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desi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 03:02 PM
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27. How the IWR has been turned into the "War Vote"
is mystifying in itself since there is no declaration of war from the US Congress. Maybe it's time to bring this up again for those who have not seen it and also for those who have seen it and forgotten about it. One important thing to remember is that President Clinton had not so long ago been impeached for lying about a blow job. Who could have ever imagined that a sitting US President AND Vice President would LIE to Congress, never mind the entire world, about anything as serious as WMD's to invade another country? Of course the link no longer works but "the google" is our friend. I hope this is not a thread jack but if it's removed maybe somebody could give it its own thread.

Dec 15, 10:17 PM

Senators were told Iraqi weapons could hit U.S.

Nelson said claim made during classified briefing

By John McCarthy

U.S. Sen. Bill Nelson said Monday the Bush administration last year told him and other senators that Iraq not only had weapons of mass destruction, but they had the means to deliver them to East Coast cities.

Nelson, D-Tallahassee, said about 75 senators got that news during a classified briefing before last October's congressional vote authorizing the use of force to remove Saddam Hussein from power. Nelson voted in favor of using military force.

Nelson said he couldn't reveal who in the administration gave the briefing.

The White House directed questions about the matter to the Department of Defense. Defense officials had no comment on Nelson's claim.

Nelson said the senators were told Iraq had both biological and chemical weapons, notably anthrax, and it could deliver them to cities along the Eastern seaboard via unmanned aerial vehicles, commonly known as drones.

"They have not found anything that resembles an UAV that has that capability," Nelson said.

Nelson delivered the news during a half-hour conference call with reporters Monday afternoon. The senator, who is on a seven-nation trade mission to South America, was calling from an airport in Santiago, Chile.

"That's news," said John Pike, director of, a Washington, D.C.-area military and intelligence think tank. "I had not heard that that was the assessment of the intelligence community. I had not heard that the Congress had been briefed on this."

Since the late 1990s, there have been several reports that Iraq was converting a fleet of Czechoslovakian jet fighters into UAVs, as well as testing smaller drones. And in a speech in Cincinnati last October, Bush mentioned the vehicles. "We're concerned that Iraq is exploring ways of using these UAVs for missions targeting the United States," the president said.

Nelson, though, said the administration told senators Iraq had gone beyond exploring and developed the means of hitting the U.S. with weapons of mass destruction.

Nelson wouldn't say what the original source of the intelligence was, but said it contradicted other intelligence reports senators had received. He said he wants to find out why there was so much disagreement about the weapons. "If that is an intelligence failure . . . we better find that out so we don't have an intelligence failure in the future."

Pike said any UAVs Iraq might have had would have had a range of only several hundred kilometers, enough to hit targets in the Middle East but not the United States. To hit targets on the East Coast, such drones would have to be launched from a ship in Atlantic. He said it wasn't out of the question for Iraq to have secretly acquired a tramp steamer from which such vehicles could have been launched.

"The notion that someone could launch a missile from a ship off our shores has been on Rummy's mind for years," Pike said, referring to Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld.

Sen. Bob Graham, who voted against using military force in Iraq, didn't return phone calls concerning the briefing. Spokespersons for Reps. Dave Weldon and Tom Feeney said neither congressman could say if they had received similar briefings since they don't comment on classified information.!NEW...NELSON.htm

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  - Any word on Clinton campaign dealing with Rev. Harold Mayberry?  zulchzulu   Oct-30-07 11:34 AM   #1 
  - Poll show Obama tied with Clinton in Iowa.  Selatius   Oct-30-07 11:42 AM   #4 
  - Polls? More like one poll. Which had a sample size of about 300. n/t  ElizabethDC   Oct-30-07 11:43 AM   #6 
  - Let me correct that. Statistically speaking, 300 is a sufficient sample size to pass muster.  Selatius   Oct-30-07 11:51 AM   #11 
     - Not a bad poll, but apples and oranges  Kurt_and_Hunter   Oct-30-07 02:14 PM   #23 
  - Wrong spot. n/t  Selatius   Oct-30-07 11:49 AM   #8 
  - No, I don't doubt it, but some here have been critiquing this poll for having  ElizabethDC   Oct-30-07 11:52 AM   #12 
     - True, but in the field of statistics, anything above 100 should return a relatively...  Selatius   Oct-30-07 11:57 AM   #17 
        - The ARG Poll's sample size is 600  Tellurian   Oct-30-07 01:12 PM   #20 
           - Small sample actually - and independent voters cant vote in Dem primary  MalloyLiberal   Oct-30-07 04:42 PM   #31 
              - They can if they're already registered to vote..  Tellurian   Oct-30-07 05:38 PM   #33 
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  - I'm with you Zulaz  surfermaw   Oct-30-07 05:45 PM   #35 
  - And that's why she'll never be able to give Obama a hard time re: McClurkin  thecatburgler   Oct-30-07 11:07 PM   #45 
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     - Bull Shit  Ethelk2044   Oct-30-07 11:50 AM   #9 
     - Would you like to refute the post with facts, or just by calling it BS? n/t  ElizabethDC   Oct-30-07 11:55 AM   #15 
     - So, what else is new Ethel?  Tellurian   Oct-30-07 11:56 AM   #16 
     - I believe we are born with our sexual identity, but then maybe I'm wrong.  peacebird   Oct-30-07 11:54 AM   #14 
        - Yes, you are still confused. McClurkin claims his faith "cured" him..  Tellurian   Oct-30-07 12:01 PM   #18 
  - What I don't understand about polls is, in one poll a large  midnight   Oct-30-07 11:39 AM   #3 
  - I don't know.  Clark2008   Oct-30-07 11:43 AM   #5 
  - Exactly...  Tellurian   Oct-30-07 01:06 PM   #19 
     - WRONG!  kenfrequed   Oct-30-07 02:35 PM   #25 
     - Not True!  Tellurian   Oct-30-07 05:42 PM   #34 
        - Oh be honest  kenfrequed   Oct-30-07 06:18 PM   #39 
           - Cut this honesty crap..  Tellurian   Oct-30-07 09:48 PM   #42 
              - And...  kenfrequed   Oct-30-07 09:51 PM   #43 
                 - Get over yourself..  Tellurian   Oct-30-07 11:00 PM   #44 
                    - sorry  kenfrequed   Oct-31-07 12:25 AM   #51 
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  - Why?  Nedsdag   Oct-30-07 11:50 AM   #10 
  - Because for the umteenth time, the War Vote is not an issue..  Tellurian   Oct-30-07 11:52 AM   #13 
  - How the IWR has been turned into the "War Vote"  desi   Oct-30-07 03:02 PM   #27 
  - The War Vote is not an issue... if you want to say it's not an issue...but...  zulchzulu   Oct-30-07 03:43 PM   #28 
  - Obama's low polling numbers clearly represent resonance with Obama's non-message..  Tellurian   Oct-30-07 05:49 PM   #36 
  - Nope..she said she'll keep combat troops in  MalloyLiberal   Oct-30-07 04:42 PM   #32 
     - "Some" residual troops...NOT ALL!  Tellurian   Oct-30-07 05:50 PM   #37 
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  - I Agree  DemocratSinceBirth   Oct-30-07 04:40 PM   #30 
  - lol nt  Jim4Wes   Oct-30-07 06:25 PM   #40 
  - Not really..  Tellurian   Oct-30-07 06:04 PM   #38 
  - Do you have a post-debate poll handy?  hedgehog   Oct-30-07 11:09 PM   #46 
     - I am with you on that one. I want to see a poll in about a week or so.  Ethelk2044   Oct-30-07 11:14 PM   #49 
        - I'm wondering at the timing of the appearance of this poll.  hedgehog   Oct-30-07 11:15 PM   #50 

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