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| 58. EXACTLY How I Feel... As A Liberal, I Voted For Bill Twice, But |
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ALWAYS, ALWAYS knew I was to the "left" of him! I stood up for him because Ken Starr and his cohorts were simply CREEPS and I think perhaps Tripp & Lewinsky were in it together! But he IS a moderate, and his associations with the Bushies have bothered me for a long time!
Plus I have never understood what Hillary's 2 trips (at least) to visit Kay Bailey Hutchison in Texas were all about.
I was asked the other day to "explain" why I felt the way I did, I could have gone on with quite few things, but decided it's not ALL about links to any one thing, it's a combination of many! The Hsu connection, her Kyl/Lieberman vote, her ease in stating she's not going to answer particular questions, the fact that even though she doesn't support the WAR anymore, she simply won't say anything about her vote. Then her statements that she wants to leave soldiers in Iraq as combat forces. I know we have a huge embassy there, thanks to THE IDIOT, DECIDER and it will need guarding, but COMBAT troops don't cut it with me! Perhaps she feels it makes her more "hawkish" but I've had enough of HAWK myself!
And as I've said before, I too was once a supporter, but now she really turns me off. But that does not mean I HATE her, I just don't agree with some of her positions and I don't like the way that MSM has ALREADY made a choice for me, or so it seems!
It's not THAT complicated, and if someone disagrees with her, well we're nuts or something! And when I hear statements like, all those who don't agree with her only MAKES that person support her more is something I don't really understand. It doesn't make sense to me! She's NOT an underdog or anything... so we have been told, so call me STUPID, but it just doesn't make sense.
And I AM NO FREEPER! A long time Democrat who comes from a long line of Democrats!
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| -On the Hillary obsession here at DU |
niceypoo |
Oct-13-07 11:13 AM |
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Bingo |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Oct-13-07 11:18 AM |
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I'll happily recommend. |
seasonedblue |
Oct-13-07 11:20 AM |
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Unwittingly you've illustrated half the problem. |
Forkboy |
Oct-13-07 11:20 AM |
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I Think That's Called A Paradox |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Oct-13-07 11:24 AM |
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I don't care how many it is. |
Forkboy |
Oct-13-07 11:31 AM |
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"Results oriented thinking" - The logic doesn't have to make sense, it just has to advance the cause |
iconocrastic |
Oct-13-07 04:50 PM |
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Thank-you. I noticed that too. |
robinlynne |
Oct-13-07 08:09 PM |
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K & R |
sufrommich |
Oct-13-07 11:23 AM |
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Yep, we are eating our own. |
kstewart33 |
Oct-13-07 11:30 AM |
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No |
Generator |
Oct-13-07 12:16 PM |
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You speak for me. well put. |
robinlynne |
Oct-13-07 08:12 PM |
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You nailed it |
Armstead |
Oct-14-07 08:15 AM |
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If she becomes our candidate... |
George II |
Oct-14-07 09:23 AM |
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Right on |
peace frog |
Oct-14-07 09:35 AM |
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Everyone has a right to their reasons & fears, but to me they sound silly -I liked peace & prosperiy |
papau |
Oct-14-07 10:49 AM |
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The only obsession with Hillary I see at DU |
LWolf |
Oct-13-07 11:31 AM |
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thanks for telling us the hillary slimers are actually supporters trying to rationalize :-) nt |
msongs |
Oct-13-07 11:37 AM |
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Reading comprehension is valuable. n/t |
LWolf |
Oct-13-07 12:18 PM |
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Unreal. n/t |
Jim4Wes |
Oct-13-07 11:39 AM |
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Calling Your Opponents "Pests" Who Need To Be Hit With A Flyswatter Is So Progressive |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Oct-13-07 11:57 AM |
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"trying to rationalize her to her critics" |
sufrommich |
Oct-13-07 11:40 AM |
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No, not at all. |
LWolf |
Oct-13-07 12:17 PM |
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I wholeheartedly acknowledge "expressing opposition" |
sufrommich |
Oct-13-07 12:29 PM |
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No. |
LWolf |
Oct-14-07 08:13 AM |
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Most supporters |
seasonedblue |
Oct-13-07 11:44 AM |
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That could be true. |
LWolf |
Oct-13-07 12:15 PM |
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Hillary probably has fewer "supporters" on DU than anybody |
Kurt_and_Hunter |
Oct-13-07 01:19 PM |
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I have no idea. |
LWolf |
Oct-13-07 02:19 PM |
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You didn't post also that the absolute swift boating of Hillary |
Bitwit1234 |
Oct-13-07 11:37 AM |
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Obama bashers seem to get a free pass around here |
ellacott |
Oct-13-07 12:01 PM |
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I've had a weird reaction: the more irrational hate |
OKNancy |
Oct-13-07 11:47 AM |
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I agree Nancy. |
sufrommich |
Oct-13-07 11:54 AM |
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She's moved into my second place slot , in part, |
wlucinda |
Oct-13-07 11:58 AM |
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That how you reacted to the rage against Lieberman too? |
KCabotDullesMarxIII |
Oct-14-07 10:03 AM |
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FWIW, I used to be a HIllary supporter... |
regnaD kciN |
Oct-13-07 12:01 PM |
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That's the kind of post I give nasty responses to |
creeksneakers2 |
Oct-13-07 12:58 PM |
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"Hill's Shills" by itself is highly offensive. Obama does not have |
Bumblebee |
Oct-13-07 01:36 PM |
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It's not sexism, it's rhymism |
silverojo |
Oct-14-07 03:07 AM |
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just because you have yet to see it, does not mean it is not happening |
hfojvt |
Oct-13-07 04:21 PM |
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Announcing endorsements |
creeksneakers2 |
Oct-13-07 08:38 PM |
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it's not that far |
hfojvt |
Oct-13-07 09:00 PM |
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Precisely! |
George II |
Oct-14-07 09:35 AM |
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(mostly dedicated to the notion that the race is already over, ... |
superkia |
Oct-13-07 06:39 PM |
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We're Not Allowed To Call Out Individual Posters |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Oct-13-07 12:02 PM |
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I saw a thread last night that suggested Hillary planted the Edwards/Enquirer story |
niceypoo |
Oct-13-07 12:12 PM |
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That's What Rush Limbaugh Suggested On His Radio Show Firiday |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Oct-13-07 12:15 PM |
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I agree |
Froward69 |
Oct-13-07 12:22 PM |
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Hatred is a very powerful, yet ultimately self-defeating |
2rth2pwr |
Oct-13-07 12:26 PM |
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She's Fair Game |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Oct-13-07 12:28 PM |
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Part of the problem may be that during non-election periods DU cultivates absolutism and fantasy |
Kurt_and_Hunter |
Oct-13-07 01:00 PM |
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Amazing |
niceypoo |
Oct-13-07 01:42 PM |
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Right on the nose! |
seasonedblue |
Oct-13-07 01:53 PM |
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You can always copy and paste it as a post of yours. No different than posting a blog entry you like |
Kurt_and_Hunter |
Oct-13-07 04:10 PM |
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So what? |
Sparkly |
Oct-13-07 06:41 PM |
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I would love to post that for you Kurt, |
seasonedblue |
Oct-13-07 08:04 PM |
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LOL |
Sparkly |
Oct-13-07 09:06 PM |
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I was attempting to say what you just |
2rth2pwr |
Oct-13-07 02:54 PM |
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You guys are so nice! I'm blushing. |
Kurt_and_Hunter |
Oct-13-07 04:12 PM |
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Very well said and insightful |
incapsulated |
Oct-13-07 03:00 PM |
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Thanks. Sorry for bailing on you on the Gore thing. |
Kurt_and_Hunter |
Oct-13-07 04:28 PM |
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hehe |
incapsulated |
Oct-13-07 04:59 PM |
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Someone pointed me to |
Jim4Wes |
Oct-13-07 05:01 PM |
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Great post! |
creeksneakers2 |
Oct-13-07 06:28 PM |
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Excellent post!!! |
Sparkly |
Oct-13-07 06:32 PM |
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Wonderful n/t |
lamprey |
Oct-14-07 03:19 AM |
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Oh my goodness, is that substance? |
WesDem |
Oct-14-07 05:32 AM |
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You really should turn this into a thread. |
sufrommich |
Oct-14-07 08:12 AM |
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Good points - but "Falsehoods are better at defining a group" is not that logical - all the rest I |
papau |
Oct-14-07 11:13 AM |
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Falsehoods are not always malicious lies. Think of football fans... |
Kurt_and_Hunter |
Oct-14-07 11:49 AM |
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It's sad to see such strong hatred which was once -- rightfully so -- directed |
Bumblebee |
Oct-13-07 12:39 PM |
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Recommended. |
JohnnyLib2 |
Oct-13-07 12:50 PM |
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My sentiments exactly! |
beaconess |
Oct-13-07 12:52 PM |
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I wish you would have also addressed the vile treatment |
ncabot22 |
Oct-13-07 01:36 PM |
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They don't see that |
ellacott |
Oct-13-07 02:20 PM |
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What is the ratio of threads attacking Clinton to those attacking all other candidates combined? |
niceypoo |
Oct-13-07 02:35 PM |
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to me it doesn't seem that out of balance |
ellacott |
Oct-13-07 02:38 PM |
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So you believe all of the other candidates combined recieve the same vitriol as Clinton does alone? |
niceypoo |
Oct-13-07 02:40 PM |
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Please |
ncabot22 |
Oct-13-07 04:25 PM |
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I'll take a shot at intellectual honesty. |
Admiral Loinpresser |
Oct-13-07 01:45 PM |
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FWIW, |
Admiral Loinpresser |
Oct-13-07 01:53 PM |
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Those are all legitamite reasons not to support her |
incapsulated |
Oct-13-07 02:02 PM |
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I agree |
cuke |
Oct-13-07 02:22 PM |
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I just have to speak up |
Jim4Wes |
Oct-13-07 05:19 PM |
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That dog won't hunt! |
Admiral Loinpresser |
Oct-13-07 07:49 PM |
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I'll give you an example that supports the dog |
Jim4Wes |
Oct-13-07 07:53 PM |
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Because of Bush's sky-high |
Admiral Loinpresser |
Oct-13-07 08:02 PM |
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I think she believed the UN |
Jim4Wes |
Oct-13-07 08:10 PM |
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Do you think she suspected bad faith by BushCo? |
Admiral Loinpresser |
Oct-13-07 08:16 PM |
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Its not just about the dishonesty |
Jim4Wes |
Oct-13-07 08:20 PM |
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The military didn't get a vote. |
Admiral Loinpresser |
Oct-13-07 08:26 PM |
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The roll out of the greated as liberators stuff was after the IWR IIRC |
Jim4Wes |
Oct-13-07 08:31 PM |
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The 2000 election IS relevant. |
Admiral Loinpresser |
Oct-13-07 08:40 PM |
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I missed the matter of public record |
Jim4Wes |
Oct-13-07 08:45 PM |
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You've never heard of FelonGate? |
Admiral Loinpresser |
Oct-13-07 09:01 PM |
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Great close, NOT. |
Jim4Wes |
Oct-13-07 09:06 PM |
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Even the Methodist church did a press release Aug 30, 2002 about * going to war w/iraq! |
flyarm |
Oct-13-07 11:22 PM |
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This would fall under |
Jim4Wes |
Oct-14-07 01:05 AM |
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The other point is that for the 45 days befor the IWR vote Bush was sending out word he did not need |
papau |
Oct-14-07 11:39 AM |
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bravo |
Jim4Wes |
Oct-14-07 11:43 AM |
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I'd like to recommend your post, Admiral |
TheDoorbellRang |
Oct-14-07 08:54 AM |
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24 Years of rule by two families. |
rucky |
Oct-13-07 01:54 PM |
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Some people NEED CHANGE |
sandnsea |
Oct-13-07 02:32 PM |
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You mean like when Hillary fought and won to make Plan B available? |
cuke |
Oct-13-07 04:03 PM |
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Oh that's controversial |
sandnsea |
Oct-13-07 05:51 PM |
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Yes, Plan B is controversial |
cuke |
Oct-13-07 07:30 PM |
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It is not controversial |
sandnsea |
Oct-13-07 08:47 PM |
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Plan B is controversial |
cuke |
Oct-13-07 09:03 PM |
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When you have a divisive, pro-war candidate who plays the "Inevitability Card" by proxy... |
zulchzulu |
Oct-13-07 02:57 PM |
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The problems with Bill are not a new thing for some of us |
PurityOfEssence |
Oct-13-07 03:06 PM |
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It all boils down to rationality |
niceypoo |
Oct-13-07 03:27 PM |
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EXACTLY How I Feel... As A Liberal, I Voted For Bill Twice, But |
ChiciB1 |
Oct-13-07 03:54 PM |
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Because The Rethuglicans Wanted Her To Attack Clinton In 00 And She Refused |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Oct-13-07 05:16 PM |
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I lived in AR in '87 |
sandnsea |
Oct-13-07 05:59 PM |
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Repeating falsehoods convinces more people they are true |
creeksneakers2 |
Oct-13-07 06:51 PM |
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The repukes always blames dems for what they do |
cuke |
Oct-13-07 08:12 PM |
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That is my feeling exactly |
niceypoo |
Oct-13-07 09:10 PM |
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That's funny, I was getting the same impression, only about Hillary's supporters |
ginchinchili |
Oct-13-07 03:37 PM |
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Maybe it's an anti money driven coronation obsession? |
eridani |
Oct-13-07 04:07 PM |
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So your argument is as follows: |
niceypoo |
Oct-13-07 04:51 PM |
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My point was that they attack her for being a LIBRUL. |
eridani |
Oct-14-07 12:33 AM |
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./ ignore Hillary posts |
L0oniX |
Oct-13-07 05:57 PM |
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It will change after the primaries |
surfermaw |
Oct-13-07 06:15 PM |
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DUers aren't metamorphosing into republicans, they simply can see beyond her *act* |
Imagevision |
Oct-13-07 06:58 PM |
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the media bends over for the Clintons. |
illinoisprogressive |
Oct-13-07 08:09 PM |
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homophobic much? |
cuke |
Oct-13-07 08:14 PM |
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In Worship? |
DrFunkenstein |
Oct-13-07 08:19 PM |
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Worship? |
cuke |
Oct-13-07 08:21 PM |
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Only for this primary. |
KaptBunnyPants |
Oct-14-07 01:34 AM |
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DU is not a "community". |
wiley |
Oct-14-07 12:56 AM |
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Nothing recommends Hillary more than the cheesy criticisms leveled against her. |
Perry Logan |
Oct-14-07 06:04 AM |
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Great observations |
George II |
Oct-14-07 09:20 AM |
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Gore: "Politics requires tolerance for triviality, artifice, nonsense I have found in short supply." |
RestoreGore |
Oct-14-07 09:33 AM |
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As long as Hillary continues to be the r and media's choice |
LibDemAlways |
Oct-14-07 09:44 AM |
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The republicans want Hillary to be president? |
niceypoo |
Oct-14-07 10:13 AM |
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Or right wing radio, |
sufrommich |
Oct-14-07 10:22 AM |
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I should have differentiated between the lunatic fringe who |
LibDemAlways |
Oct-14-07 10:35 AM |
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Should they hate and fear her? |
niceypoo |
Oct-14-07 10:57 AM |
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Of course not. No reason to. She's part of the Washington |
LibDemAlways |
Oct-14-07 05:29 PM |
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insiders don't hate or fear her - Do you mean she would bring the nation back together? interesting |
papau |
Oct-14-07 11:42 AM |
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As long as Rush and the rest |
LibDemAlways |
Oct-14-07 05:31 PM |
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Thank you for your post. |
TriMetFan |
Oct-14-07 11:30 AM |
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What bothers me the most |
City67 |
Oct-14-07 11:51 AM |
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Civility disappeared when Reagan took over |
niceypoo |
Oct-14-07 05:06 PM |
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Well this is the article I was talking about |
City67 |
Oct-14-07 06:24 PM |
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Your link is exactly what I am talking about |
niceypoo |
Oct-14-07 07:01 PM |
#145 |