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Reply #72: Don't buy into Cali's frame. Dennis works very well with people. He organized the [View All]

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72. Don't buy into Cali's frame. Dennis works very well with people. He organized the
Edited on Sun Nov-04-07 04:18 PM by John Q. Citizen
Dem majority no vote for the IWR in the House. He's an active member of the progressive caucus

He just won't sell out because someone tells him he should. When he says "No, I'm not going along with something I know is wrong," then people try to smear him with this shit. The same thing happens to anybody who can't be bought, they try to bring social pressure on them to conform to those who can be bought.

These same smear - Meister's always then go back when Dennis was 32 and taking on the monied interest in Cleavland. Yeah he pissed a lot of fat cat power brokers off. More power to him. I wish some more of our go along to get along spineless Dems would do that. They just don't have the personal confidence and center to take that kind of heat. Harry Truman got the same bad rap.

Yeah, Dennis already said it was a mistake to fire his insubordinate Chief of Police on TV on good Friday. But that was 30 years ago. He's learned a heck of a lot since then.

Here's Kucinich's record. http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=400227
Bill Sponsorship & Co sponsorship
Statistics: Dennis Kucinich has sponsored 101 bills since Jan 7, 1997, of which 92 haven't made it out of committee (Average) and 1 were successfully enacted (Average, relative to peers). Kucinich has co-sponsored 3069 bills during the same time period (Very Many, relative to peers).

Some of Kucinich's most recently sponsored bills include... (View All)

H.R. 3875: To permit the Secretary of Labor to make an administrative determination of the amount of unpaid wages owed for certain violations of the Fair Labor Standards Act in the New Orleans region after Hurricane Katrina.
H.R. 4060: To assist States in establishing a universal prekindergarten program to ensure that all children 3, 4, and 5 years old have access to a high-quality full-day, full-calendar-year prekindergarten education.
H.J.Res. 39: Proclaiming Casimir Pulaski be an honorary citizen of the United States posthumously.
H.R. 2707: To reauthorize the Underground Railroad Educational and Cultural Program.
H.R. 3183: For the relief of Theresa and Stefan Sajac.Text


Cali tries to attack Dennis by contrasting his record with another great progressive, Bernie Sanders of Vermont, and tries to make the charge stick that 'Dennis doesn't work well with others.' However, when we look at his record over the same time period, we see that he hasn't had more success than Dennis in the GOP controlled house (up until Jan of 07)that both have had to labor under, not to mention the regressive attitudes of many in the Dem caucus.

Dennis in fact, has co- sponsored more bills than Sanders, and gotten more bills voted out of committee. Dennis has gotten 9 bills out of committee to Sander's 2, and both Sanders and Kucinich have gotten one bill enacted into law.

Why Cali tries to pit two great progressives against each other to smear Dennis is beyond me. Perhaps someone should ask her.

Bill Sponsorship & Co sponsorship
Statistics: Bernard Sanders has sponsored 119 bills since Jan 7, 1997, of which 117 haven't made it out of committee (Average) and 1 were successfully enacted (Average, relative to peers). Sanders has co-sponsored 2784 bills during the same time period (Very Many, relative to peers).


http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=400357


And finally, here is the record of Nancy Pelosi, former minority leader of the house and current Speaker of the house

Bill Sponsorship & Co sponsorship
Statistics: Nancy Pelosi has sponsored 55 bills since Jan 7, 1997, of which 48 haven't made it out of committee (Average) and 1 were successfully enacted (Average, relative to peers). Pelosi has co-sponsored 1724 bills during the same time period (Average, relative to peers).


Notice anything here? Dennis has gotten more votes out of committee, sponsored and co-sponsored more bills than Sanders or Pelosi, and all have enacted one of their sponsored bills into law.

Kucinich is doing a great job, and should be very proud of his record. He entered the House in 1997 as a freshman. Pelosi entered in 1987, and Sanders in 1993. Dennis got right down to getting things done, Cali not with standing



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  I don't understand liberal Democrats demnan  Nov-03-07 03:54 PM   #0 
   Right on! Great post!  Lint Head   Nov-03-07 03:58 PM   #1 
   I like some of Dennis' ideas but  cali   Nov-03-07 04:05 PM   #2 
   I agree 100% and must admit I'm guilty of that same mentality  Bullet1987   Nov-03-07 04:11 PM   #3 
   My point is this:  demnan   Nov-03-07 04:37 PM   #12 
      Thank you for stepping up, Demnan.  LWolf   Nov-03-07 06:46 PM   #63 
      We are running outta time my friend.....either do it or we go down in flames  opihimoimoi   Nov-03-07 08:36 PM   #66 
   If he has good ideas but can't get his colleagues to follow.. Who's fault is that?  Chulanowa   Nov-03-07 04:31 PM   #6 
   It could be a testament to his leadership qualities. n/t  ourbluenation   Nov-03-07 04:35 PM   #9 
   Actually, he can get legislation passed:  rjones2818   Nov-03-07 04:35 PM   #10 
   You should be blaming or shouldn't be blaming?  demnan   Nov-03-07 04:44 PM   #19 
   He has to take part of that responsibility  cali   Nov-03-07 04:44 PM   #20 
   It's hard to turn a corporate whore politician into one who actually stands up  Ghost in the Machine   Nov-03-07 08:55 PM   #67 
   Don't buy into Cali's frame. Dennis works very well with people. He organized the  John Q. Citizen   Nov-04-07 04:15 PM   #72 
   He doesn't have the consensus building skills of say, the late Senators  MADem   Nov-03-07 04:38 PM   #13 
   exactly, or even bernie sanders who  cali   Nov-03-07 04:45 PM   #21 
   Could you please supply a list of bills or amendments that Sanders  John Q. Citizen   Nov-03-07 05:33 PM   #45 
      UH...no Dem did much of ANYTHING while the Repos controlled the HOUSE.  MADem   Nov-04-07 12:40 AM   #71 
   The problem is that  rjones2818   Nov-03-07 08:15 PM   #65 
      Uh, of COURSE quid pro quo is the rule.  MADem   Nov-04-07 12:32 AM   #70 
   Wouldn't you kind of EXPECT it to be hard for Dennis to build coalitions...  greendog   Nov-03-07 04:40 PM   #15 
   Wellstone built coalitions with pro-corporate Senators all the time.  Alexander   Nov-03-07 04:44 PM   #18 
   I wish you would realize this isn't really about Dennis Kucinich  demnan   Nov-03-07 05:04 PM   #32 
   I wish you would see how my point is related...  Alexander   Nov-03-07 05:36 PM   #46 
   Wellstone also entered the Senate when the Dems controlled the Senate,  John Q. Citizen   Nov-03-07 05:26 PM   #43 
      So? Dems control the House now, and throughout much of Wellstone's career...  Alexander   Nov-03-07 05:45 PM   #49 
   bernie did it in the House  cali   Nov-03-07 04:49 PM   #25 
      Then maybe we should vote for Bernie.  greendog   Nov-03-07 04:58 PM   #29 
      That is a flat out misrepresentation. of the facts. Sanders got more amendments voted  John Q. Citizen   Nov-03-07 05:05 PM   #33 
         . YOU have it all wrong. From the article:  cali   Nov-03-07 05:32 PM   #44 
            You are the one doing the misinformation. Kucinich got more bills out of committee,  John Q. Citizen   Nov-04-07 04:44 PM   #73 
   How has he got to persuade when a majority agree with him  treestar   Nov-04-07 08:12 PM   #74 
   Huckabee, Keyes, Hunter, Trancedo  sandnsea   Nov-03-07 04:18 PM   #4 
   I voted him for him last time, and will again this year.  TroubleMan   Nov-03-07 04:24 PM   #5 
   that happens on the right too. n/t  ourbluenation   Nov-03-07 04:34 PM   #7 
   I disagree with you main point..  TreasonousBastard   Nov-03-07 04:35 PM   #8 
   If you had read my post in a perceptive manner  demnan   Nov-03-07 04:40 PM   #14 
      I think you'll find his assessment correct  Riktor   Nov-03-07 10:24 PM   #68 
   I agreed with Nader in 2000  smoogatz   Nov-03-07 04:36 PM   #11 
   You, like the others  demnan   Nov-03-07 04:41 PM   #16 
      Are you of the belief, then, that making a moral point is more important  smoogatz   Nov-03-07 04:48 PM   #24 
         You don't understand politics, obviously  demnan   Nov-03-07 04:52 PM   #26 
            And if, in pressing for that commitment, you fuck up  smoogatz   Nov-03-07 05:45 PM   #50 
               Kucinich will not win the nomination  demnan   Nov-03-07 06:24 PM   #55 
                  If you know he won't win, and I know he won't win  smoogatz   Nov-03-07 11:46 PM   #69 
   And to further the freakin' Irony..  zidzi   Nov-03-07 04:42 PM   #17 
   I Disagree  DemocratSinceBirth   Nov-03-07 04:45 PM   #22 
   Here's the thing...  dbonds   Nov-03-07 04:48 PM   #23 
   They Figure Out A Strategy To Get A Pluarility Or Majority Of The Voters By Any Means Necessary  DemocratSinceBirth   Nov-03-07 04:53 PM   #27 
   Thanks  demnan   Nov-03-07 04:54 PM   #28 
   If Pugs Are Motivated  DemocratSinceBirth   Nov-03-07 05:00 PM   #30 
      In 1994 they had a winning plan  demnan   Nov-03-07 05:03 PM   #31 
      I'm Pretty Jaded When It Comes To Politicians  DemocratSinceBirth   Nov-03-07 05:05 PM   #34 
         I wish you had been with me in 2006  demnan   Nov-03-07 05:09 PM   #37 
            I Like And Admire Jim Webb  DemocratSinceBirth   Nov-03-07 05:20 PM   #41 
               You know, George Allen was his own worst enemy there  demnan   Nov-03-07 06:27 PM   #57 
      I agree -- I think that's why they're liking Giuliani.  Sparkly   Nov-03-07 05:07 PM   #35 
         The Pugs Voted Their Heart In 64, 80and 84  DemocratSinceBirth   Nov-03-07 05:16 PM   #40 
   Hence one of the reasons Dennis doesn't appeal to me in the primaries  Hippo_Tron   Nov-03-07 05:41 PM   #48 
   Dems act as if they've been brainwashed by an abusive spouse...  polichick   Nov-03-07 05:08 PM   #36 
   Thanks  demnan   Nov-03-07 05:11 PM   #38 
   Frankly, Nader was better than Gore on the issues (in my view) but I was 100% Gore because sometimes  Stop Cornyn   Nov-03-07 05:15 PM   #39 
   I'm sorry, but you didn't understand my post  demnan   Nov-03-07 05:24 PM   #42 
   Our last nominee, John Kerry, was from the liberal wing of the party. Edwards' agenda is liberal by  Stop Cornyn   Nov-03-07 05:58 PM   #51 
      John Kerry forced out Howard Dean  demnan   Nov-03-07 06:21 PM   #54 
      Kerry was more liberal than pro-gun, pro-death penalty, pro-NAFTA Dean. I love Dean who brought new  Stop Cornyn   Nov-03-07 07:32 PM   #64 
      See Post 56  DemocratSinceBirth   Nov-03-07 06:28 PM   #58 
   Yes  DemocratSinceBirth   Nov-03-07 06:27 PM   #56 
   I don't think Kucinich has what it takes to mount a serious bid  Hippo_Tron   Nov-03-07 05:39 PM   #47 
   I'm going into the neighborhood where your (icon) guy was born  demnan   Nov-03-07 06:16 PM   #52 
   I'm the person you don't understand, per your post.  mondo joe   Nov-03-07 06:20 PM   #53 
   Let's make ourselves less invisible  demnan   Nov-03-07 06:33 PM   #61 
   There is more to being a President than being right on the issues.  skipos   Nov-03-07 06:30 PM   #59 
   By your rational, conservatives do the exact same thing liberals do.  SteppingRazor   Nov-03-07 06:32 PM   #60 
   The only way we have to influence the platform is our primary vote.  riqster   Nov-03-07 06:40 PM   #62 
 

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