Goblinmonger
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Sun Oct-14-07 08:24 PM
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with the distinction between government and politics. MLK is a good example. What he did was political but not governmental hence no first amendment problems. Obama's rhetoric is more and more seeming to look like he will bring that bullshit into the government and continue it on its slide away from secularism. That is scary. Will I support him if he is the nominee for the Dems? Yes. Will I vote for him in the WI primary? No.
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| -Obama blows it with "Kingdom on Earth" comment |
Karmadillo |
Oct-14-07 06:21 PM |
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"I am confident we can create a Kingdom right here on Earth." WTF?? |
MethuenProgressive |
Oct-14-07 06:23 PM |
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So what was the context? |
midlife_mo_Jo |
Oct-14-07 06:24 PM |
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Oh, don't let facts get in the way |
gratuitous |
Oct-14-07 06:28 PM |
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And with the usual suspects latching onto any phony criticism of Obama... |
jefferson_dem |
Oct-14-07 06:31 PM |
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I thought supporters of theocracy were supposed to use "heretic" instead of "usual suspect." |
Karmadillo |
Oct-14-07 06:53 PM |
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Um... |
jefferson_dem |
Oct-14-07 06:59 PM |
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Good luck brave Heretic! |
beam me up scottie |
Oct-14-07 07:12 PM |
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It is an un-american idea |
cuke |
Oct-14-07 07:36 PM |
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Please explain the difference. |
Goblinmonger |
Oct-14-07 07:46 PM |
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The difference is |
cuke |
Oct-14-07 08:22 PM |
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I have no problem |
Goblinmonger |
Oct-14-07 08:24 PM |
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I would not vote for anyone I felt was a threat to to our form of non-theocratic democracy |
cuke |
Oct-14-07 08:29 PM |
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So worrying about a creeping theocracy |
Goblinmonger |
Oct-14-07 07:44 PM |
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Exactly, I have yet to see anyone provide the full context |
maximusveritas |
Oct-14-07 07:39 PM |
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So please explain the context |
Goblinmonger |
Oct-14-07 07:46 PM |
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That's what I'm asking for |
maximusveritas |
Oct-14-07 07:51 PM |
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I think it will prove him right. |
Goblinmonger |
Oct-14-07 08:05 PM |
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Because that would be a fuckin' tragedy man |
sandnsea |
Oct-14-07 06:28 PM |
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word |
AtomicKitten |
Oct-14-07 06:56 PM |
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Constitution be damned! We'll have a Kingdom... |
SidDithers |
Oct-14-07 07:33 PM |
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You said it. Keep the enlightenment alive! |
Kurt_and_Hunter |
Oct-14-07 07:36 PM |
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1st Amendment, bro |
Goblinmonger |
Oct-14-07 07:47 PM |
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Lighten up |
Bluzmann57 |
Oct-14-07 06:29 PM |
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well, if the majority are christian |
Goblinmonger |
Oct-14-07 07:48 PM |
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I feel uncomfortable with his statement because it just feels too Religious |
gateley |
Oct-14-07 06:43 PM |
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Then you should get used to it. Obama is a person of faith. |
Capn Sunshine |
Oct-14-07 07:09 PM |
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Jeez - I can't even read Ann Coulter's NAME without retching - so you're |
gateley |
Oct-14-07 07:13 PM |
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Ms. Shaw who wrote the |
tomg |
Oct-14-07 06:54 PM |
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Thanks for offering some reasonable perspective to this thread. |
jefferson_dem |
Oct-14-07 10:30 PM |
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Rev. Welton Gaddy on State of Belief AAR really blasted Obama for that. |
madfloridian |
Oct-14-07 06:54 PM |
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Careful Rev. Gaddy! You too can be accused of "Christian bashing." |
Raster |
Oct-14-07 07:15 PM |
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Rev. Gaddy made a good point ..nt |
SidDithers |
Oct-14-07 07:35 PM |
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Makes sense to me. |
enid602 |
Oct-14-07 06:55 PM |
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Kingdom on Earth = Heaven on Earth |
incapsulated |
Oct-14-07 07:02 PM |
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Yeah, sure |
Goblinmonger |
Oct-14-07 07:50 PM |
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If you seriously believe ALL Christians |
incapsulated |
Oct-14-07 10:05 PM |
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Yeah, when did I say THAT strawman master. |
Goblinmonger |
Oct-15-07 10:20 PM |
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Well pardon me... |
incapsulated |
Oct-16-07 02:06 AM |
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Here's my problem |
Goblinmonger |
Oct-16-07 08:14 AM |
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Incredible the lies so-called liberals will spew to slander someone |
sandnsea |
Oct-14-07 09:00 PM |
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i am usually an enthusiastic religion basher, and even i'm not turned off by this |
mark414 |
Oct-14-07 07:04 PM |
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You are misrepresenting Obama's statement. |
calteacherguy |
Oct-14-07 07:11 PM |
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He's for civil unions, gay people serving openly in the military, pro-choice, |
jenmito |
Oct-14-07 07:16 PM |
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Umm... you guys don't get it |
Truth Hurts A Lot |
Oct-14-07 07:17 PM |
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If you read the posts, you'd see a lot of us DO get it. |
jenmito |
Oct-14-07 07:20 PM |
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Um... a lot of us do get it. The Kingdom of Whomever is someone else's fairytale. Not mine. |
Raster |
Oct-14-07 07:25 PM |
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Of course. |
jefferson_dem |
Oct-14-07 07:33 PM |
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Stop. Stop. Stop. MLK was not a member of the United States government, nor up for any election. |
Raster |
Oct-14-07 07:48 PM |
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Thanks. |
jefferson_dem |
Oct-14-07 08:03 PM |
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"Promoting a faith-based foundation for progressive policy is not a sin." True. |
Raster |
Oct-14-07 08:24 PM |
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Well, I guess we read it differently. |
jefferson_dem |
Oct-14-07 08:28 PM |
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"a moral foundation for policy"??? |
trotsky |
Oct-14-07 08:48 PM |
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Of course. |
jefferson_dem |
Oct-14-07 09:02 PM |
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have you forgotten about Richard Nixon and Herbert Hoover? |
cmkramer |
Oct-15-07 11:33 AM |
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MLK was elected? |
Goblinmonger |
Oct-14-07 07:51 PM |
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Upthread you are arguing that religion should play no role within the US political system. |
jefferson_dem |
Oct-14-07 07:57 PM |
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I'll type slowly so you can understand |
Goblinmonger |
Oct-14-07 08:07 PM |
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they are just trying to rationalize it because they are Obama |
jonnyblitz |
Oct-14-07 08:13 PM |
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exactly |
Goblinmonger |
Oct-14-07 08:15 PM |
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LOL! |
jefferson_dem |
Oct-14-07 08:15 PM |
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It's his rhetoric. |
Goblinmonger |
Oct-14-07 08:18 PM |
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The first amendment only binds congress, and as incorporated by the 14th amdnt, state |
Kurt_and_Hunter |
Oct-14-07 08:52 PM |
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I'm afraid I must be rather dumb myself... |
LanternWaste |
Oct-15-07 01:24 PM |
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That's not it at all |
Goblinmonger |
Oct-15-07 10:18 PM |
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I'm an atheist and I like what Obama stands for. |
jenmito |
Oct-14-07 07:54 PM |
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No, we get it. He's hardly the first politician to claim he's an Instrument of God. |
beam me up scottie |
Oct-14-07 07:25 PM |
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obama does not use his faith to discriminate and repress |
mark414 |
Oct-14-07 07:39 PM |
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bull |
darboy |
Oct-14-07 07:48 PM |
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Good point and I think the full context of the comments would bare that out |
maximusveritas |
Oct-14-07 07:41 PM |
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Geez, I'm an Atheist and I have no problem with the comment. |
Odin2005 |
Oct-14-07 07:38 PM |
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Same here |
maximusveritas |
Oct-14-07 07:46 PM |
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I agree this attack is completely without merit. nt |
calteacherguy |
Oct-14-07 07:46 PM |
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Who Does He Think He Is? Martin Luther King Jr.? |
DrFunkenstein |
Oct-14-07 07:46 PM |
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When did MLK run for office? |
Goblinmonger |
Oct-14-07 07:52 PM |
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The point is that MLK used his faith tradition to promote civil rights and social justice. |
jefferson_dem |
Oct-14-07 08:10 PM |
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Way to demean the 1st Amendment |
Goblinmonger |
Oct-14-07 08:14 PM |
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I wasn't demeaning the First Amendment. |
jefferson_dem |
Oct-14-07 08:20 PM |
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Way to spread the O'Reilly meme |
Goblinmonger |
Oct-14-07 08:22 PM |
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O'Reilly meme ... followed by referring to Obama as my "boy" LOL! |
jefferson_dem |
Oct-14-07 08:25 PM |
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Yeah, it was a racial thing. That's it. |
Goblinmonger |
Oct-14-07 08:35 PM |
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It's cool. |
jefferson_dem |
Oct-14-07 08:39 PM |
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For Christ's sake! |
AntiFascist |
Oct-14-07 07:47 PM |
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If he was trying to appease them, he'd be anti-gay, anti-choice, anti-affirmative action, |
jenmito |
Oct-14-07 08:01 PM |
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Yes but this sounds like a veiled appeal to Dominionists... |
AntiFascist |
Oct-15-07 05:13 AM |
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Lots of our Dems are going overboard w/the religious spiel lately. |
mtnsnake |
Oct-14-07 08:14 PM |
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At least Obama's not a Born-Again Idiot like W |
Chuck in Las Vegas |
Oct-14-07 08:34 PM |
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I mentioned this in another thread - there is a VERY SIMPLE "test" here. |
trotsky |
Oct-14-07 09:13 PM |
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If the Republican who used those words was pro-gay rights, pro-choice, against this war, |
jenmito |
Oct-14-07 09:19 PM |
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See, you're missing the point. |
trotsky |
Oct-14-07 09:36 PM |
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No I'm not. If a Repub. said that and held his positions, I'd vote for him. |
jenmito |
Oct-14-07 09:39 PM |
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Yep, you still are. |
trotsky |
Oct-14-07 09:44 PM |
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I'm an atheist who believes in gay rights, pro-choice, etc. etc.... |
jenmito |
Oct-14-07 09:48 PM |
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The paranoia among some posters here is really what's frightening. |
jefferson_dem |
Oct-14-07 09:53 PM |
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It sure is... |
jenmito |
Oct-14-07 09:55 PM |
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Here's a small clue. It's because... |
trotsky |
Oct-14-07 10:05 PM |
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IT SHOULD BE! Who cares about his religious beliefs if he's a liberal who supports what WE support? |
jenmito |
Oct-14-07 10:11 PM |
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That's bullshit. |
trotsky |
Oct-14-07 10:04 PM |
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Absolutely, silly. People may be a "bit uncomfortable" about all sorts of shit. |
jefferson_dem |
Oct-14-07 10:15 PM |
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Okey dokey. |
trotsky |
Oct-14-07 10:22 PM |
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Buh bye... |
jefferson_dem |
Oct-14-07 10:27 PM |
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Who do you support for president this election cycle, if I may ask? |
jefferson_dem |
Oct-14-07 09:49 PM |
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Thank you! |
Raster |
Oct-14-07 10:05 PM |
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And if Martin Luther King said it |
incapsulated |
Oct-14-07 10:16 PM |
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Did MLK run for office? |
trotsky |
Oct-14-07 10:23 PM |
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Plenty here have, plenty |
incapsulated |
Oct-14-07 10:26 PM |
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"Kingdom on Earth" is standard social Gospel language - a liberal Christian concept, not a right |
yellowcanine |
Oct-15-07 09:32 AM |
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Thanks for providing context. Great post. n/t |
ripple |
Oct-15-07 09:35 AM |
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Are people really getting worked up over this? |
redqueen |
Oct-15-07 09:38 AM |
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Good ol' separation of church and state...I don't want a Kingdom! Not for a horse, |
The Count |
Oct-15-07 11:37 AM |
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Though I have no sympathy for cries of "phony criticism" |
SaveElmer |
Oct-15-07 11:53 AM |
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Did this a week ago...where y'all been? ............ |
Didereaux |
Oct-15-07 05:02 PM |
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Yes, Obama REALLY wants to become king.... |
Dob Bole |
Oct-15-07 08:04 PM |
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A metaphor for what? |
Goblinmonger |
Oct-15-07 10:25 PM |
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This pathetic cherrypicking of a quote out of context brought to you by... |
zulchzulu |
Oct-15-07 08:13 PM |
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Here's some context. |
Karmadillo |
Oct-17-07 05:31 AM |
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What a screw-up. Imagine the chatter if Hillary had said that. |
Perry Logan |
Oct-17-07 05:40 AM |
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I'm sure she would... |
jefferson_dem |
Oct-17-07 05:56 AM |
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