:11 AM   #13 
  - Tom Harkin's endorsement should ....  nomaco-10   Dec-29-03 08:16 AM   #14 
  - I don't trust this "source"...could be a leak designed to peave Harkin  farmbo   Dec-29-03 08:27 AM   #16 
  - I supported Tom Harkin in '92...  Atlant   Dec-29-03 08:30 AM   #17 
  - Fascinating  Crisco   Dec-29-03 08:34 AM   #19 
  - Harkin seems like a really great senator and person  Bombtrack   Dec-29-03 08:44 AM   #21 
  - We didn't dismiss it.  Padraig18   Dec-29-03 08:49 AM   #25 
     - Yes that is pretty mind boggling.  Bombtrack   Dec-29-03 09:04 AM   #29 
        - Ummm...  Padraig18   Dec-29-03 09:09 AM   #31 
  - Long-time Harkin fan here  JNelson6563   Dec-29-03 08:48 AM   #24 
  - Watch it Dean Supporters, they're going to breakout the cell  deminflorida   Dec-29-03 09:02 AM   #28 
  - Whatever.  Padraig18   Dec-29-03 09:05 AM   #30 
  - Won't matter now that Dean has the most superdelegates  KaraokeKarlton   Dec-29-03 09:33 AM   #34 
  - Don't count on the superdelegates  mikehiggins   Dec-29-03 10:56 AM   #37 
     - MH...correct as usual  windansea   Dec-29-03 11:14 AM   #39 
  - Lord, you guys make us old Tammany Hall groupies look sick.  mikehiggins   Dec-29-03 10:40 AM   #36 
  - an endorsement remains to be seen  CMT   Dec-29-03 09:17 AM   #33 
  - If that happens  Ficus   Dec-29-03 09:37 AM   #35 
  - I thought the Gore endorsement was supposed to wrap everything up.  mikehiggins   Dec-29-03 10:58 AM   #38 
     - Is this the new policy of the Clark supporters?  Atlant   Dec-29-03 11:17 AM   #40 
     - There does seem to be a certain, ummm, 'double standard'...  Padraig18   Dec-29-03 11:27 AM   #43 
     - You thought wrong.  Padraig18   Dec-29-03 11:17 AM   #41 
        - I know *I* am pleased with every additional endorsement Dean accrues.  Atlant   Dec-29-03 12:28 PM   #44 
  - That's AWESOME!!!  slinkerwink   Dec-29-03 01:28 PM   #46 
  - WB, slinkertwink!  Padraig18   Dec-29-03 01:31 PM   #49 
     - awww, thanks!  slinkerwink   Dec-29-03 02:04 PM   #50 
  - Wait.. doesn't he know that Dean is the next McGovern/Gingrich/Goldwater..  killbotfactory   Dec-29-03 01:30 PM   #48 
  - Wonderful news if true.  stickdog   Dec-29-03 06:26 PM   #51 
 

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