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Sun Nov-04-07 11:33 AM
Response to Reply #27 |
| 28. heh. I don't need to. |
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I hear him responding to Vermonters on a regular basis when he's on vpr's call in show.
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| -When it comes to politics, I prefer realism over fantasy. |
cali |
Nov-04-07 10:20 AM |
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Product vs. Process |
rucky |
Nov-04-07 10:22 AM |
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I don't know what unreal things you're talking about. |
cali |
Nov-04-07 10:27 AM |
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the old discussion of ends vs means |
rucky |
Nov-04-07 12:45 PM |
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wrong place |
rucky |
Nov-04-07 12:44 PM |
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Very true. Change in civil societies comes slowly. |
R_M |
Nov-04-07 10:27 AM |
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It also matters in what arena you are being realistic... |
Solon |
Nov-04-07 10:29 AM |
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those are good points. |
cali |
Nov-04-07 10:31 AM |
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Another example would be the War on (Some) Drugs... |
Solon |
Nov-04-07 10:41 AM |
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Another example would be energy policy... |
Solon |
Nov-04-07 11:08 AM |
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Agree |
WesDem |
Nov-04-07 10:29 AM |
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then give it |
cali |
Nov-04-07 10:32 AM |
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Okay, did |
WesDem |
Nov-04-07 10:47 AM |
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On the other hand, people want to be able to choose between... |
polichick |
Nov-04-07 10:34 AM |
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Yes, well |
cali |
Nov-04-07 10:37 AM |
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Currently, it's too hard to tell Dems from Republicans... |
polichick |
Nov-04-07 10:46 AM |
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sorry, I'm not big on the performance of Congress, but |
cali |
Nov-04-07 10:50 AM |
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Sad that you think it's acceptable for ANY Dems to act as... |
polichick |
Nov-04-07 10:55 AM |
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I didn't say that, and I'm sure you know that. How sad that you're |
cali |
Nov-04-07 11:04 AM |
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I think you should read my responses more carefully... |
polichick |
Nov-04-07 11:09 AM |
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The only quibble I have is how we define 'practical'. |
riqster |
Nov-04-07 10:49 AM |
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Sure, I didn't mean to suggest that we shouldn't strive |
cali |
Nov-04-07 10:52 AM |
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I just wanted to make it explicit. nt |
riqster |
Nov-04-07 11:02 AM |
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In politics, as in any negotiation, you always ask for more than you think you can get. |
John Q. Citizen |
Nov-04-07 01:20 PM |
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It's really a matter of degree -- and pragmatism vs. inertia |
Armstead |
Nov-04-07 10:53 AM |
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You seem to have an unusual defiinition of pragamatism. n/t |
cali |
Nov-04-07 11:05 AM |
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No I am looking for a real definition of pragmatism |
Armstead |
Nov-04-07 11:14 AM |
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you have a much better grasp on reality than the OP does.... |
bettyellen |
Nov-04-07 03:13 PM |
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Agreed, but the far more important question isi |
ruggerson |
Nov-04-07 10:55 AM |
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Behind the scenes, DK works to compromise |
riqster |
Nov-04-07 11:01 AM |
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It behooves many of us |
ruggerson |
Nov-04-07 11:13 AM |
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One has to also question what our candidates actually want.? I think a lot |
John Q. Citizen |
Nov-04-07 01:31 PM |
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watch Bernie Sanders explain this to an impeachment advocate |
Enrique |
Nov-04-07 11:21 AM |
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heh. I don't need to. |
cali |
Nov-04-07 11:33 AM |
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While your observations may have been true |
zalinda |
Nov-04-07 11:35 AM |
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A few points: Who said anything about Clinton being a savior? |
cali |
Nov-04-07 11:58 AM |
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Just a reminder |
zalinda |
Nov-04-07 12:22 PM |
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another reminder: that was one point among several |
cali |
Nov-04-07 12:50 PM |
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LBJ transformed people out of poverty in one term. He made a huge impact on |
John Q. Citizen |
Nov-04-07 01:34 PM |
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These are unique times..... |
Jade Fox |
Nov-04-07 11:38 AM |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Nov-04-07 12:46 PM |
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Kicked and recommended. NT |
TheWraith |
Nov-04-07 12:58 PM |
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I agree, but it's all a question of where one draws the various lines |
PurityOfEssence |
Nov-04-07 01:03 PM |
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true enough. |
cali |
Nov-04-07 01:10 PM |
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Guilty as charged |
PurityOfEssence |
Nov-04-07 01:52 PM |
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We all do that at times. n/t |
cali |
Nov-04-07 02:35 PM |
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"Bloody revolution is not the answer to the problems we face." |
MLFerrell |
Nov-04-07 01:10 PM |
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OK, here's how I take it. |
cali |
Nov-04-07 01:13 PM |
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Advocating violence is against DU rules. |
MLFerrell |
Nov-04-07 01:26 PM |
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if you're afraid to be banned from DU |
Enrique |
Nov-04-07 01:28 PM |
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LOL! |
cali |
Nov-04-07 01:30 PM |
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A few questions: |
MLFerrell |
Nov-04-07 01:48 PM |
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I didn't say anything about you leading a revolution. I laughed |
cali |
Nov-04-07 02:34 PM |
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I didn't reply to you. |
MLFerrell |
Nov-04-07 02:43 PM |
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Sorry about that. n/t |
cali |
Nov-04-07 02:45 PM |
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Pragmatism is just idealism on a different time scale. |
MGKrebs |
Nov-04-07 02:17 PM |
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let me try again, since the subthread was deleted. |
ulysses |
Nov-04-07 03:22 PM |
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No. It doesn't. |
cali |
Nov-04-07 03:28 PM |
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but what do you consider reality, and who do you think |
ulysses |
Nov-04-07 03:31 PM |
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some political realities are listed in my OP |
cali |
Nov-04-07 03:45 PM |
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but if only elections have an impact on congressional leadership, |
ulysses |
Nov-04-07 04:02 PM |
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who said anything about blame? |
cali |
Nov-04-07 04:24 PM |
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War that simple... |
Niccolo_Macchiavelli |
Nov-04-07 05:35 PM |
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well, the corporations don't own my house |
cali |
Nov-04-07 06:27 PM |
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I doubt it. The "system" is getting pretty good at identifying |
MGKrebs |
Nov-04-07 07:07 PM |
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We need both. |
MGKrebs |
Nov-04-07 05:43 PM |
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Well, |
cali |
Nov-04-07 06:30 PM |
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weren't you arguing that fighting the good fight was a waste of time? no impact on congresss... |
bettyellen |
Nov-04-07 06:51 PM |
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er, no. certainly not. and if you're going to make accusations |
cali |
Nov-04-07 07:03 PM |
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you forgot POST 50 "Not rooted in reality: That activists can have an impact on the leadership" |
bettyellen |
Nov-04-07 07:30 PM |
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or for the sake of all that's honest |
cali |
Nov-04-07 08:00 PM |
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fantasists believe that pragmatic people will do what activists do. |
bettyellen |
Nov-04-07 08:17 PM |
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Cali(fornia) Dreaming. |
Bonobo |
Nov-04-07 07:35 PM |
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lol |
cali |
Nov-04-07 08:09 PM |
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You only have one vote |
penguin7 |
Nov-04-07 08:10 PM |
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A courageous post, cali! nt |
DeepModem Mom |
Nov-05-07 12:01 AM |
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Realistically, the Republicans are screwed. |
Perry Logan |
Nov-05-07 06:03 AM |
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How I love these little DU lectures; I read at least one a day! |
kenzee13 |
Nov-05-07 07:11 AM |
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of course, my OP had nothing to do with |
cali |
Nov-05-07 07:26 AM |
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