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18. So they are better at their jobs than our leadership? Why aren't we any good? Why?
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  -Someone please explain to me why the we don't have the votes to overide SCHIP is saracat  Oct-18-07 09:51 AM   #0 
  - Moderate Republican members of the House got voted out last November  Lasher   Oct-18-07 10:01 AM   #1 
  - There aren't 291 Democrats in the House. It requires 291 votes to override a veto there.  sinkingfeeling   Oct-18-07 10:01 AM   #2 
  - but surely the job of the Speaker and the Whip is to get some of those  saracat   Oct-18-07 10:06 AM   #3 
     - The whip's job is to whip his party into line.  endarkenment   Oct-18-07 10:13 AM   #4 
        - But the Speaker, whip and Deputy Speaker should all work together to get  saracat   Oct-18-07 10:16 AM   #5 
           - the repub leader and whip both opposed the bill  onenote   Oct-18-07 10:23 AM   #8 
              - So they are better at their jobs than our leadership? Why aren't we any good? Why?  saracat   Oct-18-07 10:30 AM   #18 
                 - Did our leadership do a bad job getting Democrats to support SCHIP?  onenote   Oct-18-07 10:43 AM   #22 
                 - It doesn't matter if we can't overide the veto.Period.The GOP was always able to  saracat   Oct-18-07 10:44 AM   #23 
                    - did the repubs have to get enough votes to override chimpy's vetoes?  onenote   Oct-18-07 10:50 AM   #30 
                       - No.Don't be silly but they always got our votes to pass what they wanted  saracat   Oct-18-07 11:04 AM   #34 
                          - how many of our votes do they typically get?  onenote   Oct-18-07 11:06 AM   #38 
                             - They got enough to pass.We didn't end of story.  saracat   Oct-18-07 11:07 AM   #39 
                                - Because some of the Repubs are true believers  TayTay   Oct-18-07 01:06 PM   #52 
                 - No they aren't  dsc   Oct-18-07 11:03 PM   #57 
                    - There shouldn't even be 2 Dems voting against it.  saracat   Oct-19-07 01:57 AM   #59 
                       - No there shouldn't be  dsc   Oct-19-07 04:47 AM   #60 
  - "most of the GOP support it" --- nope  onenote   Oct-18-07 10:20 AM   #6 
  - Then the Speaker has some arm twisting to do.  saracat   Oct-18-07 10:22 AM   #7 
     - the speaker has little sway with repubs, particularly when the repub leadership  onenote   Oct-18-07 10:24 AM   #12 
        - Really? Then how did they get "our" votes all the time? And how are they apparently still doing it?  saracat   Oct-18-07 10:26 AM   #14 
           - Ask Murtha  cuke   Oct-18-07 12:36 PM   #49 
  - It is Very Simple  abluelady   Oct-18-07 10:23 AM   #9 
  - Because our leadership is all carrot and no stick-nt  sampsonblk   Oct-18-07 10:23 AM   #10 
  - the GOP isn't hanging together better  Enrique   Oct-18-07 10:24 AM   #11 
  - Then why don't we have the votes to do anything important? Why?  saracat   Oct-18-07 10:28 AM   #15 
     - I don't know  Enrique   Oct-18-07 10:29 AM   #17 
        - But not enough when it counts.LBJ could have gotten those votes  saracat   Oct-18-07 10:31 AM   #20 
           - LBJ lost some  Enrique   Oct-18-07 10:36 AM   #21 
           - I doubt it.He has 2000 peices of legislation passed in record time.  saracat   Oct-18-07 10:45 AM   #25 
              - and they were the republican president's legislation  Enrique   Oct-18-07 10:47 AM   #28 
                 - I was talking about the "Great Society" but I do not believe LBJ would.  saracat   Oct-18-07 10:51 AM   #31 
                    - The Great Society was LBJ's program when he was President  onenote   Oct-18-07 11:05 AM   #35 
                    - Yeah well, we can't even overide once. And I am aware that the Great Society was a presidential  saracat   Oct-18-07 11:11 AM   #42 
                    - his pressure tactics were mostly aimed at liberal democrats  Enrique   Oct-18-07 11:05 AM   #37 
                       - He did what he needed to do. He was successful in getting passed what needed to be.  saracat   Oct-18-07 11:09 AM   #40 
                          - would you like Reid to "do what he needs to do"  Enrique   Oct-18-07 11:10 AM   #41 
                             - Johnson passed a lot of "liberal " legislation.If he had to give "quid pro quo"  saracat   Oct-18-07 11:14 AM   #43 
                                - as president, LBJ had a veto proof majority in both houses  onenote   Oct-18-07 11:17 AM   #44 
                                   - Fine .Don't compare it.The repukes overode Clinton.We can't overide Bush.  saracat   Oct-18-07 11:23 AM   #45 
                                      - the problem with comparisons  onenote   Oct-18-07 12:05 PM   #46 
                                         - The point is we can overide NOTHING.Ever. it seems.  saracat   Oct-18-07 12:13 PM   #47 
                                            - bush I -- overriden one out of 29; reagan -- overriden 9 out of 39; Ford 12 out of 38  onenote   Oct-18-07 12:35 PM   #48 
                                               - In "this". Congress. Usually Bush doesn't even have to veto because they give him what he wants.  saracat   Oct-18-07 10:58 PM   #55 
           - history much?  onenote   Oct-18-07 10:47 AM   #29 
              - I am aware of that.I never said he had a perfect record and you are  saracat   Oct-18-07 10:57 AM   #32 
  - Don't you think the Republicans want to make the Democrats look. . .  Cary   Oct-18-07 10:26 AM   #13 
  - And they are succeeding. Why can't we do as well as they did? Why? Why do our people vote with them  saracat   Oct-18-07 10:29 AM   #16 
  - Because we're losers!  Joanne98   Oct-18-07 10:31 AM   #19 
  - Because the Republican representatives can do nothing other  Vinca   Oct-18-07 10:45 AM   #24 
  - Thenperhaps our people need to be in lockstep and grap some repukes as well.  saracat   Oct-18-07 10:46 AM   #26 
  - As usual The GOP won the PR War.  OHdem10   Oct-18-07 10:46 AM   #27 
  - Most of the Republicans in the House do not support it  Freddie Stubbs   Oct-18-07 11:00 AM   #33 
  - If people understood how to use balckmail or whatever it takes we would have the votes.We do not do  saracat   Oct-18-07 11:05 AM   #36 
     - that's not true  Enrique   Oct-18-07 12:57 PM   #50 
        - Yeah.Right.Not ion much that counds.They are funding the war and can't pass SCHIP.  saracat   Oct-18-07 11:00 PM   #56 
  - Obviously Republicans hate children  iconocrastic   Oct-18-07 01:00 PM   #51 
  - Because the GOP still has the White House, that's why.  beachmom   Oct-18-07 01:20 PM   #53 
  - I guess that's why people don't bother to vote in elections  bambino   Oct-18-07 01:37 PM   #54 
  - It's called "Politics"...  rasputin1952   Oct-18-07 11:10 PM   #58 

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