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Thu Oct-25-07 10:54 PM
Response to Reply #8 |
| 98. It's completely different when you're an incumbent |
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Read up on how efficient travel on Air Force One is.
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| -Was Obama naive for not showing up to vote on Kyl-Lieberman? |
Lirwin2 |
Oct-25-07 06:54 PM |
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The story is that he didn't know there'd be a vote. |
MethuenProgressive |
Oct-25-07 06:57 PM |
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on a gospel tour? nt |
msongs |
Oct-25-07 06:58 PM |
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He put out a statement saying he's against it. If it was going to be a close vote he'd have |
jenmito |
Oct-25-07 07:19 PM |
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Sorry, if you don't vote, then you have no right to bitch. |
cobalt1999 |
Oct-25-07 07:33 PM |
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Says you. He made his position clear. |
jenmito |
Oct-25-07 08:58 PM |
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Says you? |
cobalt1999 |
Oct-25-07 10:51 PM |
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Not the best excuse. |
Basileus Basileon |
Oct-25-07 07:19 PM |
#8 |
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It's completely different when you're an incumbent |
Hippo_Tron |
Oct-25-07 10:54 PM |
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Wow- The majority has spoken.. |
Tellurian |
Oct-26-07 07:43 AM |
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He wanted to be able to jump on which ever side got the story |
Bitwit1234 |
Oct-25-07 07:15 PM |
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He released a statement the day of the vote. |
jefferson_dem |
Oct-25-07 07:18 PM |
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Because if public opinion on Iran shifts, nobody can do a hit piece saying, |
Basileus Basileon |
Oct-25-07 07:20 PM |
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Bingo! |
Lirwin2 |
Oct-25-07 07:27 PM |
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That's more Hillary's MO. But instead of not voting, she votes both ways |
jenmito |
Oct-25-07 07:29 PM |
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What a strange response. |
Basileus Basileon |
Oct-25-07 07:32 PM |
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No defense of his non-vote. He put out a statement right away. |
jenmito |
Oct-25-07 07:43 PM |
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His non-vote was an act of political cowardice. |
Basileus Basileon |
Oct-25-07 07:46 PM |
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No it wasn't. He wasn't there and made it very clear of his position. And the fact that you agree |
jenmito |
Oct-25-07 08:03 PM |
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What makes you say that? |
Basileus Basileon |
Oct-25-07 08:08 PM |
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She votes strategically, not morally. She voted FOR the war when it was popular |
jenmito |
Oct-25-07 08:53 PM |
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And yet you haven't come across a single policy difference between the two. |
Basileus Basileon |
Oct-25-07 09:01 PM |
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He was against the IWR when it was popular to be FOR it... |
jenmito |
Oct-25-07 09:19 PM |
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Pretty damn easy to be "against" it |
Basileus Basileon |
Oct-25-07 10:24 PM |
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Um, he was an IL state senator at the time and DID have cameras on him |
jenmito |
Oct-26-07 11:12 AM |
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Thats silly |
Jim4Wes |
Oct-25-07 07:34 PM |
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This is silly. He has been on record again and again saying he was opposed to the amendment and |
Mass |
Oct-25-07 07:39 PM |
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I guess we'll just have to believe him then? |
Jim4Wes |
Oct-25-07 07:41 PM |
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Perhaps he just didn't want to break his streak |
Basileus Basileon |
Oct-25-07 07:43 PM |
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You should win something |
Jim4Wes |
Oct-25-07 07:44 PM |
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Sure. Which is why he said he opposed the vote the same day Clinton voted YES. |
Mass |
Oct-25-07 07:46 PM |
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It was after the vote. Convenient no? n/t |
Jim4Wes |
Oct-25-07 07:48 PM |
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At which time he did NOT copy her vote. BTW, most other votes Hillary voted AFTER Obama. |
jenmito |
Oct-25-07 07:52 PM |
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So which is it? |
Basileus Basileon |
Oct-25-07 07:55 PM |
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I'm no Clinton supporter. nt |
Basileus Basileon |
Oct-25-07 07:54 PM |
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Does that mean that you disagree with your candidate or that you are a freeper? |
Mass |
Oct-25-07 07:55 PM |
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That means I disagree with Mr. Edwards on this particular vote, but |
Basileus Basileon |
Oct-25-07 07:58 PM |
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I consider that out of line. |
Jim4Wes |
Oct-25-07 08:01 PM |
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Well, I'm leaning Edwards, but not committed. |
Basileus Basileon |
Oct-25-07 08:04 PM |
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Hope you stick around. n/t |
Jim4Wes |
Oct-25-07 08:09 PM |
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So you disagree with them on this issue. It was exactly my question. |
Mass |
Oct-25-07 08:36 PM |
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See post #36. |
Basileus Basileon |
Oct-25-07 08:37 PM |
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That he was in ME the day before? He was. Why do you want to reinvent history. |
Mass |
Oct-25-07 07:43 PM |
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Candidate events for Septemebr 25th |
rinsd |
Oct-25-07 08:36 PM |
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What are you trying to prove with this schedule. |
Mass |
Oct-25-07 08:41 PM |
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So you're saying that if the vote happened the evening of the 25th Obama would have been in Maine? |
rinsd |
Oct-25-07 08:45 PM |
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If you included "and then attacked Hillary for her vote" |
Jim4Wes |
Oct-25-07 07:16 PM |
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He should've been there |
bigwillq |
Oct-25-07 07:18 PM |
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So, was he supposed to fly from ME (or NH) to DC and back to NH? |
Mass |
Oct-25-07 07:37 PM |
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I would like to know |
bigwillq |
Oct-25-07 07:41 PM |
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No. This has been said again and again. Read the Senate's records. |
Mass |
Oct-25-07 07:45 PM |
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Thanks for bringing that to my attention (nt) |
bigwillq |
Oct-25-07 07:57 PM |
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Yes read the actual Senate records not the edited ones proffered by Obama supporters |
rinsd |
Oct-25-07 08:19 PM |
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When were they notified there would be a vote that day. And did you expect Obama to flight from NH |
Mass |
Oct-25-07 08:35 PM |
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If he believed that this vote might lead to war, |
Basileus Basileon |
Oct-25-07 09:02 PM |
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Name removed |
Oct-25-07 07:27 PM |
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He did not even sell him out. The vote was not even close and each presidential campaign |
Mass |
Oct-25-07 07:37 PM |
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One. More. Time. Top Hillary staffer Rory Reid's dad Harry pulled a bait-and-switch on Obama. |
DemFemme |
Oct-25-07 07:48 PM |
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Do not bother. They will not read. They do not need the truth. |
Mass |
Oct-25-07 07:52 PM |
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LOL I know. I am hoping non-Hillarians are interested in the truth (plus links). |
DemFemme |
Oct-25-07 08:06 PM |
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The truth? You do know the other poster cut the quote and left out info, right? |
rinsd |
Oct-25-07 08:17 PM |
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You wouldn't know the truth if I posted it. Try again, Hillarian BS artist #10. n/t |
DemFemme |
Oct-25-07 08:31 PM |
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So why did you cut off the quote? |
rinsd |
Oct-25-07 08:37 PM |
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Your quote actually makes my point. Reid decided the date and time of the vote at the last minute. |
Mass |
Oct-25-07 08:45 PM |
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Last minute? It was a continuation of the previous evening. |
rinsd |
Oct-25-07 08:50 PM |
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Wrong. It was the same evening. n/t |
DemFemme |
Oct-25-07 10:30 PM |
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So Obama doesn't know that votes can come up all of a sudden? |
cuke |
Oct-26-07 12:56 AM |
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And fly back to NH immediately after. Thanks for global warming. |
Mass |
Oct-25-07 08:32 PM |
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If it was as an important vote as he claims it was he would have been available. |
rinsd |
Oct-25-07 08:41 PM |
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No, I am just trying to place my arguments to the level of yours. |
Mass |
Oct-25-07 08:44 PM |
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Excellent points. |
DemFemme |
Oct-25-07 08:42 PM |
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Speaking of truth, why did Hillary vote for another blank check for war AGAIN? n/t |
DemFemme |
Oct-25-07 08:38 PM |
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Same reason Obama did. |
Basileus Basileon |
Oct-25-07 09:11 PM |
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I was speaking of the Kyl-Lieberman vote. n/t |
DemFemme |
Oct-25-07 10:31 PM |
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Ah, that's the problem then. Kyl-Lieberman does not authorize war. nt |
Basileus Basileon |
Oct-25-07 10:32 PM |
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Yeah, yeah, neither did IWR according to Hillary. Twice fooled.... |
DemFemme |
Oct-25-07 10:47 PM |
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Senator Jim Webb is a politician. |
Basileus Basileon |
Oct-25-07 10:57 PM |
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Sen. Jim Webb doesn't bullsh*t or triangulate about war, imo. |
DemFemme |
Oct-25-07 11:03 PM |
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No matter how many times you repeat that smear does not make it true. |
rinsd |
Oct-25-07 08:13 PM |
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I have no issues with Obama not voting on this bill. |
Basileus Basileon |
Oct-25-07 08:16 PM |
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Actually I don't have aproblem with his attacking CLinton on the vote. |
rinsd |
Oct-25-07 08:20 PM |
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Its both together |
Jim4Wes |
Oct-25-07 08:39 PM |
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That's exactly what I've been saying. |
seasonedblue |
Oct-25-07 08:29 PM |
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Hearing the word "smear" from you is truly amusing. Repeat: Obama had no time to get back. |
DemFemme |
Oct-25-07 08:45 PM |
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He had no intention of bothering to vote on this. |
rinsd |
Oct-25-07 08:48 PM |
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So now you're Obama's Brain? |
DemFemme |
Oct-25-07 08:51 PM |
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Obama sat on the sidelines. |
rinsd |
Oct-25-07 08:53 PM |
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Obama got sidelined by top Hillary staffer Rory Reid's daddy Harry. |
DemFemme |
Oct-25-07 08:55 PM |
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LOL now you're reduced to tinfoil!!!!!! |
rinsd |
Oct-25-07 09:12 PM |
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Not at all. Reid removed an advantage from Obama with which to question Hillary's vote |
DemFemme |
Oct-25-07 10:18 PM |
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Ohhh how far down does the rabbit hole go..... |
rinsd |
Oct-25-07 10:57 PM |
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The rabbit hole Hillary is taking us down is paved with dead bodies. |
DemFemme |
Oct-25-07 11:22 PM |
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So Reid gives her political cover by having her thrown to the wolves that evening at the debate? |
rinsd |
Oct-25-07 11:29 PM |
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Reread my above answer. Lather, rinsd, repeat. n/t |
DemFemme |
Oct-25-07 11:31 PM |
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Here's your above point |
rinsd |
Oct-25-07 11:34 PM |
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Reid and Hillary obviously didn't anticipate the firestorm her vote would cause. |
DemFemme |
Oct-25-07 11:48 PM |
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"Reid and Hillary obviously didn't anticipate the firestorm her vote would cause." |
rinsd |
Oct-25-07 11:53 PM |
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You didn't get high marks in Logic 101, did you? Again: Lather, rinsd, repeat. n/t |
DemFemme |
Oct-26-07 12:00 AM |
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Logic? |
rinsd |
Oct-26-07 12:07 AM |
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Logical deduction from K-L bill: Hillary voted for another black check for war AGAIN |
DemFemme |
Oct-26-07 12:25 AM |
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That is simply incorrect. |
Basileus Basileon |
Oct-26-07 12:30 AM |
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Jimmy Carter, Mario Cuomo, Sens. Webb, Tester, Cantwell et al, John Dean, etc. disagree with you |
DemFemme |
Oct-26-07 12:41 AM |
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K-L may be a moral justification for war, of sorts, |
Basileus Basileon |
Oct-26-07 12:49 AM |
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More than that or else Carter, Cuomo, Webb et al wouldn't have bothered speaking out against it |
DemFemme |
Oct-26-07 12:57 AM |
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if Hillary was so certain it was for diplomacy why did she run for cover with Webb;'s bill. |
illinoisprogressive |
Oct-25-07 08:49 PM |
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Speaking of which, why hasn't he signed on to Webb's bill? |
rinsd |
Oct-25-07 08:52 PM |
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Because there's no way in hell Webb's bill will pass. He's not into window dressing like Hillary. |
DemFemme |
Oct-25-07 09:03 PM |
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So instead of triangulation he is going for no stand at all...interesting. |
rinsd |
Oct-25-07 09:08 PM |
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Has Hillary returned the Chinese sweatshop money yet? n/t |
DemFemme |
Oct-25-07 09:18 PM |
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Apparently |
Jim4Wes |
Oct-25-07 08:52 PM |
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So explain then... |
SaveElmer |
Oct-25-07 08:55 PM |
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Bingo. He thought it would pass, he did not know Hillary would vote for it. |
rinsd |
Oct-25-07 09:10 PM |
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That's one of the problems. |
seasonedblue |
Oct-26-07 07:33 PM |
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Doesn't matter either way cuz HE DIDN'T VOTE YES ON IT. |
AtomicKitten |
Oct-25-07 08:51 PM |
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speaking of Naive |
Capn Sunshine |
Oct-25-07 09:00 PM |
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I guess they'll wait to attack |
Jim4Wes |
Oct-25-07 09:06 PM |
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War without end, Amen |
Capn Sunshine |
Oct-25-07 09:10 PM |
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Another bullshit push poll? |
martymar64 |
Oct-25-07 09:21 PM |
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Ewwh... Just saw Obama's new campaign ad on tv. |
Tellurian |
Oct-25-07 09:33 PM |
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LOL! |
Lirwin2 |
Oct-25-07 11:19 PM |
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Bullshit. Hillary Supporter smear as always |
FlaxieB |
Oct-26-07 07:59 AM |
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I wish it were naivety |
wlucinda |
Oct-26-07 12:17 AM |
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I like Obama |
fujiyama |
Oct-26-07 12:54 AM |
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HEY it wasn't his fault!!! |
phen43 |
Oct-26-07 11:15 AM |
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at least he didn't vote "yes" like Hillary |
Think82 |
Oct-26-07 07:21 PM |
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At least he didn't care enough to vote |
Lirwin2 |
Oct-27-07 12:22 PM |
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Unfortunately, Yes. |
Catchawave |
Oct-26-07 07:22 PM |
#124 |
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