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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 03:27 PM
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68. It matters. The DEMS who are attacking Bush critics think it matters.
And the DEMS who are afraid to attack Bush have their reasons that "matter" as well.

I've never heard the idea that things that politicans do on TV and in congress dont matter and dont have an effect on direction of politics. Everything they do or refuse to do has a purpose and it matters in the negative or positive.

It matters when DEMS can attack anti-Bush people better than they can go after Bush- it speaks volumes & volumes. Not symbolism either, but the stark (no pun inteneded) reality of the situation.

In any event, if we cant censure Bush, then we shouldnt be censuring people OPPOSED to Bush- if that was the case, you might have apoint.
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  -Guys? Could we stop being so hyper about stupid shit? Rhythm and Blue  Oct-23-07 02:16 PM   #0 
  - Hrmm....  MonkeyFunk   Oct-23-07 02:18 PM   #1 
  - The constant scratching at the Democrats here is not based on truth, but manipulation.  LoZoccolo   Oct-23-07 02:19 PM   #2 
  - Well I'm glad you're with us bottom feeders.  Forkboy   Oct-23-07 02:24 PM   #7 
  - "sitting around on the computer all day." Are you not behind a computer yourself?  Dr Fate   Oct-23-07 02:26 PM   #12 
  - Let me put it another way.  LoZoccolo   Oct-23-07 06:13 PM   #134 
  - what have you done for democracy this week?  robinlynne   Oct-23-07 02:34 PM   #20 
  - Tried to keep us  zidzi   Oct-23-07 02:55 PM   #43 
  - Some of us are quite active in our efforts to change the world  TechBear_Seattle   Oct-23-07 02:59 PM   #45 
     - exactly.  robinlynne   Oct-23-07 03:10 PM   #51 
  - DEMS should be censuring Bush, not people opposed to Bush.  Dr Fate   Oct-23-07 02:21 PM   #3 
  - Politics is about things that are slightly more important than sending strongly worded letters.  Rhythm and Blue   Oct-23-07 02:25 PM   #11 
  - LOL! A "letter" is about all you will ever get from some DEMS when it comes to attacking Bush.  Dr Fate   Oct-23-07 02:33 PM   #19 
     - The "action" that they've taken against Moveon and Stark is  Rhythm and Blue   Oct-23-07 02:36 PM   #25 
        - And it was discussed in the media. A censure of Bush would get 100% more coverage than either.  Dr Fate   Oct-23-07 02:44 PM   #33 
           - Okay, so what would be accomplished with censuring Bush is  Rhythm and Blue   Oct-23-07 02:45 PM   #35 
              - i don't know but when Russ Feingold tried it. he got skunked  rodeodance   Oct-23-07 02:48 PM   #37 
              - I would rather them not censure anti-war voices if they cant censure Bush.  Dr Fate   Oct-23-07 03:16 PM   #53 
                 - Yeah.  incapsulated   Oct-23-07 03:18 PM   #54 
                 - Yeah. But does it really matter? At all? No.  Rhythm and Blue   Oct-23-07 03:20 PM   #57 
                    - The low approval ratings for congress  incapsulated   Oct-23-07 03:21 PM   #58 
                    - Yeah, Democrats want to be pandered to more, I guess. But far more than that,  Rhythm and Blue   Oct-23-07 03:23 PM   #61 
                       - Pandered?  incapsulated   Oct-23-07 03:25 PM   #65 
                          - "Representing" someone on meaningless issues  Rhythm and Blue   Oct-23-07 03:27 PM   #67 
                             - Who are they pandering to by threatening to censure Stark, then?  incapsulated   Oct-23-07 03:30 PM   #72 
                             - Mostly people who will never vote for or give money to DEMS-- Rush listeners.  Dr Fate   Oct-23-07 03:34 PM   #79 
                             - The five Dems who voted for it?  Rhythm and Blue   Oct-23-07 03:34 PM   #80 
                                - I see, and they set the agenda do they?  incapsulated   Oct-23-07 03:36 PM   #83 
                                   - The Party didn't turn on itself. Most Dems voted against the censure.  Rhythm and Blue   Oct-23-07 03:39 PM   #86 
                                      - Rather convoluted.  incapsulated   Oct-23-07 03:44 PM   #94 
                                         - Welcome to politics.  Rhythm and Blue   Oct-23-07 03:47 PM   #101 
                                            - Wrong. It's called how to lose at politics.  incapsulated   Oct-23-07 03:57 PM   #105 
                                            - And the Republican slash-and-burn, take-no-prisoners, never-admit-defeat, fuck-the-other-guy  Rhythm and Blue   Oct-23-07 03:59 PM   #107 
                                            - So, we should never take a stand  incapsulated   Oct-23-07 04:02 PM   #108 
                                            - Wrong. We should take a stand on issues that matter. Bullshit censure resolutions  Rhythm and Blue   Oct-23-07 04:04 PM   #109 
                                            - It would have been nice if the DEMS who attacked Stark & Moveon agreed with you.  Dr Fate   Oct-23-07 04:08 PM   #112 
                                            - Yes, but I can't really see getting upset over five Dems pandering  Rhythm and Blue   Oct-23-07 04:09 PM   #113 
                                            - If this were the first & only time "centrist" DEMS attacked anti-war voices- you would have a point  Dr Fate   Oct-23-07 04:13 PM   #118 
                                            - If you think it doesn't matter  incapsulated   Oct-23-07 04:09 PM   #114 
                                            - You could start with  Rhythm and Blue   Oct-23-07 04:12 PM   #116 
                                            - You could start with  Dr Fate   Oct-23-07 04:17 PM   #121 
                                            - Yes. Fortunately, they are. (See link in OP and sig)  Rhythm and Blue   Oct-23-07 04:18 PM   #122 
                                            - They are  incapsulated   Oct-23-07 04:30 PM   #125 
                                            - No one is saying we imitate Repubs. In fact, we want DEMS to DISAGREE with them on this.  Dr Fate   Oct-23-07 04:05 PM   #110 
                                            - ummm, don't know where you've been for the last seven years,  stranger81   Oct-23-07 04:54 PM   #129 
                                            - Just now, someone posted a transcript of Limbaugh laughing  incapsulated   Oct-23-07 05:55 PM   #133 
                             - I dont think that oppostion to the war is a meaningles issue.  Dr Fate   Oct-23-07 03:30 PM   #74 
                                - Word.  incapsulated   Oct-23-07 03:31 PM   #76 
                                - Toothless opposition is.  Rhythm and Blue   Oct-23-07 03:35 PM   #81 
                                   - So these DEMS attack anti-war Liberals so that they wont get filibustered or vetoed?  Dr Fate   Oct-23-07 03:47 PM   #100 
                                   - the Dems have not been filibustered -- they've walked away from the fight  stranger81   Oct-23-07 04:58 PM   #130 
                                      - In other words, we keep our powder dry so that the GOP doesnt have to.  Dr Fate   Oct-23-07 05:16 PM   #131 
                    - It matters. The DEMS who are attacking Bush critics think it matters.  Dr Fate   Oct-23-07 03:27 PM   #68 
                       - All 5 of 'em? They "think it matters" because they're pandering to their constituents.  Rhythm and Blue   Oct-23-07 03:29 PM   #70 
                          - Dont forget the censuring of It's more than 5 DEMS who attack Libs but not Bush.  Dr Fate   Oct-23-07 03:41 PM   #89 
                             - *sigh* Democrats are not pandering to the Rush Limbaugh set.  Rhythm and Blue   Oct-23-07 03:42 PM   #91 
                                - I see- it's not pandering to Rush listeners if the DEMS really do agree with them.  Dr Fate   Oct-23-07 03:55 PM   #103 
  - Exactly. For a moment I thought I was on  truedelphi   Oct-23-07 02:36 PM   # 
     - "Reconcilitating Bush"?  Common Sense Party   Oct-23-07 03:19 PM   #55 
  - Makes sense to me!  racaulk   Oct-23-07 02:22 PM   #4 
  - Wishful thinkers believe that Nancy can do more  NYCALIZ   Oct-23-07 02:23 PM   #5 
  - Look, I rarely ever unload on them  incapsulated   Oct-23-07 02:23 PM   #6 
  - "...the likes of which come out of republicans mouths every day..."  LoZoccolo   Oct-23-07 02:24 PM   #8 
  - Oh, so it matters that it's on the floor, now  incapsulated   Oct-23-07 02:28 PM   #14 
  - Yes, I do think it's fair that we hold remarks on the House floor  Rhythm and Blue   Oct-23-07 02:31 PM   #18 
  - Tell it to the opposition  incapsulated   Oct-23-07 02:36 PM   #23 
  - Yeah. Schmidt apologized. Stark didn't. There's the difference.  Rhythm and Blue   Oct-23-07 02:38 PM   #26 
     - *Her party defended her*  incapsulated   Oct-23-07 02:41 PM   #30 
     - And we thought they were a bunch of immoral fuckheads for having done so.  Rhythm and Blue   Oct-23-07 02:43 PM   #32 
        - Ah, I see  incapsulated   Oct-23-07 02:50 PM   #39 
           - No, I don't think it ought have been censured.  Rhythm and Blue   Oct-23-07 02:54 PM   #42 
     - And to the Republicans benefit. Every time the Democrats cave  tsuki   Oct-23-07 03:29 PM   #71 
  - Then impeach Rice and Cheney and Bush fast because they lied blatantly on the  robinlynne   Oct-23-07 02:36 PM   #24 
     - No shit, censure Bush and his entire administration  incapsulated   Oct-23-07 02:39 PM   #27 
        - And what exactly would that accomplish?  Rhythm and Blue   Oct-23-07 02:40 PM   #29 
           - What does censuring Stark accomplish?  incapsulated   Oct-23-07 02:42 PM   #31 
              - Nothing at all. So why get whipped up about it?  Rhythm and Blue   Oct-23-07 02:44 PM   #34 
                 - The problem is you don't see this as the symptom  incapsulated   Oct-23-07 02:53 PM   #41 
                    - Um...yes, the Republicans are obviously criminals and scum.  Rhythm and Blue   Oct-23-07 02:56 PM   #44 
                       - I never said, "censure Bush just for the hell of it"  incapsulated   Oct-23-07 02:59 PM   #46 
                          - I never claimed you said that.  Rhythm and Blue   Oct-23-07 03:01 PM   #47 
                             - Actions like this  incapsulated   Oct-23-07 03:02 PM   #49 
                                - Your right to decide what's important to you, I guess. nt  Rhythm and Blue   Oct-23-07 03:05 PM   #50 
  - Yeah. Republicans are smarter than that, actually.  LoZoccolo   Oct-23-07 03:42 PM   #92 
  - how dare you insert Facts into an uproar  NYCALIZ   Oct-23-07 03:01 PM   #48 
  - Exactly, and why do so many commentators like KO keep talking....  AntiFascist   Oct-23-07 02:48 PM   #36 
     - Well, let's think why that might be.  Rhythm and Blue   Oct-23-07 02:51 PM   #40 
        - the dems do a damn fine job of portraying themselves as weak without the help of RW commentators  frylock   Oct-23-07 03:22 PM   #59 
        - No, I think you mean  Rhythm and Blue   Oct-23-07 03:26 PM   #66 
        - Let's analyze three commentators on teevee then...  AntiFascist   Oct-23-07 03:25 PM   #64 
           - Heh, let's go through it:  Rhythm and Blue   Oct-23-07 03:33 PM   #78 
              - So reading between the lines....  AntiFascist   Oct-23-07 04:06 PM   #111 
                 - Why, yes, that's exactly what I'm saying.  Rhythm and Blue   Oct-23-07 04:10 PM   #115 
  - You might as well wish for a billion dollars.  Forkboy   Oct-23-07 02:25 PM   #9 
  - Expressing an opinion isn't being hyper  atreides1   Oct-23-07 02:25 PM   #10 
  - If you think Congress is a "gun fight,"  Rhythm and Blue   Oct-23-07 02:30 PM   #16 
  - I respectfully disagree.  monktonman   Oct-23-07 02:27 PM   #13 
  - Look, the DLC got what it wanted -- an apology -- but it shouldn't  stranger81   Oct-23-07 02:28 PM   #15 
  - when you don't have an argument,  paulk   Oct-23-07 02:34 PM   #21 
     - the argument's right there in black and white,  stranger81   Oct-23-07 03:19 PM   #56 
        - bullshit  paulk   Oct-23-07 03:36 PM   #82 
           - But we should assume that DLCers disagreed with Stark-right?  Dr Fate   Oct-23-07 06:40 PM   #135 
              - yeah, sure -  paulk   Oct-23-07 06:56 PM   #136 
                 - So the DLC and bluedogs were opposed to his apology? They were not for it?  Dr Fate   Oct-23-07 07:04 PM   #137 
                    - I'm not going to waste my time arguing with your strawmen.  paulk   Oct-23-07 07:09 PM   #138 
                       - In other words, you cant defend the DLC's & centrist's conservative views and actions.  Dr Fate   Oct-23-07 07:13 PM   #139 
  - THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU! Now, put on these:  tandot   Oct-23-07 02:31 PM   #17 
  - Can somebody tell me who the 5 Dems were that voted for censure? Thanks. nt  gateley   Oct-23-07 02:34 PM   #22 
  - Thanks for posting this..  tridim   Oct-23-07 02:39 PM   #28 
  - Yeah, and it's too bad My Issue is  zidzi   Oct-23-07 02:49 PM   #38 
  - kick nt  Rhythm and Blue   Oct-23-07 03:11 PM   #52 
  - Yadda, yadda, fucking yadda  MadHound   Oct-23-07 03:22 PM   #60 
  - Oh, the drama.  Rhythm and Blue   Oct-23-07 03:24 PM   #63 
  - With what? Strongly worded letters? I am impressed...  truebrit71   Oct-23-07 03:31 PM   #75 
  - No, on votes, as you would have seen if you had clicked the link in the OP,  Rhythm and Blue   Oct-23-07 03:37 PM   #84 
  - You're little statement that you're making is just a bit off  MadHound   Oct-23-07 03:41 PM   #90 
  - "every single liberal and leftist just got one huge message from the Democratic party"  LoZoccolo   Oct-23-07 03:45 PM   #97 
  - How are those subpoenas working out? Opposition MY ASS!!!  truebrit71   Oct-23-07 03:23 PM   #62 
  - Yeah, it's totally their fault that Bushco has buried all evidence.  Rhythm and Blue   Oct-23-07 03:28 PM   #69 
     - Are they the majority party or not? If yes, then they need to start..  truebrit71   Oct-23-07 03:30 PM   #73 
        - Acting like what? Doing what? Sending strongly-worded letters?  Rhythm and Blue   Oct-23-07 03:40 PM   # 
           - Don't give me that crap...How have they opposed him? They have given him EVERYTHING he's demanded..  truebrit71   Oct-23-07 03:43 PM   #93 
              - Yes, everything he's demanded in 14% of votes,  Rhythm and Blue   Oct-23-07 03:44 PM   #95 
                 - War funding 100% of it. Wire-taps 100% of the time. Habeus Corpus STILL gone...  truebrit71   Oct-23-07 03:45 PM   #98 
                    - Habeaus Corpus was defeated in a party-line vote  Rhythm and Blue   Oct-23-07 03:58 PM   #106 
                       - The phone companies are getting off scott free...  truebrit71   Oct-23-07 04:13 PM   #117 
                          - That is actually completely untrue.  Rhythm and Blue   Oct-23-07 04:15 PM   #119 
                             - In my reply I put the phrase "timeline" you think I meant the US wants them home tomorrow?  truebrit71   Oct-23-07 04:21 PM   #123 
                                - Sorry I took "the vast majority of Americans want the troops home NOW."  Rhythm and Blue   Oct-23-07 04:24 PM   #124 
                                   - No the part about FISA that most interests me is why they started the taps months BEFORE 9/11...  truebrit71   Oct-23-07 04:33 PM   #126 
                                      - Fortunately, the investigation is ongoing.  Rhythm and Blue   Oct-23-07 04:41 PM   #127 
  - You haven't even been here a month, and we're already grating on your nerves....  Totally Committed   Oct-23-07 03:33 PM   #77 
  - Banana Republix are teh R0XX0rZ!! Or however you spell that.  HughBeaumont   Oct-23-07 03:37 PM   #85 
  - Please.... I know!  Totally Committed   Oct-23-07 03:40 PM   #87 
  - Wrong. I've been here since 2003.  Rhythm and Blue   Oct-23-07 03:41 PM   #88 
     - And in my spare time, I'm a Victoria's Secret Model....  Totally Committed   Oct-23-07 03:44 PM   #96 
     - You want evidence? Look at the semicolons.  Rhythm and Blue   Oct-23-07 03:56 PM   #104 
     - You were Kelly Rupert?  RandomKoolzip   Oct-23-07 03:47 PM   #99 
     - Eh, it's not sockpuppeting. I let old names retire all the time,  Rhythm and Blue   Oct-23-07 03:51 PM   #102 
     - And here dies Rhythm and Blue.  Rhythm and Blue   Oct-23-07 04:51 PM   #128 
  - No. nt  babylonsister   Oct-23-07 04:16 PM   #120 
  - what may seem stupid to you might be important to someone else.  chimpsrsmarter   Oct-23-07 05:20 PM   #132 

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