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madmunchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 10:56 PM
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55. You have your JE quotes and I have mine......some appear to contradict each other - WHY
is that?

Why did he vote for the Patriot Act?

Why did he co sponsor and vote for the IWR?
The problem is, five of the nine Democratic Senate Intelligence committee members at the time -- including then-chair Bob Graham -- voted against the Iraq war resolution. Edwards hasn't said what the super-top-secret evidence that convinced him -- but didn't convince the majority of the Democrats on the committee -- was. Which is kind of odd, because it appears to have been just as wrong as Bush's intelligence.

Why did he vote for Bankruptcy Bill?

Why did he Co sponsor massive increase in H-1b Visas?

And his work on the Poverty Issue:

During the 2004 elections, as The Guardian article reminds, John Edwards raised poverty to a presidential-level conversation for the first time in forty years. And even then, he had to mute his passion and words once he became the vice-presidential candidate. So it's heartening that Edwards, in these last months, has retrieved his focus and passion and launched a campaign to "eradicate poverty in America." (For more, check out Bob Moser's fine Nation profile) He's created a think tank at the University of North Carolina, The Center on Poverty, Work and Opportunity," designed to tackle the nation's deep and abiding economic and racial inequities, and taken his antipoverty crusade to more than thirty states.

"Edwards isn't alone. There are movements which continue to work hard, with too little support or attention; there are also less prominent political figures. But what we need is a critical mass of elected representatives, at all levels. Make this issue a campaign. Don't just talk the talk, but really work to fulfill the oft-proclaimed promise of America as a land of opportunity for all. Begin by fighting tooth and nail to increase the minimum wage. Shame on those who refuse to pass it. And then let's support the successful living wage movement, and the anti-poverty movements and coalitions working in our communities and nation-wide. "

"Edwards, a former Democratic senator from North Carolina, launched the center in 2005 at the Washington (D.C.) address of his PAC. The nonprofit raised $1.3 million in 2005, the only year for which data are available, and spent some of it on a national speaking tour for Edwards. It also spent $259,000 on consultants. The campaign declines to disclose the donors or consultants. The center is now defunct, and some of its key leaders are now aiding the Edwards campaign. ... "

Most of what you have said is what JE has said, little on what he is actually done that cannot be questioned. He made disasterous votes in the Senate, He only was in the Senate for 6 years, during which part of that time - as a freshman Senator - he ran for POTUS. So, not only does he not have much experience in Political Government, but in the 1 office and 1 term that he did serve, he ended up doing more self serving than serving the people who elected him.

I look at actions and credentials and expertise - What JE says means little to me if I cannot establish a history of ACTIONS that support his words. I learned a long time ago from Reagan that an actor can be pretty persuasive, that, however does NOT qualify him to be POTUS.

It totally amazes me how people will just "take somebody's word" on something as obviously flawed as political promises made during a campaign and those people will support that person in the most powerful position in the world....How little we expect from our leaders... - No, how little you expect from your leaders. At least the other candidates have 10 years or more of public life and service to study.
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  -John Edwards crossed the line in his personal attack on Hillary yesterday. Wow is he desperate mtnsnake  Oct-30-07 04:46 PM   #0 
  - No one has any idea what you are talking about  TheBorealAvenger   Oct-30-07 04:48 PM   #1 
  - It was on the morning news how he uncorked on her with the personal allegations  mtnsnake   Oct-30-07 05:12 PM   #12 
     - Sounds like he was attacking her policies, nothing wrong with that...  Catchawave   Oct-30-07 06:45 PM   #32 
     - No, he implied that she would be a continuation of corruption in DC & the same as Bush  mtnsnake   Oct-30-07 09:34 PM   #48 
        - Well, he's not wrong about that  mitchum   Oct-30-07 10:08 PM   #50 
           - Boy who says emperor has no clothes is a wet blanket and should be drawn & quartered...  mitchum   Oct-30-07 10:09 PM   #51 
     - So what did he actually say?  knight_of_the_star   Oct-30-07 07:58 PM   #37 
     - Nope... he's got the courage to tell the TRUTH about Hillary..  ddeclue   Oct-30-07 09:04 PM   #46 
  - I wish Hillary would be our "Goddess of Peace" nt  polichick   Oct-30-07 04:48 PM   #2 
  - something like jumbo shrimp or military intelligence?  Whisp   Oct-30-07 06:03 PM   #25 
     - That's not an oxymoron! ... eom  TheBorealAvenger   Oct-30-07 08:44 PM   #45 
  - Keep on smokin'  goodgd_yall   Oct-30-07 04:50 PM   #3 
  - Slander is only slander when it isn't true.  AtomicKitten   Oct-30-07 04:52 PM   #4 
  - Ding!  MalloyLiberal   Oct-30-07 04:58 PM   #8 
  - Saying that Hillary would be just an extension of Republican corruption IS slander and disloyal  mtnsnake   Oct-30-07 05:14 PM   #14 
     - How is it disloyal?  knight_of_the_star   Oct-30-07 07:59 PM   #38 
     - The truth hurts, eh? n/t  Nedsdag   Oct-30-07 10:11 PM   #52 
  - Well, at least he didn't question her personal freshness. But yeah...  IanDB1   Oct-30-07 04:54 PM   #5 
  - If he said those exact words, then...  rateyes   Oct-30-07 04:56 PM   #6 
  - I can never tell if your posts about Hillary are supposed to be serious or not  BlueStater   Oct-30-07 04:56 PM   #7 
  - I wasn't sure myself  goodgd_yall   Oct-30-07 05:58 PM   #22 
  - Obama called Clinton "Bush Cheney lite"  cuke   Oct-30-07 04:59 PM   #9 
  - Did he?  Jim4Wes   Oct-30-07 05:18 PM   #15 
     - yes, he did, but that was some time ago  Lirwin2   Oct-30-07 06:00 PM   #24 
  - "The Goddess of Peace" >?!?!?  Bluebear   Oct-30-07 05:01 PM   #10 
  - Huh?  FuJun   Oct-30-07 05:07 PM   #11 
  - John & Elizabeth are lower than a snake's belly  journalist3072   Oct-30-07 05:12 PM   #13 
  - Yep - I also did not like her snarky comments about Teresa Kerry  DURHAM D   Oct-30-07 05:25 PM   #17 
     - OUCH!  GreenArrow   Oct-30-07 06:18 PM   #30 
     - Agree.  emilyg   Oct-30-07 07:12 PM   #36 
     - I've heard worse about Teresa from other Dems  CTyankee   Oct-31-07 09:26 AM   #63 
  - Clearly she can't stand the heat and needs to get out of the kitchen!  MichDem10   Oct-30-07 05:22 PM   #16 
  - If only Edwards knew how to handle the heat from the right wing like Hillary has all her life  mtnsnake   Oct-30-07 05:31 PM   #20 
     - Really?  waiting for hope   Oct-30-07 06:10 PM   #28 
  - You mean sink like the did when he was polling 5% in Iowa and then finished two point behind Kerry  surfermaw   Oct-30-07 05:27 PM   #18 
  - Desperate? BULLSHIT.  AndyA   Oct-30-07 05:31 PM   #19 
  - Thank God JE is sinking in the polls. He is not someone that should  madmunchie   Oct-30-07 05:52 PM   #21 
  - That would be a very  waiting for hope   Oct-30-07 06:12 PM   #29 
     - What are you talking about????? He kissed up plenty with Kerry  madmunchie   Oct-30-07 06:37 PM   #31 
        - There you go again...  Milo_Bloom   Oct-30-07 06:57 PM   #33 
        - Obviously too many people on this board choose to ignore  madmunchie   Oct-30-07 10:34 PM   #54 
           - That is offensive to Edwards' supporters.  Nutmegger   Oct-31-07 06:12 PM   #71 
              - I am not saying that JE is the same as Bush, but there are similarities  madmunchie   Oct-31-07 06:42 PM   #75 
        - Actions?  waiting for hope   Oct-30-07 08:42 PM   #44 
           - You have your JE quotes and I have mine......some appear to contradict each other - WHY  madmunchie   Oct-30-07 10:56 PM   #55 
              - It would be really interesting  waiting for hope   Oct-31-07 08:44 AM   #56 
                 - I like Dennis Kucinich and Gore - Clark was someone that I cared about as well  madmunchie   Oct-31-07 05:56 PM   #69 
  - Do you have a link to a story or the MSM station you saw this on?  Debi   Oct-30-07 06:00 PM   #23 
  - i thought Edwards was right and has every right to say so.  illinoisprogressive   Oct-30-07 06:04 PM   #26 
  - I'm liking Edwards more and more. And you're kinda cute, too! nt  babylonsister   Oct-30-07 06:05 PM   #27 
  - You lost me with "Goddess of Peace".  Nutmegger   Oct-30-07 07:00 PM   #34 
  - ME too !  Catchawave   Oct-30-07 07:11 PM   #35 
  - I actually LOL'd at the Peace Godess thing!  K8-EEE   Oct-31-07 09:02 AM   #60 
  - It''s like he is running for President of the Netroots...  SaveElmer   Oct-30-07 08:05 PM   #39 
  - Uh huh  knight_of_the_star   Oct-30-07 08:06 PM   #40 
     - Yes it is Shakespeare...  SaveElmer   Oct-30-07 08:13 PM   #41 
        - So how about you post what he said then?  knight_of_the_star   Oct-30-07 09:20 PM   #47 
  - You're repeating the DLC talking points - Wow are you spoonfed  Adenoid_Hynkel   Oct-30-07 08:14 PM   #42 
  - notice the lack of any substance to dispute what he said  Adenoid_Hynkel   Oct-30-07 08:16 PM   #43 
  - The Empresses' New Cloths  The River   Oct-30-07 10:02 PM   #49 
  - I did not see him go personal. he kept it civil.  illinoisprogressive   Oct-30-07 10:18 PM   #53 
  - yes. I thought he did a bad job. He looked awful  Evergreen Emerald   Oct-31-07 08:46 AM   #57 
  - I might want him if I needed a personal injury trial lawyer  Jim4Wes   Oct-31-07 08:49 AM   #58 
  - I hope Edwards wins the nom.  K8-EEE   Oct-31-07 08:59 AM   #59 
  - Edwards IS desparate  speakclearly   Oct-31-07 09:11 AM   #61 
  - Edwards exposed Hilllary for what she is, a green candidate  FlaxieB   Oct-31-07 09:13 AM   #62 
  - you're kidding, right?  cali   Oct-31-07 01:34 PM   #66 
     - If she is so "experienced" why has she gotten worse in debates.  FlaxieB   Oct-31-07 01:40 PM   #67 
        - I can't answer that. This is the only debate I've seen  cali   Oct-31-07 01:44 PM   #68 
  - "The Goddess of Peace ..."  jmp   Oct-31-07 09:28 AM   #64 
  - K&R  Tellurian   Oct-31-07 01:18 PM   #65 
  - He pointed out the differences between himself and Senator Clinton. So what?  Kerry2008   Oct-31-07 06:00 PM   #70 
  - one toke over the line sweet mtnsnake one toke over the line..  dionysus   Oct-31-07 06:37 PM   #72 
  - He crossed no lines  benny05   Oct-31-07 06:39 PM   #73 
  - I agree Edwards blew it. He deserves to pay a price for it.  calteacherguy   Oct-31-07 06:41 PM   #74 

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