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82. It's politics, and they're ALL politicians and they're in a race they ALL want to win
Be that Hillary, Obama or Edwards....they almost certainly have their own personal view, which is probably that they want to withdraw the majority of the troops.

However, because they're all running for President, and knowing what vicious little shits the GOP can be, they have to all be somewhat vague about both numbers and timeframes.
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  -Why do any Democrats who want to end the war / and do not want to start another war support Hillary? saracat  Oct-29-07 03:00 PM   #0 
  - No, she doesn't want to end the war.  tekisui   Oct-29-07 03:05 PM   #1 
  - Where has Senator Clinton said that she "doesn't want to end the Iraq War"? n/t  ...of J.Temperance   Oct-29-07 03:07 PM   #3 
     - I know she's said she wants to change the mission.  tekisui   Oct-29-07 03:08 PM   #5 
     - "If you still have a mission, you still have a war."  ...of J.Temperance   Oct-29-07 03:11 PM   #6 
        - There can be no mission. It is an Occupation.  tekisui   Oct-29-07 03:13 PM   #11 
           - In post # 5 you said:  ...of J.Temperance   Oct-29-07 03:21 PM   #26 
              - I can see how that is confusing.  tekisui   Oct-29-07 03:32 PM   #43 
                 - The changing of the mission that Senator Clinton could be meaning  ...of J.Temperance   Oct-29-07 03:48 PM   #65 
                    - But, that is not what she says.  tekisui   Oct-29-07 03:56 PM   #76 
                    - It's politics, and they're ALL politicians and they're in a race they ALL want to win  ...of J.Temperance   Oct-29-07 04:08 PM   #82 
                    - Big Fucking Whoop  ProudDad   Oct-29-07 07:33 PM   #160 
                    - Excuse me, but am I missing something here?  FREEWILL56   Oct-29-07 10:05 PM   #182 
     - As she isn't interested in completely withdrawing troops and hasn't indicated that she  saracat   Oct-29-07 03:12 PM   #9 
     - I think that with regard to withdrawing the troops  ...of J.Temperance   Oct-29-07 03:25 PM   #33 
     - And where has Hillary said that?  tekisui   Oct-29-07 03:34 PM   #47 
        - She hasn't, if you re-read what I wrote, that was MY own personal opinion on what I THINK Hillary  ...of J.Temperance   Oct-29-07 03:43 PM   #59 
     - That's misleading about the 2012  creeksneakers2   Oct-29-07 07:25 PM   #157 
     - Also where is it said she wants to start another one?  William769   Oct-29-07 03:16 PM   #17 
        - Yeah I asked that too....do you hear the crickets chirping like I do?  ...of J.Temperance   Oct-29-07 03:19 PM   #19 
        - Just a daily hissy fit from a certain someone.  William769   Oct-29-07 03:20 PM   #24 
           - How could we help NOT notice..  Tellurian   Oct-29-07 03:29 PM   #40 
           - Hey LET'S SPECULATE shall we....President Hillary Clinton will  ...of J.Temperance   Oct-29-07 03:29 PM   #42 
        - She has taken an agressive stance toward Iran in KYL? Liberman and plaese don't quote the non bindin  saracat   Oct-29-07 03:47 PM   #62 
           - I won't quote anything but I want to see your quote where she wants to start another war.  William769   Oct-29-07 03:50 PM   #67 
           - Here are some lovely quotes that indicate her inclinations.And BTW  saracat   Oct-29-07 04:44 PM   #108 
           - Senator Clinton has had to take a hardline because she's a woman  ...of J.Temperance   Oct-29-07 03:51 PM   #69 
              - That is contemptible.If she feels the need to do that she isn't fit to be C in C.  saracat   Oct-29-07 04:00 PM   #80 
                 - Senator Clinton ISN'T playing "games" n/t  ...of J.Temperance   Oct-29-07 04:10 PM   #83 
                    - Then she isn't just "acting tough"? She really wants to step up aggression in Iran?  saracat   Oct-29-07 04:15 PM   #85 
                    - You are the one that introduced the fact that she has to take a "hardline  saracat   Oct-29-07 04:17 PM   #88 
                       - Yeah that's correct, that's what I said....  ...of J.Temperance   Oct-29-07 04:20 PM   #90 
                       - So knuckling under to create a "perception of strength" is reality? Okay whatever. I am shamed by  saracat   Oct-29-07 04:22 PM   #93 
                          - No "perception of strength"....Senator Clinton is STRONG, she has strength  ...of J.Temperance   Oct-29-07 04:24 PM   #94 
                             - You are the one that brought up the fact that she has to present herself differently because she  saracat   Oct-29-07 04:28 PM   #96 
                       - Also saying her votes for war do to prove herself tough.  FREEWILL56   Oct-29-07 07:46 PM   #164 
                          - Here's that poll of DUers that I refer to.  FREEWILL56   Oct-29-07 09:57 PM   #181 
  - When has Senator Clinton EVER said that she'll start a war with Iran?  ...of J.Temperance   Oct-29-07 03:05 PM   #2 
  - Kyle/Lieberman: Clinton Voted YES  AndyTiedye   Oct-29-07 03:13 PM   #10 
     - Seeing 8 yrs of Congress trying to tie Bubba's FP hands, she'll never vote against...  MookieWilson   Oct-29-07 03:19 PM   #18 
     - So she has to HOLD to that vote IF elected President? Also, Hillary IS a woman  ...of J.Temperance   Oct-29-07 03:32 PM   #44 
        - If that is why she campaigns, she is no real feminist and I have if possible even less respect for  saracat   Oct-29-07 03:51 PM   #68 
        - We're now in the post-Feminist period of history  ...of J.Temperance   Oct-29-07 03:56 PM   #75 
           - But pandering to a perception isn't the answer. Even if she should be elected she will have damaged  saracat   Oct-29-07 04:26 PM   #95 
           - Couldn't She Take After Barbara Lee?  AndyTiedye   Oct-29-07 05:04 PM   #120 
           - I don't agree with that  creeksneakers2   Oct-29-07 07:33 PM   #161 
              - Give me an idea of what policy differences  Jim4Wes   Oct-29-07 08:08 PM   #167 
                 - Sure. And they should go down in flames  creeksneakers2   Oct-29-07 08:26 PM   #171 
                    - Right  Jim4Wes   Oct-29-07 08:32 PM   #173 
                       - That wasn't what I was saying  creeksneakers2   Oct-29-07 08:50 PM   #174 
                          - I would have to see what she has said  Jim4Wes   Oct-29-07 08:56 PM   #175 
        - Coudn't She Take After Barbara Lee?  AndyTiedye   Oct-29-07 06:36 PM   #152 
  - Why do any DUers support Sen Byrd, who killed Universal Health Care in 1993?  cuke   Oct-29-07 03:08 PM   #4 
  - Sen.Byrd isn't the topic He isn't running for President and this isn't about healthcare.  saracat   Oct-29-07 03:15 PM   #15 
  - Why support Byrd when he killed UHC?  cuke   Oct-29-07 03:19 PM   #21 
     - NiCE Tactic.the IRAQ war is the subject.Not healthcare..If you can't answer the question. don't play  saracat   Oct-29-07 03:22 PM   #29 
     - 252,000 deaths - Thanks Sen Byrd  cuke   Oct-29-07 03:25 PM   #34 
     - Are you justifying a war and hillary's support of it because people die from other causes as well?  FREEWILL56   Oct-29-07 03:50 PM   #66 
        - No  cuke   Oct-29-07 03:54 PM   #72 
           - You aren't weighing anything as you blindly push her.  FREEWILL56   Oct-29-07 04:29 PM   #97 
              - No, I am saying  cuke   Oct-29-07 04:36 PM   #104 
                 - Boo hoo he/she is ignoring the me.  FREEWILL56   Oct-29-07 07:26 PM   #158 
  - Typical Hillarybot strawman arguement  HooptieWagon   Oct-29-07 07:20 PM   #155 
  - The irony is that the OP is itself a strawman  Jim4Wes   Oct-29-07 07:22 PM   #156 
  - hillaryCare 2.0  ProudDad   Oct-29-07 07:36 PM   #162 
  - the MSM told them to  AtomicKitten   Oct-29-07 03:12 PM   #7 
  - that's just a silly smear  cali   Oct-29-07 03:24 PM   #32 
  - Really? So you think the MSM is covering all the candidates equally?  AtomicKitten   Oct-29-07 03:34 PM   #48 
     - No. What does that have to do with whether or not  cali   Oct-29-07 04:08 PM   #81 
        - never said "simply"  AtomicKitten   Oct-29-07 04:22 PM   #92 
           - Now that's funny as hell and comes damned close to  cali   Oct-29-07 04:30 PM   #100 
              - I never said she is supported SIMPLY because of the MSM - that's your word  AtomicKitten   Oct-29-07 04:36 PM   #102 
  - Yeah, because we're all too stupid to make our own decisions, so we rely on the MSM to make them  ElizabethDC   Oct-29-07 06:15 PM   #142 
  - Here are a few reasons:  PurityOfEssence   Oct-29-07 03:12 PM   #8 
  - Because of her life long commitment and struggle  cuke   Oct-29-07 03:14 PM   #13 
     - That has nothing to do with the Iraq War. Apparently her "lifelong struggle'  saracat   Oct-29-07 03:19 PM   #20 
        - Apparently, you don't care about americans who die b/c they have no insurance  cuke   Oct-29-07 03:22 PM   #28 
           - Hillary failed in 1993 and she will fail again. All our candidates have healthcare plans  saracat   Oct-29-07 03:26 PM   #36 
           - Byrd killed Universal Health Care in 1993- 252,000 deaths follow  cuke   Oct-29-07 03:27 PM   #37 
              - That is not the topic and the best candidate for heathcare is not the failed heathcare advocate  saracat   Oct-29-07 03:37 PM   #50 
                 - The question is "Why support Hillary" Answer = b/c 16000 die every year  cuke   Oct-29-07 03:41 PM   #57 
                 - Hillary is not in bed with big pharma  creeksneakers2   Oct-29-07 07:45 PM   #163 
           - When did Byrd enter the race?  Laurab   Oct-29-07 07:29 PM   #159 
  - I'm not a liberal...thank the gods. nt.  IndianaJones   Oct-29-07 03:14 PM   #12 
  - Exactly, not ALL Democrats are liberal's....I'm not a liberal either, that DOESN'T mean  ...of J.Temperance   Oct-29-07 03:41 PM   #58 
  - Congressman Jim McGovern does....  SaveElmer   Oct-29-07 03:15 PM   #14 
  - ALL the Dem candidates support withdrawing the troops. It's the timetable...  MookieWilson   Oct-29-07 03:16 PM   #16 
  - All this OP ever does is post a SLAM Hillary thread daily!  Tellurian   Oct-29-07 03:20 PM   #23 
  - See post #24.  William769   Oct-29-07 03:22 PM   #27 
     - Good work, William  cuke   Oct-29-07 03:24 PM   #31 
  - She is the only one AFAIK that advocateds leaving "combat " troops in place  saracat   Oct-29-07 03:21 PM   #25 
     - What are you talking about?  Tellurian   Oct-29-07 03:25 PM   #35 
        - And before that Bill Richardson mentioned that they ALL want to withdraw troops. nt  MookieWilson   Oct-29-07 03:39 PM   #53 
        - richardson is the only one  mike from ri   Oct-29-07 08:25 PM   #170 
        - Hillary is the only candidate ththat references leaving combat troops in place.  saracat   Oct-29-07 03:39 PM   #54 
           - See my post # 33....at least 5,000 troops WILL have to be left in place  ...of J.Temperance   Oct-29-07 04:15 PM   #84 
           - You "imagine" that Hillary will pull out most combat troops?  bvar22   Oct-29-07 09:51 PM   #180 
           - No, you are dead wrong..If you have a link to your statement, I would like to see it..otherwise  Tellurian   Oct-29-07 04:16 PM   #86 
  - frankly, it's hard to imagine why anyone actually supports her....  mike_c   Oct-29-07 03:20 PM   #22 
  - I agree  phen43   Oct-29-07 03:27 PM   #38 
  - No, that RW myth was dispelled long ago..  Tellurian   Oct-29-07 03:33 PM   #45 
  - Dispell it for me then if so.  FREEWILL56   Oct-29-07 09:33 PM   #178 
  - LOL! Hilarious! One of the silliest comments so far....  ...of J.Temperance   Oct-29-07 03:34 PM   #49 
  - Good lard!  ronnykmarshall   Oct-29-07 07:01 PM   #154 
  - You Should Look More Closely Into the Great Khan, Sir  The Magistrate   Oct-29-07 03:29 PM   #41 
     - I was speaking figuratively...  mike_c   Oct-29-07 05:06 PM   #122 
     - Fair Enough, Mr. C  The Magistrate   Oct-30-07 02:44 AM   #183 
     - If circumstances were similar, I would support the benevolent Khan  cuke   Oct-29-07 06:18 PM   #146 
  - First, because she never would have ordered an invasion of Iraq  Jim4Wes   Oct-29-07 03:23 PM   #30 
  - Now that is speculation.i We do not "know" Hillary wouldn't invade another  saracat   Oct-29-07 03:34 PM   #46 
  - We do not "know" Hillary wouldn't invade another country  ...of J.Temperance   Oct-29-07 03:38 PM   #51 
  - She adopted an aggressive stance against Iran by her KYL/LIEBERMAN vote. None of the other candidate...  saracat   Oct-29-07 03:43 PM   #60 
     - Kyl-Lieberman is NON-BINDING n/t  ...of J.Temperance   Oct-29-07 04:57 PM   #116 
        - So what was the non-binding vote on Iraq, just for the hell of it too?  FREEWILL56   Oct-29-07 08:27 PM   #172 
  - We do not "know" Hillary wouldn't invade another country  ...of J.Temperance   Oct-29-07 03:38 PM   #52 
  - You're simply making shit up. I challenge you to provide  Jim4Wes   Oct-29-07 03:39 PM   #55 
     - I asked a question.I do not have to defend my right to ask it.  saracat   Oct-29-07 03:56 PM   #74 
        - I answered your question, and very well I think.  Jim4Wes   Oct-29-07 03:59 PM   #79 
  - indeed she did-- or at least as close as the power of her office allows....  mike_c   Oct-29-07 05:10 PM   #125 
     - Your reading of my post is incorrect  Jim4Wes   Oct-29-07 05:20 PM   #128 
  - Because 16,000 people die for lack of health care  cuke   Oct-29-07 03:28 PM   #39 
  - isn't this about Iraq?  phen43   Oct-29-07 03:40 PM   #56 
     - Poster can't support the reason someone is against the war should support Hillary.It is because  saracat   Oct-29-07 03:45 PM   #61 
     - Your just having a bad day aren't you.  William769   Oct-29-07 03:48 PM   #63 
        - And you refuse to answer the question. All you provide is snark.  saracat   Oct-29-07 03:52 PM   #70 
           - Is there a question?  William769   Oct-29-07 03:55 PM   #73 
     - She is asking "Why support Hillary?"  cuke   Oct-29-07 03:48 PM   #64 
        - Start you own thread on heathcare then. You are thread jacking and it is not cool.  saracat   Oct-29-07 03:53 PM   #71 
        - Oh what a tangled we we weave!  William769   Oct-29-07 03:56 PM   #77 
        - You ask Why vote for HRC? I answer HEALTH CARE  cuke   Oct-29-07 03:56 PM   #78 
        - okay  phen43   Oct-29-07 04:20 PM   #91 
           - Yes, that's exactly it  cuke   Oct-29-07 04:30 PM   #98 
              - thanks for the ideas!!  phen43   Oct-29-07 04:36 PM   #103 
  - Because we don't believe Edwards campaign speeches?  MethuenProgressive   Oct-29-07 04:17 PM   #87 
  - You've distorted all her positions and then ask people why they support her.  pnwmom   Oct-29-07 04:20 PM   #89 
  - I have distorted nothing.Those are her votes and her positions.  saracat   Oct-29-07 04:30 PM   #99 
     - I gave you a link.  William769   Oct-29-07 04:38 PM   #106 
  - Don't worry. Hillary will end this war.  cat_girl25   Oct-29-07 04:33 PM   #101 
  - Hillary has voted for war (IWR) and for more war (Kyl-Lieberman)  AtomicKitten   Oct-29-07 04:37 PM   #105 
  - Is that why she has a double digit lead over Obama?  William769   Oct-29-07 04:39 PM   #107 
  - not in Ohio where it all begins  AtomicKitten   Oct-29-07 04:45 PM   #109 
     - Senator Clinton will win the Ohio Primary  ...of J.Temperance   Oct-29-07 04:49 PM   #112 
     - there you go again - it's a statistical dead heat  AtomicKitten   Oct-29-07 04:50 PM   #114 
        - Obama  ...of J.Temperance   Oct-29-07 05:02 PM   #117 
           - so sayeth you  AtomicKitten   Oct-29-07 05:11 PM   #126 
           - And me and a very large crowd in the GLBT community.  William769   Oct-29-07 05:25 PM   #129 
              - You and the 24 protestors that showed up?  AtomicKitten   Oct-29-07 05:28 PM   #130 
                 - Not all of us are in South Carolina.  William769   Oct-29-07 05:30 PM   #131 
                    - good luck on your HRC-fueled hit job on Obama  AtomicKitten   Oct-29-07 05:32 PM   #132 
                       - No luck is needed.  William769   Oct-29-07 05:33 PM   #133 
                          - Hillary's YES vote on Kyl-Lieberman will be her demise.  AtomicKitten   Oct-29-07 05:36 PM   #134 
                             - So now you want to change the subject?  William769   Oct-29-07 05:38 PM   #135 
                                - If you can make predictions as to the demise of a campaign, so can I.  AtomicKitten   Oct-29-07 05:40 PM   #136 
                                   - Mine is real time, your is fantasy,  William769   Oct-29-07 05:43 PM   #137 
           - Obama wasn't thinking when he promised to run a positive  creeksneakers2   Oct-29-07 08:10 PM   #168 
     - When did I ever declare the primary over?  William769   Oct-29-07 05:03 PM   #118 
     - If everybody here is nice to you  creeksneakers2   Oct-29-07 08:08 PM   #166 
  - Kyl-Lieberman was a NON-BINDING vote....are you aware of that? n/t  ...of J.Temperance   Oct-29-07 04:46 PM   #110 
     - and IWR didn't give Bush the authority to invade Iraq  depakid   Oct-29-07 04:47 PM   #111 
     - I'm neither....I can think of things in a logical and non-hysterical way  ...of J.Temperance   Oct-29-07 04:54 PM   #115 
        - They cannot be convinced...  SaveElmer   Oct-29-07 05:03 PM   #119 
        - I actually wonder if  ...of J.Temperance   Oct-29-07 05:08 PM   #123 
        - You're assuming that this administration is also logical and non-hysterical  depakid   Oct-29-07 05:08 PM   #124 
           - "I see little indication that Hillary differs in an appreciable way with the GOP on this issue"  ...of J.Temperance   Oct-29-07 05:15 PM   #127 
              - Once again, that's naive  depakid   Oct-29-07 05:50 PM   #138 
                 - I'm NOT an Obama fan  ...of J.Temperance   Oct-29-07 06:12 PM   #140 
                    - Again, you can call people what you like  depakid   Oct-29-07 06:22 PM   #148 
                       - Those people are not adults then, they act like Teenage Idealists  ...of J.Temperance   Oct-29-07 06:35 PM   #151 
                          - Nope- not am Obama supporter  depakid   Oct-29-07 08:02 PM   #165 
     - riiiiiiiiiight  AtomicKitten   Oct-29-07 04:49 PM   #113 
     - Was the Iraq War Resolution non binding?  William769   Oct-29-07 05:04 PM   #121 
     - It was a wrong vote just like the Iraq war vote was a wrong vote.  Ethelk2044   Oct-29-07 06:17 PM   #144 
  - I do NOT support Hillary .  weeve   Oct-29-07 05:56 PM   #139 
  - AMEN to THAT!!  phen43   Oct-29-07 06:20 PM   #147 
  - Hillary is not the least electable  creeksneakers2   Oct-29-07 08:17 PM   #169 
  - Haven't you heard? Hillay is supposed to turn left after she is elected....  AntiFascist   Oct-29-07 06:13 PM   #141 
  - Because they really do not want to end the war.  Ethelk2044   Oct-29-07 06:16 PM   #143 
  - bold statement  phen43   Oct-29-07 06:18 PM   #145 
  - As a Hillary supporter, I sincerely believe that she will end the Iraq War  ElizabethDC   Oct-29-07 06:27 PM   #149 
  - Yea sure in what year again, 2012?  FREEWILL56   Oct-29-07 09:50 PM   #179 
  - I wish there was a woman running who I could feel good about  rateyes   Oct-29-07 06:34 PM   #150 
  - Hear Here!!!  Froward69   Oct-29-07 09:33 PM   #177 
  - They should not support her. I don't understand it either.  robinlynne   Oct-29-07 06:57 PM   #153 
  - I'm more worried about her hawkishness towards Iran.  jmp   Oct-29-07 09:33 PM   #176 
 

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