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  -Was Obama naive for not showing up to vote on Kyl-Lieberman? Lirwin2  Oct-25-07 06:54 PM   #0 
  - The story is that he didn't know there'd be a vote.  MethuenProgressive   Oct-25-07 06:57 PM   #1 
  - on a gospel tour? nt  msongs   Oct-25-07 06:58 PM   #2 
  - He put out a statement saying he's against it. If it was going to be a close vote he'd have  jenmito   Oct-25-07 07:19 PM   #7 
  - Sorry, if you don't vote, then you have no right to bitch.  cobalt1999   Oct-25-07 07:33 PM   #14 
     - Says you. He made his position clear.  jenmito   Oct-25-07 08:58 PM   #76 
        - Says you?  cobalt1999   Oct-25-07 10:51 PM   #97 
  - Not the best excuse.  Basileus Basileon   Oct-25-07 07:19 PM   #8 
  - It's completely different when you're an incumbent  Hippo_Tron   Oct-25-07 10:54 PM   #98 
  - Wow- The majority has spoken..  Tellurian   Oct-26-07 07:43 AM   #119 
  - He wanted to be able to jump on which ever side got the story  Bitwit1234   Oct-25-07 07:15 PM   #3 
  - He released a statement the day of the vote.  jefferson_dem   Oct-25-07 07:18 PM   #5 
     - Because if public opinion on Iran shifts, nobody can do a hit piece saying,  Basileus Basileon   Oct-25-07 07:20 PM   #9 
        - Bingo!  Lirwin2   Oct-25-07 07:27 PM   #10 
        - That's more Hillary's MO. But instead of not voting, she votes both ways  jenmito   Oct-25-07 07:29 PM   #12 
        - What a strange response.  Basileus Basileon   Oct-25-07 07:32 PM   #13 
        - No defense of his non-vote. He put out a statement right away.  jenmito   Oct-25-07 07:43 PM   #22 
           - His non-vote was an act of political cowardice.  Basileus Basileon   Oct-25-07 07:46 PM   #26 
              - No it wasn't. He wasn't there and made it very clear of his position. And the fact that you agree  jenmito   Oct-25-07 08:03 PM   #38 
                 - What makes you say that?  Basileus Basileon   Oct-25-07 08:08 PM   #41 
                    - She votes strategically, not morally. She voted FOR the war when it was popular  jenmito   Oct-25-07 08:53 PM   #73 
                       - And yet you haven't come across a single policy difference between the two.  Basileus Basileon   Oct-25-07 09:01 PM   #78 
                          - He was against the IWR when it was popular to be FOR it...  jenmito   Oct-25-07 09:19 PM   #88 
                             - Pretty damn easy to be "against" it  Basileus Basileon   Oct-25-07 10:24 PM   #92 
                                - Um, he was an IL state senator at the time and DID have cameras on him  jenmito   Oct-26-07 11:12 AM   #121 
        - Thats silly  Jim4Wes   Oct-25-07 07:34 PM   #15 
        - This is silly. He has been on record again and again saying he was opposed to the amendment and  Mass   Oct-25-07 07:39 PM   #18 
           - I guess we'll just have to believe him then?  Jim4Wes   Oct-25-07 07:41 PM   #20 
              - Perhaps he just didn't want to break his streak  Basileus Basileon   Oct-25-07 07:43 PM   #21 
              - You should win something  Jim4Wes   Oct-25-07 07:44 PM   #24 
              - Sure. Which is why he said he opposed the vote the same day Clinton voted YES.  Mass   Oct-25-07 07:46 PM   #27 
                 - It was after the vote. Convenient no? n/t  Jim4Wes   Oct-25-07 07:48 PM   #29 
                 - At which time he did NOT copy her vote. BTW, most other votes Hillary voted AFTER Obama.  jenmito   Oct-25-07 07:52 PM   #30 
                    - So which is it?  Basileus Basileon   Oct-25-07 07:55 PM   #33 
                 - I'm no Clinton supporter. nt  Basileus Basileon   Oct-25-07 07:54 PM   #32 
                    - Does that mean that you disagree with your candidate or that you are a freeper?  Mass   Oct-25-07 07:55 PM   #34 
                       - That means I disagree with Mr. Edwards on this particular vote, but  Basileus Basileon   Oct-25-07 07:58 PM   #36 
                       - I consider that out of line.  Jim4Wes   Oct-25-07 08:01 PM   #37 
                          - Well, I'm leaning Edwards, but not committed.  Basileus Basileon   Oct-25-07 08:04 PM   #39 
                             - Hope you stick around. n/t  Jim4Wes   Oct-25-07 08:09 PM   #42 
                             - So you disagree with them on this issue. It was exactly my question.  Mass   Oct-25-07 08:36 PM   #53 
                                - See post #36.  Basileus Basileon   Oct-25-07 08:37 PM   #55 
              - That he was in ME the day before? He was. Why do you want to reinvent history.  Mass   Oct-25-07 07:43 PM   #23 
                 - Candidate events for Septemebr 25th  rinsd   Oct-25-07 08:36 PM   #52 
                    - What are you trying to prove with this schedule.  Mass   Oct-25-07 08:41 PM   #59 
                       - So you're saying that if the vote happened the evening of the 25th Obama would have been in Maine?  rinsd   Oct-25-07 08:45 PM   #63 
  - If you included "and then attacked Hillary for her vote"  Jim4Wes   Oct-25-07 07:16 PM   #4 
  - He should've been there  bigwillq   Oct-25-07 07:18 PM   #6 
  - So, was he supposed to fly from ME (or NH) to DC and back to NH?  Mass   Oct-25-07 07:37 PM   #17 
     - I would like to know  bigwillq   Oct-25-07 07:41 PM   #19 
        - No. This has been said again and again. Read the Senate's records.  Mass   Oct-25-07 07:45 PM   #25 
           - Thanks for bringing that to my attention (nt)  bigwillq   Oct-25-07 07:57 PM   #35 
           - Yes read the actual Senate records not the edited ones proffered by Obama supporters  rinsd   Oct-25-07 08:19 PM   #46 
              - When were they notified there would be a vote that day. And did you expect Obama to flight from NH  Mass   Oct-25-07 08:35 PM   #51 
                 - If he believed that this vote might lead to war,  Basileus Basileon   Oct-25-07 09:02 PM   #79 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-25-07 07:27 PM   #11 
  - He did not even sell him out. The vote was not even close and each presidential campaign  Mass   Oct-25-07 07:37 PM   #16 
  - One. More. Time. Top Hillary staffer Rory Reid's dad Harry pulled a bait-and-switch on Obama.  DemFemme   Oct-25-07 07:48 PM   #28 
  - Do not bother. They will not read. They do not need the truth.  Mass   Oct-25-07 07:52 PM   #31 
  - LOL I know. I am hoping non-Hillarians are interested in the truth (plus links).  DemFemme   Oct-25-07 08:06 PM   #40 
  - The truth? You do know the other poster cut the quote and left out info, right?  rinsd   Oct-25-07 08:17 PM   #45 
     - You wouldn't know the truth if I posted it. Try again, Hillarian BS artist #10. n/t  DemFemme   Oct-25-07 08:31 PM   #49 
     - So why did you cut off the quote?  rinsd   Oct-25-07 08:37 PM   #54 
        - Your quote actually makes my point. Reid decided the date and time of the vote at the last minute.  Mass   Oct-25-07 08:45 PM   #64 
           - Last minute? It was a continuation of the previous evening.  rinsd   Oct-25-07 08:50 PM   #67 
              - Wrong. It was the same evening. n/t  DemFemme   Oct-25-07 10:30 PM   #93 
                 - So Obama doesn't know that votes can come up all of a sudden?  cuke   Oct-26-07 12:56 AM   #117 
     - And fly back to NH immediately after. Thanks for global warming.  Mass   Oct-25-07 08:32 PM   #50 
     - If it was as an important vote as he claims it was he would have been available.  rinsd   Oct-25-07 08:41 PM   #58 
     - No, I am just trying to place my arguments to the level of yours.  Mass   Oct-25-07 08:44 PM   #61 
     - Excellent points.  DemFemme   Oct-25-07 08:42 PM   #60 
     - Speaking of truth, why did Hillary vote for another blank check for war AGAIN? n/t  DemFemme   Oct-25-07 08:38 PM   #56 
        - Same reason Obama did.  Basileus Basileon   Oct-25-07 09:11 PM   #85 
           - I was speaking of the Kyl-Lieberman vote. n/t  DemFemme   Oct-25-07 10:31 PM   #94 
              - Ah, that's the problem then. Kyl-Lieberman does not authorize war. nt  Basileus Basileon   Oct-25-07 10:32 PM   #95 
                 - Yeah, yeah, neither did IWR according to Hillary. Twice fooled....  DemFemme   Oct-25-07 10:47 PM   #96 
                    - Senator Jim Webb is a politician.  Basileus Basileon   Oct-25-07 10:57 PM   #99 
                       - Sen. Jim Webb doesn't bullsh*t or triangulate about war, imo.  DemFemme   Oct-25-07 11:03 PM   #101 
  - No matter how many times you repeat that smear does not make it true.  rinsd   Oct-25-07 08:13 PM   #43 
     - I have no issues with Obama not voting on this bill.  Basileus Basileon   Oct-25-07 08:16 PM   #44 
     - Actually I don't have aproblem with his attacking CLinton on the vote.  rinsd   Oct-25-07 08:20 PM   #47 
     - Its both together  Jim4Wes   Oct-25-07 08:39 PM   #57 
     - That's exactly what I've been saying.  seasonedblue   Oct-25-07 08:29 PM   #48 
     - Hearing the word "smear" from you is truly amusing. Repeat: Obama had no time to get back.  DemFemme   Oct-25-07 08:45 PM   #62 
        - He had no intention of bothering to vote on this.  rinsd   Oct-25-07 08:48 PM   #65 
        - So now you're Obama's Brain?  DemFemme   Oct-25-07 08:51 PM   #69 
           - Obama sat on the sidelines.  rinsd   Oct-25-07 08:53 PM   #72 
              - Obama got sidelined by top Hillary staffer Rory Reid's daddy Harry.  DemFemme   Oct-25-07 08:55 PM   #74 
                 - LOL now you're reduced to tinfoil!!!!!!  rinsd   Oct-25-07 09:12 PM   #86 
                    - Not at all. Reid removed an advantage from Obama with which to question Hillary's vote  DemFemme   Oct-25-07 10:18 PM   #91 
                       - Ohhh how far down does the rabbit hole go.....  rinsd   Oct-25-07 10:57 PM   #100 
                          - The rabbit hole Hillary is taking us down is paved with dead bodies.  DemFemme   Oct-25-07 11:22 PM   #103 
                             - So Reid gives her political cover by having her thrown to the wolves that evening at the debate?  rinsd   Oct-25-07 11:29 PM   #104 
                                - Reread my above answer. Lather, rinsd, repeat. n/t  DemFemme   Oct-25-07 11:31 PM   #105 
                                   - Here's your above point  rinsd   Oct-25-07 11:34 PM   #106 
                                      - Reid and Hillary obviously didn't anticipate the firestorm her vote would cause.  DemFemme   Oct-25-07 11:48 PM   #107 
                                         - "Reid and Hillary obviously didn't anticipate the firestorm her vote would cause."  rinsd   Oct-25-07 11:53 PM   #108 
                                            - You didn't get high marks in Logic 101, did you? Again: Lather, rinsd, repeat. n/t  DemFemme   Oct-26-07 12:00 AM   #109 
                                               - Logic?  rinsd   Oct-26-07 12:07 AM   #110 
                                                  - Logical deduction from K-L bill: Hillary voted for another black check for war AGAIN  DemFemme   Oct-26-07 12:25 AM   #112 
                                                  - That is simply incorrect.  Basileus Basileon   Oct-26-07 12:30 AM   #113 
                                                  - Jimmy Carter, Mario Cuomo, Sens. Webb, Tester, Cantwell et al, John Dean, etc. disagree with you  DemFemme   Oct-26-07 12:41 AM   #114 
                                                  - K-L may be a moral justification for war, of sorts,  Basileus Basileon   Oct-26-07 12:49 AM   #115 
                                                  - More than that or else Carter, Cuomo, Webb et al wouldn't have bothered speaking out against it  DemFemme   Oct-26-07 12:57 AM   #118 
        - if Hillary was so certain it was for diplomacy why did she run for cover with Webb;'s bill.  illinoisprogressive   Oct-25-07 08:49 PM   #66 
        - Speaking of which, why hasn't he signed on to Webb's bill?  rinsd   Oct-25-07 08:52 PM   #70 
        - Because there's no way in hell Webb's bill will pass. He's not into window dressing like Hillary.  DemFemme   Oct-25-07 09:03 PM   #80 
           - So instead of triangulation he is going for no stand at all...interesting.  rinsd   Oct-25-07 09:08 PM   #82 
              - Has Hillary returned the Chinese sweatshop money yet? n/t  DemFemme   Oct-25-07 09:18 PM   #87 
        - Apparently  Jim4Wes   Oct-25-07 08:52 PM   #71 
        - So explain then...  SaveElmer   Oct-25-07 08:55 PM   #75 
           - Bingo. He thought it would pass, he did not know Hillary would vote for it.  rinsd   Oct-25-07 09:10 PM   #83 
           - That's one of the problems.  seasonedblue   Oct-26-07 07:33 PM   #125 
  - Doesn't matter either way cuz HE DIDN'T VOTE YES ON IT.  AtomicKitten   Oct-25-07 08:51 PM   #68 
  - speaking of Naive  Capn Sunshine   Oct-25-07 09:00 PM   #77 
  - I guess they'll wait to attack  Jim4Wes   Oct-25-07 09:06 PM   #81 
     - War without end, Amen  Capn Sunshine   Oct-25-07 09:10 PM   #84 
  - Another bullshit push poll?  martymar64   Oct-25-07 09:21 PM   #89 
  - Ewwh... Just saw Obama's new campaign ad on tv.  Tellurian   Oct-25-07 09:33 PM   #90 
  - LOL!  Lirwin2   Oct-25-07 11:19 PM   #102 
  - Bullshit. Hillary Supporter smear as always  FlaxieB   Oct-26-07 07:59 AM   #120 
  - I wish it were naivety  wlucinda   Oct-26-07 12:17 AM   #111 
  - I like Obama  fujiyama   Oct-26-07 12:54 AM   #116 
  - HEY it wasn't his fault!!!  phen43   Oct-26-07 11:15 AM   #122 
  - at least he didn't vote "yes" like Hillary  Think82   Oct-26-07 07:21 PM   #123 
  - At least he didn't care enough to vote  Lirwin2   Oct-27-07 12:22 PM   #126 
  - Unfortunately, Yes.  Catchawave   Oct-26-07 07:22 PM   #124 

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