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102. I don't think he's "the worst person in the world" at all.
Nor do I see him as my enemy. But his willing blindness to the pain and damage he has caused is very much my enemy.

Obama has a great deal to learn about LGBT Americans before he can even dream of leading us -- beginning with the fact that we have extremely long memories. (Throw out the names Anita Bryant, Dan White, or even Chik-Fil-A, and every LGBT person with even the mildest interest in his or her own history will react, strongly.)

So, while there are many Obama supporters who will continue to support him, the damage he's done to his own credibility in the LGBT community is significant, and I believe irreparable.

If Obama was merely trying to "reach out," then, as someone on DU said, he overreached. But I find that giving him the benefit of the doubt, on the idea that this was simply a miscalculation and not a deliberate slap in the face to LGBTs, is a generous opinion whose popularity is shrinking rapidly. With each new revelation (and I continue to be stunned by the apparent bottomlessness of this pile of doo-doo he keeps sinking in), the feeling is increasing that ditching-the-gays was most certainly a carefully planned strategy -- which, unfortunately for Obama, resulted in enormous blowback.

The end result: He has destroyed our trust. That's going to be very difficult for him to ever regain, if he can. But before he can, he has to understand why this blew up in his face. Until he gets it, on a visceral level -- in his gut -- he can't even dream of being the "President for all Americans."

P.S. Yes, Rove must be laughing his face off -- Obama took a page right out of the Rove playbook: exploit homophobia to win votes. That works for the Republican Party, whose gay members are too cowed to do anything but thank their masters for the moldy crumbs occasionally tossed their way. Gay Democrats -- thank God -- are an entirely different breed.

You may not like what we have to say, but would you respect us if we willingly took our seats at the back of the bus, without putting up one hell of a fight?
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  -McClurkin at Obama event: "I tell you that God delivered me from homosexuality." ruggerson  Oct-29-07 09:33 AM   #0 
  - That's Barry, say one thing one minute, do something just the  acmavm   Oct-29-07 09:35 AM   #1 
  - he is who he is. God didn't deliver him. He is just using God as a  roguevalley   Oct-29-07 01:11 PM   #86 
  - According to Clay Cane  Karenina   Oct-29-07 01:29 PM   #88 
  - Obama/McClurkin '08 would have a lot of support here on DU.  MethuenProgressive   Oct-30-07 07:06 AM   #112 
  - oh but he's just singing a song  sniffa   Oct-29-07 09:35 AM   #2 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-29-07 09:38 AM   #3 
  - Interesting account in the Times...  QC   Oct-29-07 09:39 AM   #4 
  - BHO must be so proud.  MNDemNY   Oct-29-07 09:41 AM   #5 
  - The best I can say for McClurkin is this  Tom Rinaldo   Oct-29-07 10:52 AM   #66 
     - Before you say that ... check out what Wayne Besen and Team have found out at  Maat   Oct-30-07 12:18 AM   #107 
        - OK, Thanks. All that stuff should be out there for folks to see. n/t  Tom Rinaldo   Oct-30-07 08:37 AM   #116 
           - I'm trying to spread the word ...  Maat   Oct-30-07 06:37 PM   #131 
  - Nothing but the sound of crickets from BHO supporters?  MNDemNY   Oct-29-07 09:42 AM   #6 
  - So much for the "Donnie is just going to sing some songs" stuff.  terrya   Oct-29-07 09:42 AM   #7 
  - Indeed  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Oct-29-07 10:50 AM   #64 
     - I find myself not knowing what to say anymore.  terrya   Oct-29-07 10:59 AM   #69 
        - This straight woman...  Hell Hath No Fury   Oct-29-07 11:39 AM   #79 
        - Agreed  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Oct-29-07 11:52 AM   #81 
        - Agreed  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Oct-29-07 11:52 AM   #82 
        - We've already been accused of "histrionics" over this  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Oct-29-07 11:50 AM   #80 
  - I'm so glad that they worship an awesome god in the blue states.  swag   Oct-29-07 09:43 AM   #8 
  - But...religion's never used for eeeeevil...  PurityOfEssence   Oct-29-07 09:45 AM   #9 
  - That's a nail in Obama's coffin.  AndyA   Oct-29-07 09:45 AM   #10 
  - Yup, stick a fork in 'em.  MNDemNY   Oct-29-07 09:46 AM   #12 
  - You were not voting for him anyway. You were voting for Edwards. Give me a break  FlaxieB   Oct-29-07 09:55 AM   # 
     - The poster is referring to the GE.  MNDemNY   Oct-29-07 09:58 AM   #28 
     - Yes, I'm waiting to hear the explanation from Obama's supporters this morning.  yardwork   Oct-29-07 10:38 AM   #52 
        - Explanation: We are all Hillary supporters and are making too big a deal of it.  QC   Oct-29-07 10:52 AM   #65 
        - Nothing to see here.....move along.  MNDemNY   Oct-29-07 11:03 AM   #71 
        - Thanks for giving me the opportunity  goclark   Oct-29-07 01:16 PM   #87 
           - Thank you for your thoughtful reply.  yardwork   Oct-29-07 02:46 PM   #93 
           - Don't be sad.  Sapphocrat   Oct-29-07 04:14 PM   #98 
           - Thank you yardwork  goclark   Oct-29-07 04:28 PM   #99 
           - I'll tell you one good thing that's come of this.  Sapphocrat   Oct-29-07 04:05 PM   #96 
              - That would be a wonderful thing to come of this.  yardwork   Oct-29-07 04:32 PM   #100 
              - I don't see it that way but who am I-- only one voice  goclark   Oct-29-07 04:35 PM   #101 
                 - I don't think he's "the worst person in the world" at all.  Sapphocrat   Oct-29-07 05:02 PM   #102 
                    - Didn't say you didn't have the right to say what you said  goclark   Oct-29-07 06:32 PM   #103 
                       - I never said you did.  Sapphocrat   Oct-29-07 07:07 PM   #104 
                          - I'm not sure we can get to dialog from here  goclark   Oct-30-07 12:27 AM   #108 
                             - Wow.  Sapphocrat   Oct-30-07 12:41 AM   #109 
     - Making money off this asshole, what part of that do you NOT understand?  William769   Oct-29-07 10:04 AM   #32 
     - Where did I EVER say I was voting for Obama?  AndyA   Oct-29-07 10:04 AM   #33 
     - Hello, any words of support for BHO now?  MNDemNY   Oct-29-07 10:19 AM   #42 
  - That's it! I will never vote for McClurkin!  zulchzulu   Oct-29-07 09:46 AM   #11 
  - keep driving, as the wheels fall off and burn.  MNDemNY   Oct-29-07 09:51 AM   #18 
  - This whole episode is shitty.  terrya   Oct-29-07 09:51 AM   #19 
  - .....  AZDemDist6   Oct-29-07 10:05 AM   #34 
  - I thought this comment from "a gay man" says what should be said  zulchzulu   Oct-29-07 09:59 AM   #29 
  - Listen to the message McClurkin is giving???WTF  MNDemNY   Oct-29-07 10:02 AM   #31 
  - and I can post quotes from IDIOT fucking gays in support of  jonnyblitz   Oct-29-07 10:06 AM   #36 
  - Yeah, yeah, yeah. Tell it to Karl Rove.  yardwork   Oct-29-07 10:36 AM   #50 
  - "A NON-ISSUE"???  CyberPieHole   Oct-29-07 12:55 PM   #85 
     - Stop your sniveling.  Sapphocrat   Oct-29-07 04:07 PM   #97 
  - Fuck. Obama.  asthmaticeog   Oct-29-07 09:47 AM   #13 
  - Thats putting it lightly.  William769   Oct-29-07 10:13 AM   #40 
  - Ditto.  Harvey Korman   Oct-29-07 12:13 PM   # 
  - dupe  Harvey Korman   Oct-29-07 12:13 PM   #83 
  - Well, there you have it. So, Gays in the back of the bus? You bet...  Dhalgren   Oct-29-07 09:47 AM   #14 
  - Not the back of the bus, off to the asylum, gays are ill.  MNDemNY   Oct-29-07 09:49 AM   #17 
  - You're right. And that is even worse. Reminds you of Stalin's "asylums"...  Dhalgren   Oct-29-07 09:52 AM   #21 
     - Nothing else to say but, FUCK B. HUSSAIN OBAMA.  MNDemNY   Oct-29-07 09:54 AM   #24 
  - Only homophobia is negotiable, racism is not  Harvey Korman   Oct-29-07 12:19 PM   #84 
  - Damn  StrongBad   Oct-29-07 09:48 AM   #15 
  - Read the article. There's a lot of detail.  yardwork   Oct-29-07 09:54 AM   #22 
     - I did read it and it was disheartening  StrongBad   Oct-29-07 10:08 AM   #38 
  - I'm speechless.  Fran Kubelik   Oct-29-07 09:49 AM   #16 
  - Obama staff were inside and outside the building, working the crowd and trying to register new voter  rodeodance   Oct-29-07 09:52 AM   #20 
  - Obama, while not present, appeared on a videotaped message to the crowd, saying,  rodeodance   Oct-29-07 09:54 AM   #23 
     - Looks like the Oprah endorsement really did end up having an big impact  cuke   Oct-29-07 11:20 AM   #75 
  - I'll never understand why people think they can reach out to bigots. n/t  katsy   Oct-29-07 09:54 AM   #25 
  - I was one that backed Obama on this  SecularMotion   Oct-29-07 09:55 AM   #26 
  - And if he does not?  MNDemNY   Oct-29-07 09:59 AM   #30 
     - Then I wouldn't back him in the primaries  SecularMotion   Oct-29-07 10:19 AM   #43 
        - Fair enough.IMO his chances for the nod are sinking fast.  MNDemNY   Oct-29-07 10:21 AM   #44 
  - what bothers me about this  ccpup   Oct-29-07 09:58 AM   #27 
  - What. The. Fuck.  FredScuttle   Oct-29-07 10:06 AM   #35 
  - Obama isn't looking for support from people like us  info being   Oct-29-07 10:07 AM   #37 
  - God delivered *me* a pizza!  shenmue   Oct-29-07 10:08 AM   #39 
  - God gave me a great parking spot! And a sweater on clearance!  youthere   Oct-29-07 10:44 AM   #57 
     - All I got was a rock.  MNDemNY   Oct-29-07 10:46 AM   #59 
        - poor Charlie Brown.  youthere   Oct-29-07 10:50 AM   #63 
  - Stunning.  Karenina   Oct-29-07 10:15 AM   #41 
  - Damn. I'm surprised by that....  NC_Nurse   Oct-29-07 10:23 AM   #45 
  - If Obama learned any lessons from the 1st reactions to his putting McClurkin on the bill  Tom Rinaldo   Oct-29-07 10:24 AM   #46 
  - Doesn't ANYONE have time-stamped  Karenina   Oct-29-07 10:31 AM   #47 
     - This morning, I'd even take a photo-shopped one.  MNDemNY   Oct-29-07 10:36 AM   #51 
     - Have you seen this?  Karenina   Oct-29-07 10:42 AM   #55 
        - I just spit on my monitor!  ronnykmarshall   Oct-29-07 02:22 PM   #91 
           - Laws-amighty, Ronny! I admit  Karenina   Oct-29-07 03:44 PM   #94 
              - Go on w/ that skinny old black ass of yours!  ronnykmarshall   Oct-29-07 07:10 PM   #105 
     - Apparently he is still gay and still having sex with men.  yardwork   Oct-29-07 10:42 AM   #54 
  - I started out hoping Obama would inspire me and many others.  Oregonian   Oct-29-07 10:31 AM   #48 
  - This is a perfect example of what is wrong with the primary schedule  tired_old_fireman   Oct-29-07 10:35 AM   #49 
  - Our political season has become  asjr   Oct-29-07 10:39 AM   #53 
  - Vetting? McClurkin was clearly chosen BECAUSE of his bigoted stance.  yardwork   Oct-29-07 10:43 AM   #56 
  - I wasn't willing to believe that at first...  SaveElmer   Oct-29-07 11:37 AM   #78 
  - If he were,in fact,"blindsided" he had ample time to correct, and did not.  MNDemNY   Oct-29-07 10:45 AM   #58 
  - The Human Rights Campaign asked Obama to remove him from this event.  terrya   Oct-29-07 10:48 AM   #60 
  - This isn't politics as usual,  seasonedblue   Oct-29-07 10:48 AM   #61 
  - This is just foul. Why would Obama even want to be associated with this jackass?  LeftCoast   Oct-29-07 10:50 AM   #62 
  - Never mix ammonia and bleach.  Karenina   Oct-29-07 11:01 AM   #70 
  - I believe this entire event/separation was planned by the Obama campaign.  DURHAM D   Oct-29-07 10:55 AM   #67 
  - As I said elsewhere, we are his Sister Souljah.  QC   Oct-29-07 11:05 AM   #72 
  - His convention speech was a good looking man in a tailored suit  wiley   Oct-30-07 01:52 AM   #110 
  - We told you so  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Oct-29-07 10:57 AM   #68 
  - I'm very disappointed by this news  tishaLA   Oct-29-07 11:08 AM   #73 
  - God---is there anything he can't do?  chimpsrsmarter   Oct-29-07 11:15 AM   #74 
  - I was willing to give Obama the benefit of the doubt...  SaveElmer   Oct-29-07 11:31 AM   #76 
  - I'm with you start to finish on this SaveElmer n/t  Tom Rinaldo   Oct-29-07 11:33 AM   #77 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-30-07 08:20 AM   #114 
  - Is this statement verified? nt.  IndianaJones   Oct-29-07 01:32 PM   #89 
  - TPM link  Kurt_and_Hunter   Oct-29-07 03:48 PM   #95 
  - Obama supporter asks for a response from Barack on the Obama blog  swag   Oct-29-07 01:52 PM   #90 
  - Amen! Hallelujah!  Bluebear   Oct-29-07 02:34 PM   #92 
  - Fucking DISGUSTING  ...of J.Temperance   Oct-29-07 07:21 PM   #106 
  - Obama has said nothing which shows him as a bigot. Provide for a link to your LIE please.  Ethelk2044   Oct-30-07 08:21 AM   #115 
     - He gave a platform to a bigot and a liar, same as if it was Ann Coulter or Rush Limbaugh.  mondo joe   Oct-30-07 08:40 AM   #117 
     - Obama gave high praise to that POS bigot McClurkin  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Oct-30-07 09:50 AM   #121 
  - I don't know if this has been said before  uriel1972   Oct-30-07 02:44 AM   #111 
  - Hard to believe  kenfrequed   Oct-30-07 07:59 AM   #113 
  - Well, it's possible...  Baby Snooks   Oct-30-07 09:28 AM   #118 
  - the real problem  wheresthemind   Oct-30-07 09:31 AM   #119 
  - No, the real problem is excusing and minimizing bigotry  FredScuttle   Oct-30-07 09:43 AM   #120 
     - speaking of reasonable  wheresthemind   Oct-30-07 09:56 AM   #122 
        - So....I'm the bigot for opposing bigotry?  FredScuttle   Oct-30-07 10:07 AM   #123 
           - unbelievable, eh?  jonnyblitz   Oct-30-07 10:13 AM   #124 
  - That's too bad  Canuckistanian   Oct-30-07 10:36 AM   #125 
  - A while back, I pointed out that Obama was inexperienced  riqster   Oct-30-07 11:19 AM   #126 
  - I think we can all agree with was a mistake on Obama's part  mvd   Oct-30-07 11:22 AM   #127 
  - anti-Ex-gay resources  TrogL   Oct-30-07 11:37 AM   #128 
  - Wouldn't Obama's voting record  LanternWaste   Oct-30-07 01:16 PM   #129 
     - Wouldn't a very recent decision by Obama on his choice of campaign event entertainment  FredScuttle   Oct-30-07 02:28 PM   #130 

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