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Response to Reply #179
182. but damn if she didn't pony up those "yeah war" votes to woo the GOP base
Edited on Sun Oct-14-07 11:18 PM by AtomicKitten
The problem is she's a goddamn Democrat, or so they say.
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  -Gen. Wesley Clark: Clinton's approach deters a rush to war DeepModem Mom  Oct-14-07 10:46 AM   #0 
  - Shorter Wes Clark:  geek tragedy   Oct-14-07 10:48 AM   #1 
  - Yeah, anyone who supports HRC is only trying to get a cabinet post  skipos   Oct-14-07 10:51 AM   #3 
  - Does anyone seriously think Clark would be  geek tragedy   Oct-14-07 10:53 AM   #4 
     - It's not "selling out" to want a Democrat in the White House  Jai4WKC08   Oct-14-07 12:49 PM   #23 
  - Hehehehehehe...  Katzenkavalier   Oct-14-07 10:55 AM   #5 
  - K&R  emilyg   Oct-14-07 02:30 PM   #76 
  - Well, I appreciate his perspective on this, or any national-security subject, and  calimary   Oct-14-07 08:13 PM   #136 
  - Nah  WesDem   Oct-15-07 08:49 AM   #205 
  - Wes Clark is still the smartest guy in the room.  MethuenProgressive   Oct-14-07 10:49 AM   #2 
  - I'd still like to understand this better  Sparkly   Oct-14-07 10:58 AM   #6 
  - It increases pressure in a non-military way  Jim4Wes   Oct-14-07 11:24 AM   #7 
  - The state department has already made that call  Donna Zen   Oct-14-07 11:57 AM   #8 
  - So you don't think  Jim4Wes   Oct-14-07 12:23 PM   #14 
  - Patronize much?  Donna Zen   Oct-14-07 01:43 PM   #58 
     - Your position is a total contradiction  Jim4Wes   Oct-14-07 01:57 PM   #66 
     - Of course I'm not talking about the first version  Donna Zen   Oct-14-07 03:20 PM   #82 
        - What bombs?  Jim4Wes   Oct-14-07 03:31 PM   #83 
           - Nada  Donna Zen   Oct-14-07 03:38 PM   #84 
              - Lieberman lost. n/t  Jim4Wes   Oct-14-07 03:42 PM   #85 
              - Right or wrong, the resolution does NOT negate talk  Jai4WKC08   Oct-14-07 06:20 PM   #115 
     - Clark supporter told a supporter in LA that he was still "uneasy" about Kyl-Lieberman...  flpoljunkie   Oct-14-07 06:33 PM   #117 
        - I believe he supports her decision to vote for both resolutions.  Sparkly   Oct-14-07 11:09 PM   #177 
           - My impression  WesDem   Oct-16-07 09:53 AM   #237 
  - Did the State Department  Jim4Wes   Oct-14-07 12:39 PM   #17 
  - Liebermann is dangerous  The Wizard   Oct-14-07 03:50 PM   #86 
  - Why is Iran a "problem"?  eridani   Oct-14-07 02:17 PM   #73 
  - Thanks Jim...you explained that better than CLARK. I needed that! nt  Auntie Bush   Oct-14-07 06:14 PM   # 
  - Yes. That is precisely Joe LIeberman's hidden agenda, peace with Iran  burythehatchet   Oct-15-07 06:52 AM   #200 
  - It's called pandering.  jmp   Oct-14-07 11:59 AM   #9 
  - So what was Obama's excuse with s970 in March 2007?  Texas_Kat   Oct-14-07 12:00 PM   #10 
  - No, their excuse for that one is, "he wouldn't have shown up to vote for it anyways"  Lirwin2   Oct-14-07 12:02 PM   #11 
  - and yet that STILL beats the hell out of voting "yes" on it  AtomicKitten   Oct-14-07 12:07 PM   #12 
     - No difference  Lirwin2   Oct-14-07 12:26 PM   #15 
     - if you think there is NO DIFFERENCE between a yes vote on this and a nonvote  AtomicKitten   Oct-14-07 12:40 PM   #18 
        - Uh huh. And Obama co-writing a bill identical to kyl-lieberman 6 months ago is totally different  Lirwin2   Oct-14-07 12:42 PM   #19 
        - I realize it's tough rationalizing Hillary's vote for war and more war.  AtomicKitten   Oct-14-07 12:48 PM   #21 
           - Please stop deflecting. I've had just about enough deflecting from you for one day  Lirwin2   Oct-14-07 12:50 PM   #24 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-14-07 12:53 PM   #27 
                 - Once again, no response to my question  Lirwin2   Oct-14-07 12:55 PM   #31 
                    - no matter how you frame it  AtomicKitten   Oct-14-07 12:58 PM   #34 
                       - You should have been a starship captain. SHIELDS UP! DEFLECT! DEFLECT! DEFLECT!  Lirwin2   Oct-14-07 01:04 PM   #39 
                          - ... and Hillary STILL voted "yes" on the IWR and Kyl-Lieberman.  AtomicKitten   Oct-14-07 01:11 PM   #40 
                             - You've pointed out the obvious several times  Lirwin2   Oct-14-07 05:40 PM   #94 
                                - Still can't digest her vote without trying to wipe the shame on others?  AtomicKitten   Oct-14-07 06:34 PM   #118 
                                   - No, I'm just wondering if you support your candidate enough  Lirwin2   Oct-14-07 07:21 PM   #127 
                                      - I accept that that bill never made it out of committee.  AtomicKitten   Oct-14-07 07:27 PM   #129 
                                      - Does that make it ok, though?  Lirwin2   Oct-14-07 07:31 PM   #130 
                                      - comparatively, yes  AtomicKitten   Oct-14-07 07:36 PM   #131 
                                      - Umm.. Hillary DID win on this  Lirwin2   Oct-14-07 08:12 PM   #135 
                                      - The war-mongering GOP won on this issue, not America, and certainly not Hillary.  AtomicKitten   Oct-14-07 08:32 PM   #140 
                                      - Keep praying for that war!  Lirwin2   Oct-14-07 08:36 PM   #142 
                                      - I'll pray that your candidate doesn't continue to take us down that road.  AtomicKitten   Oct-14-07 08:42 PM   #145 
                                      - Uh huh. I'll bookmark this topic  Lirwin2   Oct-14-07 08:48 PM   #146 
                                      - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-14-07 09:46 PM   #152 
                                      - I'm getting The Rush Limbaugh Treatment further down ... they claim that I lie about my military  ShortnFiery   Oct-14-07 09:51 PM   #153 
                                      - Holy shit! They pulled the "phony soldier" on you?  AtomicKitten   Oct-14-07 10:00 PM   #156 
                                      - Yes, they sure did. However, in their defense ...  ShortnFiery   Oct-14-07 10:08 PM   #159 
                                      - I'm hoping the light will go on and people will realize -  AtomicKitten   Oct-14-07 10:14 PM   #163 
                                      - another false charge AK?  Jim4Wes   Oct-14-07 10:34 PM   #170 
                                      - Well, that would mean I had made one before and I haven't.  AtomicKitten   Oct-14-07 10:58 PM   #172 
                                      - Nobody did, a question is not to impugn  Jim4Wes   Oct-14-07 11:05 PM   #174 
                                      - Hello? Can I get into the conversation? I'm expressing an opinion. If that opinion  ShortnFiery   Oct-14-07 11:09 PM   #178 
                                      - Sure  Jim4Wes   Oct-14-07 11:18 PM   #183 
                                      - I am suggesting that his authority may have caused you to believe him "infallible" and your behavior  ShortnFiery   Oct-14-07 11:20 PM   #184 
                                      - my incessant defense is somewhat balanced by your incessant  Jim4Wes   Oct-14-07 11:23 PM   #185 
                                      - Bingo! That's exactly my point. If you REALLY could accept that Clark might harbor HUMAN ulterior  ShortnFiery   Oct-14-07 11:28 PM   #186 
                                      - I tell you what  Jim4Wes   Oct-14-07 11:31 PM   #188 
                                      - keep telling yourself that  AtomicKitten   Oct-14-07 11:13 PM   #180 
                                      - Why should I "tell" myself it, you think I don't believe it?  Jim4Wes   Oct-14-07 11:28 PM   #187 
                                      - Well, I can admit in all honesty that this has been a learning experience for me ... I hope also for  ShortnFiery   Oct-14-07 11:35 PM   #189 
                                      - You have no intention of learning  Jim4Wes   Oct-15-07 02:29 AM   #191 
                                      - I'm sorry that you were caught up in this AK.  ShortnFiery   Oct-15-07 05:20 AM   #196 
                                      - Oh I know exactly who she claims to be  Texas_Kat   Oct-15-07 03:01 AM   #193 
                                      - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-15-07 04:32 AM   #195 
                                      - what obnoxious hyperbole  Jim4Wes   Oct-14-07 10:19 PM   #165 
                                      - Oh, come on, cease with the self-righteous indignation. Clark is only human.  ShortnFiery   Oct-14-07 10:32 PM   #169 
                                      - Once again, you fall back on I am just awed by Clark.  Jim4Wes   Oct-14-07 10:52 PM   #171 
                                      - No, IMO, you can't give up ... come on, admit that Clark is a mere mortal?  ShortnFiery   Oct-14-07 11:03 PM   #173 
                                      - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-14-07 11:06 PM   #175 
                                      - "You are so full of shit." Nice comeback? What's worse is that you don't even realize  ShortnFiery   Oct-14-07 11:14 PM   #181 
                                      - LOL -- you don't "criticize"  Jai4WKC08   Oct-15-07 01:48 PM   #208 
                                      - Don't try to deny it...  Lirwin2   Oct-14-07 09:58 PM   #155 
        - And the way have chosen to obfiscate it  Jim4Wes   Oct-14-07 12:45 PM   #20 
           - I'm sorry you don't have a TV.  AtomicKitten   Oct-14-07 12:49 PM   #22 
              - I do, I had one in 2002 as well  Jim4Wes   Oct-14-07 12:51 PM   #25 
              - did you miss the drum beat to war?  AtomicKitten   Oct-14-07 12:54 PM   #29 
                 - I do hear one  Jim4Wes   Oct-14-07 12:56 PM   #32 
                    - the proof is in the pudding  AtomicKitten   Oct-14-07 12:59 PM   #35 
                       - We are as close to dropping  Jim4Wes   Oct-14-07 01:02 PM   #36 
                          - We cannot afford to hope her "yes" votes as precursors to war turn out okay ...  AtomicKitten   Oct-14-07 01:03 PM   #38 
                             - but what about the precursors to pudding wars?  Jim4Wes   Oct-14-07 01:14 PM   #42 
                                - I'm lactose and war-intolerant.  AtomicKitten   Oct-14-07 01:28 PM   #45 
              - The bill was passed what, a month ago? Where are the republicans using this bill as justification  Lirwin2   Oct-14-07 12:51 PM   #26 
                 - some people learned the first time the dog bit them  AtomicKitten   Oct-14-07 12:55 PM   #30 
                    - So they aren't "beating the war drums to Iran" as you said above?  Lirwin2   Oct-14-07 12:57 PM   #33 
                       - Jimmy Carter has it exactly right.  AtomicKitten   Oct-14-07 01:02 PM   #37 
     - how does that work?  Evergreen Emerald   Oct-14-07 01:28 PM   #46 
        - So, you want to talk about leadership?  AtomicKitten   Oct-14-07 01:34 PM   #51 
           - The clear implication of this trip down memory lane  Jim4Wes   Oct-14-07 01:38 PM   #56 
           - Hillary better stick to other issues because this one isn't hers.  AtomicKitten   Oct-14-07 01:47 PM   #62 
           - but, you are not telling it like it is  Evergreen Emerald   Oct-14-07 01:45 PM   #60 
           - I'm pointing out your faux outrage due to your faulty critical analysis.  AtomicKitten   Oct-14-07 01:51 PM   #64 
              - why don't you answer my questions? All you are doing is being snarky  Evergreen Emerald   Oct-14-07 01:57 PM   #65 
                 - No, I'm putting this debate into proper perspective.  AtomicKitten   Oct-14-07 02:05 PM   #70 
                    - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-14-07 02:12 PM   #72 
           - What about s970 again?  Texas_Kat   Oct-14-07 02:54 PM   #78 
           - So, Durbin's a "yeah war," senator, too? nt  calteacherguy   Oct-14-07 08:34 PM   #141 
              - Durbin voted "no" on the IWR.  AtomicKitten   Oct-14-07 08:39 PM   #144 
                 - But you are saying one is an extension of the other  incapsulated   Oct-14-07 10:27 PM   #168 
                 - No, that's not what I'm saying at all.  AtomicKitten   Oct-14-07 11:08 PM   #176 
                    - "The administration has dipped back into ... IWR....and nobody has  Jim4Wes   Oct-14-07 11:13 PM   #179 
                       - but damn if she didn't pony up those "yeah war" votes to woo the GOP base  AtomicKitten   Oct-14-07 11:15 PM   #182 
                 - But Durbin and others think it will give us more diplomatic leverage.  calteacherguy   Oct-15-07 12:09 AM   #190 
                    - And the best way to promote diplomacy is to peg the other party a terrorist?  AtomicKitten   Oct-15-07 03:31 PM   #215 
  - Two bad bills  Donna Zen   Oct-14-07 01:22 PM   #43 
  - Why do you think Durbin and Levin voted for it? Same reason?  calteacherguy   Oct-14-07 01:59 PM   #68 
     - Because they are "wooinig the GOP"?  incapsulated   Oct-15-07 02:43 PM   #211 
        - Durbin and Levin aren't running for president.  AtomicKitten   Oct-15-07 03:29 PM   #214 
  - I don't understand it either. Never in history has any national army been  robinlynne   Oct-14-07 12:53 PM   #28 
  - Well, technnically, K/L doesn't label the Iranian national army as terrorist  Jai4WKC08   Oct-14-07 01:12 PM   #41 
     - 80 members of the Iranian parliament  Donna Zen   Oct-14-07 01:30 PM   #48 
     - The IRG is military unit, not a knitting circle  Jai4WKC08   Oct-14-07 01:46 PM   #61 
        - The IRG is indeed a military organization  Donna Zen   Oct-14-07 02:29 PM   #75 
     - I don't think Kyl-Lieberman goes anywhere near  seasonedblue   Oct-14-07 01:36 PM   #53 
     - The Iranian National Army is a different branch  Donna Zen   Oct-14-07 03:00 PM   #79 
  - The Kyl-Lieberman Amendment was necessary ..  Tellurian   Oct-14-07 01:37 PM   #55 
  - Wesley, Wesley, Wesley. I am just so damn disappointed in you. I really  acmavm   Oct-14-07 12:09 PM   #13 
  - Why? Because he doesn't conform to your preconcieved notion?  Lirwin2   Oct-14-07 12:34 PM   #16 
  - The problem is: Bush can't read  high density   Oct-14-07 01:33 PM   #50 
  - When can we expect that to happen?  Lirwin2   Oct-14-07 05:44 PM   #95 
  - I thought he was more honest and upright than to support corporatist  acmavm   Oct-14-07 09:52 PM   #154 
  - I feel the same way  high density   Oct-14-07 01:31 PM   #49 
  - Hillary or Obama, either way Clark may be a good Sec. of defense...?  Imagevision   Oct-14-07 01:23 PM   #44 
  - I trust Clark  Evergreen Emerald   Oct-14-07 01:30 PM   #47 
  - Maybe you should  Jim4Wes   Oct-14-07 01:35 PM   #52 
  - He has been exactly right regarding the Iraq debacle. He is a strong, intelligent  Evergreen Emerald   Oct-14-07 01:43 PM   #57 
     - Oops, you misunderstood me, or I was very unclear  Jim4Wes   Oct-14-07 01:45 PM   #59 
        - sorry--fixed it.  Evergreen Emerald   Oct-14-07 01:47 PM   #63 
  - Trust him to what? Say what's politically popular around here?  calteacherguy   Oct-14-07 02:01 PM   #69 
     - I trust him to tell us what he truly believes  Evergreen Emerald   Oct-14-07 02:07 PM   #71 
  - You are fucking wrong, way wrong General...Oh man, what a disappoitment...nt  Nimrod2005   Oct-14-07 01:37 PM   #54 
  - Excellent article. Thanks for posting! nt  calteacherguy   Oct-14-07 01:57 PM   #67 
  - Whenever I begin a diplomatic endeavor, I like to start by calling  rucky   Oct-14-07 02:24 PM   #74 
  - The IRG is not Iran, and Iran is not the IRG.  calteacherguy   Oct-14-07 05:54 PM   #99 
  - We called the military of Iran terrorists.  killbotfactory   Oct-14-07 02:31 PM   #77 
  - It's not...it's just about  zidzi   Oct-14-07 07:06 PM   #123 
  - It's General (RETIRED) Wesley Clark. He's just another civilian now.  ShortnFiery   Oct-14-07 03:01 PM   #80 
  - Its ShortnFiery  Jim4Wes   Oct-14-07 03:15 PM   #81 
  - Oh, I do show respect to those who earn it - Clark doesn't qualify.  ShortnFiery   Oct-14-07 05:23 PM   #88 
     - If your charge had any merit  Jim4Wes   Oct-14-07 05:27 PM   #89 
     - Yes, you still have *stars* in your eyes. Perhaps a career in the military  ShortnFiery   Oct-14-07 05:29 PM   #90 
        - Another charge that amounts to zip. n/t  Jim4Wes   Oct-14-07 05:32 PM   #91 
        - In your opinion. IMO, Generals and Retired Generals are not God Almighty.  ShortnFiery   Oct-14-07 05:35 PM   #92 
           - No its your opinion, as you don't know me, or anything about Clark  Jim4Wes   Oct-14-07 05:45 PM   #96 
              - In your opinion. Gee, we can do this all night. You must really adore him?  ShortnFiery   Oct-14-07 05:46 PM   #98 
                 - Are you old enough  Jim4Wes   Oct-14-07 05:55 PM   #100 
                    - Yes, I do believe that I am. If you want the full meshing of military & politics, General Musarraf  ShortnFiery   Oct-14-07 06:00 PM   #104 
                       - Your statement is absurd & posting that photo of General Musarraf is your propaganda  FrenchieCat   Oct-15-07 02:30 PM   #210 
                          - No, I still think Clark would not be "a bad" running mate, but he is still a political beastie.  ShortnFiery   Oct-15-07 03:37 PM   #217 
                          - Ahhhhh  WesDem   Oct-15-07 03:51 PM   #220 
                          - So true, we are not permitted to re-evaluate the motives of Clark, even with the inane prose above.  ShortnFiery   Oct-15-07 03:55 PM   #223 
                          - Great post!  seasonedblue   Oct-15-07 03:55 PM   #222 
                          - I never denied that he would still be an "ok" VP. Or do you defend his inane arguement above? n/t  ShortnFiery   Oct-15-07 03:58 PM   #225 
                             - You're smearing a respected general who has  seasonedblue   Oct-15-07 04:12 PM   #227 
                                - Oh stop wrapping Clark in the flag and spewing jingoistic nonsense. His prose above STINKS!  ShortnFiery   Oct-15-07 04:17 PM   #228 
                                - I'll defend Clark's record from your baseless smears  seasonedblue   Oct-15-07 04:29 PM   #231 
                                   - It's not SMEARS, but merely a person's opinion who does not want us to continue to  ShortnFiery   Oct-15-07 04:39 PM   #232 
                                - I have to admit that those of you who continue to refer to him as General instead of Retired General  ShortnFiery   Oct-15-07 04:29 PM   #230 
                          - I'll admit that, for a time, you got me sold on him - but I've delved deeper.  ShortnFiery   Oct-15-07 04:03 PM   #226 
        - You know....  CarolNYC   Oct-14-07 06:04 PM   #106 
           - I was open to him for a very short time. But now, I believe my original "take" stands true.  ShortnFiery   Oct-14-07 06:10 PM   #109 
              - Well...you know very little about a lot of things apparently...  CarolNYC   Oct-14-07 06:14 PM   #111 
                 - Back at ya!  ShortnFiery   Oct-14-07 06:16 PM   #112 
     - Why.... you sound like a certain RW entertainer....  Texas_Kat   Oct-14-07 05:39 PM   #93 
     - Oh gee, anybody who doesn't genuflect for "the good general" is a right winger. Got it.  ShortnFiery   Oct-14-07 05:45 PM   #97 
        - Well, he's proven his worth.... still waiting from some indication  Texas_Kat   Oct-14-07 05:58 PM   #102 
           - Please, what great humanitarian action is Clark know for? He's bright, attractive & a former General  ShortnFiery   Oct-14-07 06:03 PM   #105 
              - Oh, please  incapsulated   Oct-14-07 06:06 PM   #107 
              - Oh yeah. I'm sorry that our opinions don't mesh, but it's not martial law ...  ShortnFiery   Oct-14-07 06:07 PM   #108 
                 - Yeah, because I called for your imprisonment  incapsulated   Oct-14-07 06:49 PM   #120 
                    - Oh, I believe SOME people would have others imprisoned if they could have the power.  ShortnFiery   Oct-14-07 06:59 PM   #122 
              - Ask Sadako Ogata and Samantha Power  Texas_Kat   Oct-14-07 09:34 PM   #150 
                 - Gee, and if we would have LISTENED to General (Ret.) Zinni instead of the whorish M$M and HRC  ShortnFiery   Oct-14-07 09:41 PM   #151 
     - I guess you don't know much about either the rank or the people  Jai4WKC08   Oct-14-07 06:10 PM   #110 
        - What? I'm not going to show you my DD 214 but I served four years AD in the 1980s.  ShortnFiery   Oct-14-07 06:28 PM   #116 
           - he sounds like Rush Limbaugh calling you a phoney soldier.  jonnyblitz   Oct-14-07 07:10 PM   #126 
           - Thanks JB.  ShortnFiery   Oct-14-07 07:24 PM   #128 
           - Wrong on both counts  Jai4WKC08   Oct-14-07 07:53 PM   #132 
              - Hey, I'm "a she" too, former Regular Army, LT. In fact there hasn't been a day in my life  ShortnFiery   Oct-14-07 08:15 PM   #138 
                 - Who exactly the fuck do you think you are?  Jai4WKC08   Oct-15-07 01:40 PM   #207 
                    - Oh yeah, that's right? Regular Army Officers can ID with their rank - BFD.  ShortnFiery   Oct-15-07 03:21 PM   #212 
                       - You still don't get it  Jai4WKC08   Oct-16-07 06:22 PM   #238 
           - So what?  Jai4WKC08   Oct-14-07 08:03 PM   #133 
              - No, Zinni was an excellent M.E. envoy who resigned rather than support this insane invasion.  ShortnFiery   Oct-14-07 08:09 PM   #134 
                 - You obviously have an agenda against Clark, talk about political animal  Jim4Wes   Oct-14-07 09:13 PM   #148 
                    - "Obviously" you think so. That's fine - Clark is a politico. IMO, he's spinning like a top for HRC.  ShortnFiery   Oct-14-07 09:17 PM   #149 
                       - Other than edorsing her  incapsulated   Oct-14-07 10:09 PM   #160 
                          - Now you are insulting my intelligence. "Endorsing HRC" pretty much sums it up. n/t  ShortnFiery   Oct-14-07 10:11 PM   #162 
                             - Then why bother arguing this?  incapsulated   Oct-14-07 10:18 PM   #164 
                                - No, "worthless" is hyperbole. However, now that he's fully endorsing HRC, you can't fault those  ShortnFiery   Oct-14-07 10:27 PM   #167 
                                   - I don't fault that suspicion ShortnFiery  Tom Rinaldo   Oct-15-07 02:44 AM   #192 
                                      - I don't fault the suspicious Tom Rinaldo either.  ShortnFiery   Oct-15-07 04:22 AM   #194 
                                         - The sum total of your words on this thread far outstrips mine  Tom Rinaldo   Oct-15-07 06:06 AM   #197 
                                         - Too funny in a sad way. I would not have had to defend myself or my military service if "Clarkies"  ShortnFiery   Oct-15-07 06:24 AM   #198 
                                            - My reply to you was respectful and thoughtful  Tom Rinaldo   Oct-15-07 06:37 AM   #199 
                                               - With respect, I considered your reply as calculated "smoke screen" to confuse the issues.  ShortnFiery   Oct-15-07 07:28 AM   #202 
                                               - Who you choose to trust and why is your business  Tom Rinaldo   Oct-15-07 08:10 AM   #203 
                                               - Then it's a deal. :-) I hope you enjoy your trip.  ShortnFiery   Oct-15-07 08:14 AM   #204 
                                         - "Not unlike Caesar"  Jai4WKC08   Oct-15-07 02:06 PM   #209 
                                            - You need to let go of all that anger and hatred. Yes, Kyle-Lieberman is poison.  ShortnFiery   Oct-15-07 03:29 PM   #213 
                                            - WTF?  Jai4WKC08   Oct-16-07 06:34 PM   #239 
                                            - "They are ALL honorable men." Was that lost on you? n/t  ShortnFiery   Oct-15-07 03:56 PM   #224 
  - I'm pretty sure they get to keep their title, even in retirement  LittleClarkie   Oct-15-07 09:48 PM   #236 
  - I think the point here is that Hillary felt she had to bring out the "big guns" to defend this vote.  flpoljunkie   Oct-14-07 05:14 PM   #87 
  - For Obama, there is no defense.  calteacherguy   Oct-14-07 05:56 PM   #101 
  - Apparently you missed or are purposely ignoring this post from the other day...  flpoljunkie   Oct-14-07 06:17 PM   #113 
     - Link to the public announcement at time of vote, please. nt  calteacherguy   Oct-14-07 07:09 PM   #124 
     - But Biden said that's incorrect, or incomplete,  seasonedblue   Oct-15-07 03:36 PM   #216 
        - ... or maybe what Biden says is incorrect or incomplete.  AtomicKitten   Oct-15-07 03:50 PM   #219 
           - Maybe Biden is incorrect,  seasonedblue   Oct-15-07 04:21 PM   #229 
              - you are trying to defuse his right speak  AtomicKitten   Oct-15-07 05:23 PM   #233 
                 - Obama is entitled to speak,  seasonedblue   Oct-15-07 06:57 PM   #235 
  - Exactly  incapsulated   Oct-14-07 05:58 PM   #103 
  - it speaks volumes  AtomicKitten   Oct-14-07 06:37 PM   #119 
  - He proposed the IWR  sandnsea   Oct-14-07 06:17 PM   #114 
  - He did no such thing  incapsulated   Oct-14-07 06:56 PM   #121 
  - What? LOL! nt  calteacherguy   Oct-14-07 07:10 PM   #125 
  - No he did not.  seasonedblue   Oct-14-07 08:49 PM   #147 
  - more Koolaid, Wesley?  illinoisprogressive   Oct-14-07 08:15 PM   #137 
  - Explain Durbin's vote to me. nt  calteacherguy   Oct-14-07 08:16 PM   #139 
     - Well she won't say that Durbin drank the kool aid  seasonedblue   Oct-14-07 08:37 PM   #143 
  - Trying to use Durbin for cover for the fact that Hillary is gop neocon won't work  illinoisprogressive   Oct-14-07 10:01 PM   #157 
  - Trying to ignore Durbin  incapsulated   Oct-14-07 10:06 PM   #158 
  - hey  AtomicKitten   Oct-14-07 10:09 PM   #161 
     - Sadly, I believe it without reading it, lol  incapsulated   Oct-14-07 10:20 PM   #166 
  - Today, I un-subscribe to WesPac  burythehatchet   Oct-15-07 06:53 AM   #201 
  - Thank you General...nt  SaveElmer   Oct-15-07 08:52 AM   #206 
  - I thought votevets.org was against the Liberman/Kyl bill...  jenmito   Oct-15-07 03:39 PM   #218 
     - of course it doesn't help with diplomatic efforts  AtomicKitten   Oct-15-07 03:54 PM   #221 
        - That's for sure...  jenmito   Oct-15-07 05:34 PM   #234 
 

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