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conservdem Donating Member (880 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 07:53 PM
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44. I doubt that will hold up.
Edited on Sat Nov-03-07 07:56 PM by conservdem
I doubt many will believe the illegals will actual seek the license. Most will find it a stretch to believe this will lead to the illegals getting insurance.

Most will, however, see it as a sign that the Dems are happy with the idea of encouraging more illegals.

Also see the post from earlier (post #27) about how the Republicans will argue that we are doing this to document them so they can vote (via motor voter and similar laws).

Given the poll results so far it does not appear that your message would even resonate here at DU.
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  -Poll: Driver's licenses for undocumented immigrants? conservdem  Nov-02-07 07:26 PM   #0 
  - "I am very much in favor of fixing our boarder problems"  ImpeechBush   Nov-02-07 07:32 PM   #1 
  - It was a typo. Thanks for pointing it out.  conservdem   Nov-02-07 07:40 PM   #9 
  - Does anyone else see this as real problem for us?  conservdem   Nov-02-07 07:32 PM   #2 
  - Drivers licenses  john4012   Nov-03-07 01:07 PM   #27 
     - This is an additional serious problem with the issue. Republicans  conservdem   Nov-03-07 01:13 PM   #29 
  - .  conservdem   Nov-02-07 07:32 PM   #3 
  - I have been saying for 6 months that the pukes were going to make this THE issue in the  OregonBlue   Nov-02-07 07:38 PM   #7 
     - I agree. If I was them, I would run on the issue and it will probably  conservdem   Nov-02-07 07:45 PM   #10 
     - You are so right! Dems must not allow themselves to be drawn into the debate on it.  CTyankee   Nov-04-07 02:53 PM   #76 
        - I think its too late to avoid the issue. I just learned Biden  conservdem   Nov-04-07 03:00 PM   #77 
           - What did Biden say? Is there a link to his ideas on immigration reform?  CTyankee   Nov-04-07 03:11 PM   #80 
              - Here's a link.  conservdem   Nov-04-07 05:20 PM   #93 
  - I agree with YOU on ALL points.  Double T   Nov-02-07 07:33 PM   #4 
  - I thought he was an excellent AG.  conservdem   Nov-02-07 07:36 PM   #6 
     - Spitzer has turned out to be lousy, arrogant, tyrannical Governor.........  Double T   Nov-02-07 07:39 PM   #8 
  - What a weird concept  DS1   Nov-02-07 07:34 PM   #5 
  - why do we need a driver's license?  shireen   Nov-02-07 07:48 PM   #11 
  - Also you can't get auto insurance without a license.  seasat   Nov-02-07 08:07 PM   #12 
  - You really think many illegal aliens are going to be seeking a  conservdem   Nov-02-07 08:12 PM   #16 
  - No but more will buy insurance than if they continue unlicensed  seasat   Nov-03-07 12:33 PM   #25 
  - The fine here for driving without insurance is $800  proud2Blib   Nov-04-07 11:29 AM   #60 
     - I doubt they get prosecuted much on this type of charge.  conservdem   Nov-04-07 11:40 AM   #63 
        - I seriously doubt you live here  proud2Blib   Nov-04-07 01:26 PM   #71 
           - I do not live in KS if that is the state you are speaking of.  conservdem   Nov-04-07 01:34 PM   #72 
  - In CA you can't get a DL  Bennyboy   Nov-03-07 01:46 PM   #31 
  - That is not correct  slackmaster   Nov-04-07 09:21 AM   #49 
  - Sure, so would I. But are you willing to lose the election on this issue?  CTyankee   Nov-04-07 03:01 PM   #78 
  - In New Haven, we have taken care of your # 2, as we have resident ID cards  CTyankee   Nov-04-07 03:16 PM   #81 
  - There is no reason for a presidential candidate to have a position.  Kurt_and_Hunter   Nov-02-07 08:08 PM   #13 
  - But it won't stop there. The Pukes are getting ready to make illegal immigration their platform for  OregonBlue   Nov-02-07 08:12 PM   #15 
  - That's kind of a cop out. And they have already taken a position.  conservdem   Nov-03-07 11:01 AM   #23 
  - The driver's license becomes a federal matter when the license  amandabeech   Nov-04-07 02:40 PM   #74 
  - I agree that it would be politically difficult to advocate any so-called benefit...  SaveElmer   Nov-02-07 08:09 PM   #14 
  - How "difficult"?  conservdem   Nov-02-07 08:20 PM   #17 
     - I think that is an overstatement...  SaveElmer   Nov-02-07 08:24 PM   #19 
        - Oh, Thank you Elmer!  polmaven   Nov-02-07 08:52 PM   #20 
        - Hillary and all but Dodd will be seen as supporting the concept  conservdem   Nov-03-07 09:09 AM   #22 
  - You need an "other." I don't support the concept except as a safety measure in the current crises  calteacherguy   Nov-02-07 08:23 PM   #18 
  - My thoughts exactly.  wlucinda   Nov-03-07 01:55 PM   #32 
  - Oh, stop being so rational! You and I both know being rational on this issue  CTyankee   Nov-04-07 03:09 PM   #79 
  - Good policy? Bad policy? I don't care. It is dumb politically  LVZ   Nov-02-07 09:03 PM   #21 
  - I support DL for undocumented immigrants  supernova   Nov-03-07 11:39 AM   #24 
  - Do see this issue hurting our chances at winning the Whitehouse?  conservdem   Nov-03-07 01:00 PM   #26 
  - I see it as an education issue  supernova   Nov-03-07 01:13 PM   #28 
     - Education is fine for those IN POWER, otherwise NUANCE is a losing proposition in elections  LVZ   Nov-03-07 01:37 PM   #30 
     - It's the same mindset  Orangeone   Nov-03-07 02:12 PM   #34 
     - So are you suggesting it will not hurt our chances?  conservdem   Nov-03-07 07:15 PM   #36 
        - I'm saying I think it won't  supernova   Nov-03-07 07:33 PM   #41 
           - I doubt that will hold up.  conservdem   Nov-03-07 07:53 PM   #44 
              - And I think your attitude  supernova   Nov-03-07 08:22 PM   #45 
                 - Isn't this a web site for Democrats?  conservdem   Nov-04-07 08:47 AM   #47 
  - People who oppose them on this board tend to be from non-border states  thecatburgler   Nov-03-07 07:25 PM   #38 
  - Your post suggest you have a sense of how this issue is viewed here.  conservdem   Nov-03-07 07:41 PM   #43 
  - I think California qualifies as a border state  slackmaster   Nov-04-07 09:27 AM   #50 
     - So making sure no one can get it if they are undocumented is the answer? nt  thecatburgler   Nov-04-07 11:01 AM   #56 
     - thecatburgler  conservdem   Nov-04-07 11:13 AM   #57 
     - Looks like they're not.  thecatburgler   Nov-04-07 11:35 AM   #61 
     - I did not say they should be able to get some kind of driver's license  slackmaster   Nov-04-07 11:17 AM   #58 
     - And do we really KNOW that undocumented drivers cause more accidents than citizens?  CTyankee   Nov-04-07 03:29 PM   #82 
        - Is this supposed to be a response to something I wrote?  slackmaster   Nov-04-07 03:40 PM   #85 
           - ooops, I may have responded incorrectly! Sorry. n/t  CTyankee   Nov-04-07 03:51 PM   #89 
  - I see a flaw in your logic  slackmaster   Nov-04-07 09:31 AM   #52 
  - They have to learn them to get the license  proud2Blib   Nov-04-07 03:31 PM   #83 
     - Yes, and...  slackmaster   Nov-04-07 03:39 PM   #84 
        - And refusing to let them get licenses is a better idea?  proud2Blib   Nov-04-07 03:46 PM   #87 
           - One more time with feeling...  slackmaster   Nov-04-07 04:31 PM   #91 
  - Thank you  proud2Blib   Nov-04-07 11:36 AM   #62 
     - Do you think allowing them licenses will encourage, discourage  conservdem   Nov-04-07 11:48 AM   #65 
        - They don't come here to get drivers licenses  proud2Blib   Nov-04-07 02:38 PM   #73 
           - That may be a good way, but I doubt it's the "only way."  conservdem   Nov-04-07 02:41 PM   #75 
  - politically, no ... common sense wise, yes  Magic Rat   Nov-03-07 01:58 PM   #33 
  - What do you mean by "It better not"?  conservdem   Nov-03-07 02:41 PM   #35 
  - I'm for it  Heaven and Earth   Nov-03-07 07:22 PM   #37 
  - Giving someone a license doesn't make them a safer driver  slackmaster   Nov-04-07 09:28 AM   #51 
  - if the climate collapses, borders will be meaningless. let's  mopinko   Nov-03-07 07:25 PM   #39 
  - I see lots of wrecks in Charlotte,  surfermaw   Nov-03-07 07:26 PM   #40 
  - Do you think this is going to get better or worse under a Republican  conservdem   Nov-03-07 07:38 PM   #42 
     - I'm not interested in capturing the votes  supernova   Nov-03-07 08:39 PM   #46 
  - Not enough choices, so I voted Against - explanation follows  slackmaster   Nov-04-07 09:19 AM   #48 
  - Sorry I did not have a better choice for you.  conservdem   Nov-04-07 09:36 AM   #53 
  - If the stigma would prevent someone from applying, I say tough shit  slackmaster   Nov-04-07 09:56 AM   #54 
     - I hope the Dems running now take a look at what happened in  conservdem   Nov-04-07 10:02 AM   #55 
  - My state, Arizona, changed the ID requirements for voter registration  thecatburgler   Nov-04-07 11:47 AM   #64 
     - Our New Haven city resident ID card cannot be used to register to vote.  CTyankee   Nov-04-07 03:40 PM   #86 
        - That's a good idea.  thecatburgler   Nov-04-07 03:50 PM   #88 
           - Adequate voting machines that work, vigorous enforcement of laws  CTyankee   Nov-04-07 04:04 PM   #90 
  - I want them to have insurance  proud2Blib   Nov-04-07 11:27 AM   #59 
  - I am surprised by these results. Are they  conservdem   Nov-04-07 12:17 PM   #66 
  - I guarantee the proportions would be reversed,  Basileus Basileon   Nov-04-07 12:18 PM   #67 
  - So you do not think these numbers are a fair  conservdem   Nov-04-07 12:22 PM   #68 
  - Well, I think they are, sort of.  Basileus Basileon   Nov-04-07 12:24 PM   #69 
     - I agree that not giving illegals licenses will not keep them  conservdem   Nov-04-07 12:45 PM   #70 
        - I think dems will fix it, but first they have to get ELECTED!  CTyankee   Nov-05-07 07:46 AM   #97 
  - I agree with you. Kinda sad reflection on this community n/t  maximusveritas   Nov-04-07 04:33 PM   #92 
  - It's up to the state  treestar   Nov-04-07 07:02 PM   #94 
  - Do you think this issue will hurt us?  conservdem   Nov-04-07 11:13 PM   #96 
  - Would the driving license be like an occupational license?  zulchzulu   Nov-04-07 07:12 PM   #95 
  - kick  conservdem   Nov-05-07 05:51 PM   #98 
  - kick  conservdem   Nov-06-07 06:34 AM   #99 
  - kick  conservdem   Nov-07-07 06:40 AM   #100 
  - The notion of issuing driver's licenses to illegal aliens -  Vinca   Nov-07-07 06:46 AM   #101 
  - I agree that it will kill our chances.  conservdem   Nov-07-07 06:53 AM   #102 
  - do you think all "illegal aliens" should be deported -- every last one of them?  onenote   Nov-08-07 06:59 AM   #104 
     - If someone turns up to apply for a license and they're an illegal alien,  Vinca   Nov-08-07 07:30 AM   #105 
     - so, again, do you favor a "don't ask, don't tell" policy?  onenote   Nov-08-07 07:56 AM   #106 
        - If I had the solution I wouldn't be a struggling, self-employed person  Vinca   Nov-08-07 12:56 PM   #107 
     - The more important thing to address is stooping the number of  conservdem   Nov-08-07 05:51 PM   #108 
  - kick  conservdem   Nov-08-07 06:48 AM   #103 

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