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Re: Obama and his faith, the Progessive Agenda and Militant Atheism.
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Edited on Mon Oct-08-07 09:37 AM by Perky
Bluntly. I would rather pick up 20 percent of the evangelical vote and I would gladly sacrifice 80% of the atheists if that is what it takes.

The idea that Obama must pander to such a small minority opinion is far more outrageous than this man's confession of a reliance on his faith to get him through hard times or to keep him humble (as much as anybody running for President can be humble).

Is he pandering? Of course. Is he sincere? Probably. If he is sincere, is it pandering....An interesting question. But the real question is whether or not his confession of faith is dangerous to either militant atheism, the hot button issues or the Constitution. The answer is obviously "no" on all three counts.

If what Obama said yesterday fro a pulpit in South Carolina or from the pulpit at Rick Warren's Church in California or from the pulpit of the Democratic National convention three+ years ago upsets atheists, that is perfectly understandable, but I would submit it is wrong-headed. For the last quarter century, the GOP and their religious enablers have used faith to shamelessly, abusively, hypocritically, despotically, diabolically, effectively drive a wedge through this country. The result has been at one level, great animosity and vilification. But the truth of the matter is that neither the left nor the religious right are happy with the results. We have all suffered through this war as has the nation. I for one am sickened deeply by it.

I would much rather see some modicum of healing of these politically-inspired fault lines, than go through another quarter century of the same thing. Largely because it has inhibited our about to accomplish anything considerable on issues of poverty, education or healthcare and not because of religious sentiment but because ot the fragile political stalemates the alliances have created



I do not for another instant want to see the battle of the last 25 years, perpetuated by the zealots to continue for another quarter century. That is precisely what the radical atheists and the radical right would seem to want. And that is surely what we would get if they had their way and we allow Ms. Clinton to be the nominee.

If you really think Obama's faith is so insideous...so dangerous...that you are actually prepared to allow the crap of the last quarter century to continue then you go right ahead with your narrow agenda and and your temper tantrum. But just remember that as a result either Hillary will end up as President and we will endure a new culture war or we will end up with Republican President once again beholden to the radical right which was resurrected by the Clinton Nomination.

Either way your hatred and fear of anything or anyone that dares speaks of God will have dire consequences for yet another quarter century. Either way it will play out through the perpetuation of the war in Iraq, inadequate healthcare, inferior education and contentious confirmation battles with slimmer margins and less political capital to spend to advance the progressive cause.

At a time when the Religious Right has no candidate and has lost considerable influence, Obama's appeal to evangelicals is not only refreshing, balanced and genuine, it is politically brilliant, necessary and beneficial to the party and the nation.

I would gladly sacrifice 80% of the atheist vote for even 10% of evangelicals and I would do so, not simply because it politically expedient, but because it is necessary for the progressive agenda to proceed.



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  Re: Obama and his faith, the Progessive Agenda and Militant Atheism. Perky  Oct-08-07 09:12 AM   #0 
   The issue is not Obama's faith. The issue is whether he  JDPriestly   Oct-08-07 09:25 AM   #1 
   Of course he will...and that is not the issue IMHO.  Perky   Oct-08-07 09:32 AM   #2 
      Well said. nt  Rydz777   Oct-08-07 09:42 AM   #4 
      He claims he serves his god. Isn't he supposed to serve us?  beam me up scottie   Oct-08-07 09:52 AM   #11 
      No I didn't.  Perky   Oct-08-07 09:55 AM   #15 
         Answer the question.  beam me up scottie   Oct-08-07 09:57 AM   #17 
         Is it impossible to serve both?  Perky   Oct-08-07 10:00 AM   #21 
            Yes. In his capacity as an elected official.  beam me up scottie   Oct-08-07 10:02 AM   #23 
         Thanks for throwing us under the bus.  Goblinmonger   Oct-08-07 10:07 AM   #33 
      He will, will he?  Goblinmonger   Oct-08-07 10:06 AM   #31 
      Name ONE, Perky.  trotsky   Oct-08-07 10:13 AM   #46 
   Yep, election time is nearing again.  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Oct-08-07 09:35 AM   #3 
   Please educate me. Why is this that hateful? A person is either  babylonsister   Oct-08-07 09:44 AM   #5 
   You don't consider sacrificing the rights of a minority hateful?  beam me up scottie   Oct-08-07 09:49 AM   #8 
   That doesn't answer my question, and what rights are being sacrificed?  babylonsister   Oct-08-07 09:51 AM   #10 
      Yes, it does. The op clearly states he will gladly sacrifice atheists.  beam me up scottie   Oct-08-07 09:54 AM   #14 
         No I didn't  Perky   Oct-08-07 09:56 AM   #16 
         Yes, you did. And you preemptively blamed all of the problems on us.  beam me up scottie   Oct-08-07 10:01 AM   #22 
         I said I would sacrifice the votes. And I never blamed anyone  Perky   Oct-08-07 10:14 AM   #50 
            blah blah blah damn uppity atheists blah blah blah ruining the country blah blah blah  beam me up scottie   Oct-08-07 10:19 AM   #55 
               You are reading way too much into it.  Perky   Oct-08-07 02:46 PM   #252 
         Make sure you wear a condom  Goblinmonger   Oct-08-07 10:09 AM   #38 
            ROFL DiD I say that....No I did not...Not even close.  Perky   Oct-08-07 10:16 AM   #53 
               Would evangelicals be happier  Goblinmonger   Oct-08-07 10:22 AM   # 
                  Evangelicals are a very diverse group  Perky   Oct-08-07 10:28 AM   #70 
                     Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-08-07 01:15 PM   #221 
         So you will only be content if an atheist runs? Could Obama, or the  babylonsister   Oct-08-07 09:59 AM   #19 
         It has nothing to do with what they believe or don't.  beam me up scottie   Oct-08-07 10:03 AM   #27 
            So because they aren't atheists and believe in a higher power,  babylonsister   Oct-08-07 10:08 AM   #34 
               No, I don't. Stop misrepresenting my posts.  beam me up scottie   Oct-08-07 10:12 AM   #42 
                  So much for a civil conversation; I'm sorry I even tried. nt  babylonsister   Oct-08-07 10:13 AM   #47 
                     You didn't.  beam me up scottie   Oct-08-07 10:16 AM   #51 
         are you saying you cannot be represented by a theist?  yodermon   Oct-08-07 10:35 AM   #75 
            That all depends  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Oct-08-07 10:37 AM   #77 
            That's funny. I'm quite certain my post is in English...  beam me up scottie   Oct-08-07 10:49 AM   #87 
               Clear as mud.  yodermon   Oct-08-07 11:34 AM   #122 
                  From his speech: "I just want all of you to pray that I can be an instrument of God"  beam me up scottie   Oct-08-07 11:46 AM   #130 
                     Yep. Sounds pretty kooky to me.  yodermon   Oct-08-07 12:24 PM   #170 
                     More dominionist than kooky, although the two are sometimes hard to tell apart  beam me up scottie   Oct-08-07 12:30 PM   #174 
                     Do you really not understand simple religious metaphors?  killbotfactory   Oct-08-07 02:49 PM   #254 
   If I said I'd gladly sacrifice votes of 80% of Christians to win votes from atheists,  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Oct-08-07 10:03 AM   #26 
      No...but I supsect we all think you were politcally naive and would lose the election.  Perky   Oct-08-07 11:49 AM   # 
   Here it would be acceptable  ellacott   Oct-08-07 09:45 AM   #6 
      It would be acceptable to shove aside an entire population of people?  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Oct-08-07 10:09 AM   #36 
         Didn't say anything close to that  ellacott   Oct-08-07 10:20 AM   #58 
            Nasty things have been said in both directions  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Oct-08-07 10:26 AM   #68 
               They don't all get deleted n/t  ellacott   Oct-08-07 10:27 AM   #69 
                  Clearly they don't. For instance, this thread is still alive and kicking. n/t  trotsky   Oct-08-07 10:28 AM   #72 
                     Oh, snap! n/t  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Oct-08-07 10:35 AM   #76 
                     Very true n/t  ellacott   Oct-08-07 10:40 AM   #80 
   Is it our turn to be "sacrificed" already?  beam me up scottie   Oct-08-07 09:46 AM   #7 
   I'm sure he would kick GLBT people off the bus  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Oct-08-07 10:00 AM   #20 
      GLBTs are abosultely welcome on the bus  Perky   Oct-08-07 10:02 AM   #24 
      But just think how many votes we make you lose!  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Oct-08-07 10:05 AM   #29 
      Of course they are.  Goblinmonger   Oct-08-07 10:10 AM   #40 
      Oh you know they're next.  beam me up scottie   Oct-08-07 10:04 AM   #28 
         Good thing I have two butt-cheeks  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Oct-08-07 10:07 AM   #32 
            Shit, they threw PETA supporters off last month.  beam me up scottie   Oct-08-07 10:13 AM   #45 
   Obama specifically includes non-believers in his  geek tragedy   Oct-08-07 09:50 AM   #9 
   Really? And where do we fit in his "Kingdom on Earth"?  beam me up scottie   Oct-08-07 10:09 AM   #37 
      As I said, delusional.  geek tragedy   Oct-08-07 10:21 AM   #60 
         What's this "we" shit, Kemosabe? Speak for yourself. I don't want another delusional president.  beam me up scottie   Oct-08-07 10:25 AM   #66 
            I'm an agnostic.  geek tragedy   Oct-08-07 11:19 AM   #113 
               Good for you.  beam me up scottie   Oct-08-07 11:20 AM   #115 
   I'd just like to keep religion out of politics and politics out of religion. nt  AlinPA   Oct-08-07 09:53 AM   #12 
   That's just not realistic. Religion and politics have always been mixed and will continue to be  maximusveritas   Oct-08-07 09:57 AM   #18 
      I don't care so much about "expressing ones's faith" as I do the agenda of  AlinPA   Oct-08-07 10:03 AM   #25 
      let's be honest, here. religion IS politics  ldf   Oct-08-07 02:29 PM   #247 
   As an atheist, I agree 100%  maximusveritas   Oct-08-07 09:53 AM   #13 
   Yes, Perky's strawman atheists are quite the whiny victims.  trotsky   Oct-08-07 10:11 AM   #41 
   All uppity minorities are "whiny", don'tcha know?  beam me up scottie   Oct-08-07 10:14 AM   #49 
      Been a long time, bmus!  trotsky   Oct-08-07 10:20 AM   #56 
         Me too.  beam me up scottie   Oct-08-07 10:20 AM   #57 
            Just took the summer off. A well-needed break from, well,  trotsky   Oct-08-07 10:24 AM   #65 
               Yep. Too bad you came back to the same threads by the same posters.  beam me up scottie   Oct-08-07 10:30 AM   #73 
   Our offense on this post  Goblinmonger   Oct-08-07 10:12 AM   #43 
   No, why would it piss me off?  maximusveritas   Oct-08-07 10:59 AM   #97 
      The OP is throwing you under the bus  Goblinmonger   Oct-08-07 11:37 AM   #124 
         I'm fine with that  maximusveritas   Oct-08-07 12:24 PM   #169 
   Ah, the "militant atheists"  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Oct-08-07 10:16 AM   #52 
      What rights are being pissed away here?  maximusveritas   Oct-08-07 11:02 AM   #99 
   Man, that must have been some sermon yesterday  Warpy   Oct-08-07 10:06 AM   #30 
   Actually blame can be shared all around  ellacott   Oct-08-07 10:10 AM   #39 
   Non-Christians are the problem?  Goblinmonger   Oct-08-07 10:14 AM   #48 
   I'm saying that we ALL participate in this atmosphere of intolerance  ellacott   Oct-08-07 10:18 AM   #54 
      Just a tip, do not, repeat, do NOT, use logical fallacies to support your argument.  Solon   Oct-08-07 10:39 AM   #79 
      Because even the BIble speaks about false prohets  ellacott   Oct-08-07 10:43 AM   #82 
         That's because of the damned hubris surrounding such posts as yours...  Solon   Oct-08-07 10:48 AM   #85 
            Hubris, that's actually funny  ellacott   Oct-08-07 10:53 AM   #92 
               The Bible also says you must kill non-believers...  Solon   Oct-08-07 11:01 AM   #98 
                  Wait a minute, what the hell are you talking about?  ellacott   Oct-08-07 11:15 AM   #111 
                     Your statement: "Most of those so called religious people on the right aren't even christian."  beam me up scottie   Oct-08-07 11:29 AM   #119 
                        But where did I say all Christians are good? n/t  ellacott   Oct-08-07 11:35 AM   #123 
                           You didn't, but you suggested it in your quote that BMUS quoted above...  Solon   Oct-08-07 11:41 AM   #126 
                              The point I'm making is that I never said that  ellacott   Oct-08-07 11:49 AM   #132 
                                 That other poster was me by the way...  Solon   Oct-08-07 12:01 PM   #144 
                                    Yes, it was you  ellacott   Oct-08-07 12:22 PM   # 
      Who are you to decide who is and who is not Christian?  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Oct-08-07 10:59 AM   #96 
         Are you a Christian?, just curious n/t  ellacott   Oct-08-07 11:03 AM   #100 
            Formerly  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Oct-08-07 11:10 AM   #106 
            Just asked a question  ellacott   Oct-08-07 11:19 AM   #112 
            It's called God-dar  Goblinmonger   Oct-08-07 11:40 AM   #125 
               Is that what it is? Cool  ellacott   Oct-08-07 12:00 PM   #142 
                  Yes, I, sadly, have a God-dar shaped hole in my heart  Goblinmonger   Oct-08-07 12:04 PM   #145 
                     Aw man .....  ellacott   Oct-08-07 12:12 PM   #154 
            Are you?  beam me up scottie   Oct-08-07 11:11 AM   #107 
   Yeah, they're exactly the same. Except one of those groups tried to exterminate the other.  beam me up scottie   Oct-08-07 10:22 AM   #62 
      Actually both n/t  ellacott   Oct-08-07 10:23 AM   #63 
         Right, right. Except we refer to our crusades as 'science' and 'secularism'.  beam me up scottie   Oct-08-07 10:28 AM   #71 
            I'm not sure what you are saying  ellacott   Oct-08-07 10:39 AM   #78 
   Well said. Thank you. nt  AlinPA   Oct-08-07 10:13 AM   #44 
   I thought that is what Obama has been doing???  Perky   Oct-08-07 10:23 AM   #64 
   Tell me, fellow DUers, if you would accept someone saying....  trotsky   Oct-08-07 10:08 AM   #35 
   Talk about strawmen. Yikes  Perky   Oct-08-07 10:22 AM   #61 
      Yes, your original post was all about them.  trotsky   Oct-08-07 10:25 AM   #67 
         Are you saying that people were not having conniptions  Perky   Oct-08-07 10:32 AM   #74 
            Yes, I am.  trotsky   Oct-08-07 10:43 AM   #81 
            umm no... that is not what I said at all  Perky   Oct-08-07 10:58 AM   #95 
               I say that's an issue to be taken seriously.  trotsky   Oct-08-07 11:10 AM   #105 
               That's the same question we've always asked fundamentalists.  beam me up scottie   Oct-08-07 11:27 AM   #117 
            those strawmen in your OP  Goblinmonger   Oct-08-07 11:43 AM   #128 
   Hey, Perky, is this you in your Halloween costume?  Goblinmonger   Oct-08-07 10:21 AM   #59 
   Nice subject-line edit  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Oct-08-07 10:44 AM   #83 
   ???  Perky   Oct-08-07 10:48 AM   #86 
      I think she's commenting on the selective rewording of your op.  beam me up scottie   Oct-08-07 10:52 AM   #91 
      The original subject line was "Obama and his faith."  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Oct-08-07 10:56 AM   #94 
         Not what I said.  Perky   Oct-08-07 11:03 AM   #102 
            Hah  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Oct-08-07 11:08 AM   #104 
            Why then, did 39% of white evangelical Protestants vote for Kerry in 2004? n/t  LoZoccolo   Oct-08-07 11:12 AM   #108 
               More like 21%  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Oct-08-07 12:43 PM   #186 
                  Do you honestly think they thought Kerry would be more likely to "pay up" on issues...  LoZoccolo   Oct-08-07 12:47 PM   #191 
            Oh brother. "move the larger progressive agenda forward"  beam me up scottie   Oct-08-07 11:19 AM   #114 
            Do you honestly think Nominating Clinton will move the progressive agenda forward?  Perky   Oct-08-07 11:34 AM   #121 
               Your willingness to sacrifice minority issues for the greater good is touching.  beam me up scottie   Oct-08-07 11:41 AM   #127 
                  I never said I would sacrifice any minority issue.  Perky   Oct-08-07 11:53 AM   #136 
                     Sacrificing minority votes IS sacrificing minority issues. Stop using weasel words, Perky.  beam me up scottie   Oct-08-07 11:59 AM   #141 
                        No it isn't.  LoZoccolo   Oct-08-07 12:04 PM   #146 
                        How would black people "perceive" it if Perky said he'd happily sacrifice their votes?  beam me up scottie   Oct-08-07 12:06 PM   #148 
                        Lame. n/t  LoZoccolo   Oct-08-07 12:07 PM   #149 
                           Oh, goody, you found a new mantra.  beam me up scottie   Oct-08-07 12:11 PM   #153 
                        I am still waiting for the "Minority issue" to be defined.  Perky   Oct-08-07 12:15 PM   #156 
                           As usual, you defined it for us in your op: "Militant Atheism"  beam me up scottie   Oct-08-07 12:22 PM   #166 
                              Oh please....  Perky   Oct-08-07 12:26 PM   #172 
                                 So it's okay to sacrifice the minorities as long as they represent only a certain percentage.  beam me up scottie   Oct-08-07 12:33 PM   #176 
                                    I am risking offending them and losing their votes not them  Perky   Oct-08-07 12:40 PM   #182 
                                       Thanks. You've made your point perfectly clear.  beam me up scottie   Oct-08-07 12:44 PM   #187 
                        Not well enough apparently  Perky   Oct-08-07 12:22 PM   #165 
                           Not purging us fast enough?  beam me up scottie   Oct-08-07 12:24 PM   #168 
                           Non-believers are on par with Jews, demographically speaking.  trotsky   Oct-08-07 12:36 PM   #180 
                              This should be good...  beam me up scottie   Oct-08-07 12:39 PM   #181 
                              My money says he'll ignore this inconvenient comparison.  trotsky   Oct-08-07 12:48 PM   #192 
                                 His bag of magic words must be empty.  beam me up scottie   Oct-08-07 12:52 PM   #197 
                              Snap  Goblinmonger   Oct-08-07 12:55 PM   #202 
                              Me and my wild, militant, intolerant facts.  trotsky   Oct-08-07 01:03 PM   #214 
                              Half right  dmallind   Oct-08-07 01:08 PM   #218 
                                 Oh yeah, that's right!  trotsky   Oct-08-07 01:16 PM   #223 
            Again,  Goblinmonger   Oct-08-07 11:45 AM   #129 
               Where did I say I wanted right wing votes?  Perky   Oct-08-07 12:17 PM   #158 
                  Have you been reading this thread? n/t  Goblinmonger   Oct-08-07 12:21 PM   #164 
                     Where did I say I wanted right wing votes?  Perky   Oct-08-07 12:54 PM   #200 
                        You say you want 20% of evangelicals.  Goblinmonger   Oct-08-07 01:00 PM   #213 
                           Right I said Evangelicals...not rightwingers  Perky   Oct-08-07 02:16 PM   #239 
                              As you continue to "specify" whom you mean  Goblinmonger   Oct-08-07 02:22 PM   #242 
                                 What's abundantly clear, regardless  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Oct-08-07 02:29 PM   #244 
   What amazes me about this thread is that no one has picked up  Perky   Oct-08-07 10:45 AM   #84 
   The shit in here is too deep to see that far.  beam me up scottie   Oct-08-07 10:50 AM   #89 
   Yeah, amazing how the message gets lost in your strawmen attacks.  trotsky   Oct-08-07 10:51 AM   #90 
   Right. I get it.  Goblinmonger   Oct-08-07 11:48 AM   #131 
      They know we have to vote for them. Just like the GLBT people.  beam me up scottie   Oct-08-07 11:56 AM   #138 
         I meant to say earlier that it was good to see you again  Goblinmonger   Oct-08-07 11:58 AM   #140 
            No trouble, really.  beam me up scottie   Oct-08-07 12:04 PM   #147 
               Why do you hate Jeebus?  Goblinmonger   Oct-08-07 12:08 PM   #151 
                  And you. I don't know how long I can stay this time, though.  beam me up scottie   Oct-08-07 12:12 PM   #155 
                     It's an old propoganda poster I found online  Goblinmonger   Oct-08-07 12:15 PM   #157 
                        I definitely will.  beam me up scottie   Oct-08-07 12:20 PM   #161 
   Recommended. n/t  LoZoccolo   Oct-08-07 10:50 AM   #88 
   Lame. n/t  Goblinmonger   Oct-08-07 12:18 PM   #159 
   the decision has been made within the dem establishment  Enrique   Oct-08-07 10:55 AM   #93 
   I would agree that it has been exploited by the Republicans, with militant atheists' help.  LoZoccolo   Oct-08-07 11:05 AM   #103 
   Don't you have some concerns about this  Goblinmonger   Oct-08-07 11:49 AM   #133 
      this is what I meant by "not very convincing intellectually"  Enrique   Oct-08-07 12:01 PM   #143 
         I don't have a lot of time  Goblinmonger   Oct-08-07 12:07 PM   #150 
            I'm an athiest  Enrique   Oct-08-07 01:33 PM   #229 
   That's ok, we are never recognized  JNelson6563   Oct-08-07 11:03 AM   #101 
   Word.  beam me up scottie   Oct-08-07 11:12 AM   #109 
   It was a reference only to those who feign Hysteria at any  Perky   Oct-08-07 11:14 AM   #110 
      Damn, just busted another irony meter.  trotsky   Oct-08-07 11:24 AM   #116 
      Isn't that special?  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Oct-08-07 11:29 AM   #118 
         I just LOVE being "tolerated", don't you? Shoot, it's almost as much fun as a pelvic exam.  beam me up scottie   Oct-08-07 11:32 AM   #120 
      Nice use of the sexist term hysteria  Goblinmonger   Oct-08-07 11:50 AM   #134 
         Lame. n/t  LoZoccolo   Oct-08-07 11:52 AM   #135 
            Yes it is lame to fall back on terms that are clearly sexist  Goblinmonger   Oct-08-07 11:54 AM   #137 
   The problem is some non-believers lose control of their intellect anytime religion is said to have  BeyondGeography   Oct-08-07 11:57 AM   #139 
   That's right  Goblinmonger   Oct-08-07 12:20 PM   #160 
   Yes, he's given great lip service to people who believe differently than him.  trotsky   Oct-08-07 12:57 PM   #206 
      Sure, if you interpret that way  BeyondGeography   Oct-08-07 02:01 PM   #236 
         "That's all he is saying at the end of the day."  trotsky   Oct-08-07 02:06 PM   #237 
            At best, you're pretending to be open-minded  BeyondGeography   Oct-08-07 02:19 PM   #241 
               As I noted,  trotsky   Oct-08-07 02:29 PM   #245 
   Let's substitute: "I would gladly sacrifice 80% of the blacks if that is what it takes"  beam me up scottie   Oct-08-07 12:10 PM   #152 
   Why do you hate Jeebus? n/t  Goblinmonger   Oct-08-07 12:21 PM   #162 
   Jeesh. It's like arguing with Rod and Todd.  beam me up scottie   Oct-08-07 12:41 PM   #184 
   No lets not  Perky   Oct-08-07 12:21 PM   #163 
      Holy shit, man. You can't possibly read what you type.  Goblinmonger   Oct-08-07 12:23 PM   #167 
      Ok I will insert Padific Islanders  Perky   Oct-08-07 12:34 PM   #177 
      "And people in this thread have the balls to say that there is intolerant stuff posted by atheists."  LoZoccolo   Oct-08-07 12:43 PM   #185 
         Right at the beginning of my tenure  Goblinmonger   Oct-08-07 12:46 PM   #189 
            What happened is that every religion/atheist group was given guidelines for getting along...  LoZoccolo   Oct-08-07 12:50 PM   #193 
            God damned atheists  Goblinmonger   Oct-08-07 12:52 PM   #195 
            He's still scared of her?!?  beam me up scottie   Oct-08-07 12:51 PM   #194 
               Boo!!!!  Goblinmonger   Oct-08-07 12:52 PM   #196 
                  The fact that they're still whining about her shows what a legend she is.  beam me up scottie   Oct-08-07 12:54 PM   #201 
      Thank you for clearing that up. It's only intolerant when you're purging racial minorities.  beam me up scottie   Oct-08-07 12:26 PM   #171 
      Risking pissing off 1% for a chance at 25% is intolerant?  Perky   Oct-08-07 12:31 PM   #175 
         Perky to Minorities: Get Over Yourself. No Group Is That Important.  beam me up scottie   Oct-08-07 12:35 PM   #178 
            I absolutely said that.....but read the context.  Perky   Oct-08-07 12:41 PM   #183 
               When you were picking political parties  Goblinmonger   Oct-08-07 12:45 PM   #188 
               Oh I am most definitely in the right party  Perky   Oct-08-07 12:53 PM   #199 
                  Too bad that tent's  Goblinmonger   Oct-08-07 12:57 PM   #207 
                  I am happy to stand out in the rain with you or bring you in with me  Perky   Oct-08-07 01:14 PM   #220 
                  Now I feel nauseous. What a sickening display of hypocrisy.  beam me up scottie   Oct-08-07 01:18 PM   #224 
                  where?  Perky   Oct-08-07 01:26 PM   #228 
                  So, Perky,  trotsky   Oct-08-07 01:54 PM   #233 
                  Wasn't it NICE of Perky to invite us godless infidels into HIS tent?  beam me up scottie   Oct-08-07 01:56 PM   #234 
                  Progressive my ass.  beam me up scottie   Oct-08-07 12:58 PM   #208 
                     And how is what I suggested leaving anyone behind?  Perky   Oct-08-07 01:22 PM   #226 
                        Weasel words from Obama and more weasel words from Perky.  beam me up scottie   Oct-08-07 01:35 PM   #230 
               That WAS in context.  beam me up scottie   Oct-08-07 12:47 PM   #190 
                  Hardly.  Perky   Oct-08-07 12:56 PM   #204 
                     Why won't you respond to trotsky?  beam me up scottie   Oct-08-07 01:00 PM   #212 
      Lousy math  dmallind   Oct-08-07 01:23 PM   #227 
         Shhhhh. Don't use facts on Perky  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Oct-08-07 02:00 PM   #235 
   At least you make yourself perfectly clear  lwcon   Oct-08-07 12:28 PM   #173 
   !  beam me up scottie   Oct-08-07 12:36 PM   #179 
   Since I'd be part of the selected minority the OP  seasonedblue   Oct-08-07 12:53 PM   #198 
   Unless i'm wrong  Bodhi BloodWave   Oct-08-07 01:21 PM   #225 
   Dearest Perky  lwcon   Oct-08-07 12:56 PM   #203 
   Well at least you question his character rather than his content  Perky   Oct-08-07 12:59 PM   #209 
   First line of your post  lwcon   Oct-08-07 01:03 PM   #215 
      and I clearly meant 80% of the Athiest vote.  Perky   Oct-08-07 01:16 PM   #222 
         I don't expect that you literally want atheists to be sacrificed...  lwcon   Oct-08-07 01:46 PM   #231 
   Very nice.  Goblinmonger   Oct-08-07 12:59 PM   #211 
   You quoted him ???  beam me up scottie   Oct-08-07 01:03 PM   #216 
      The author of the pending sacrifice certainly must get his due  lwcon   Oct-08-07 01:05 PM   #217 
         Oh goodness gracious, yes. He should indeed get his due.  beam me up scottie   Oct-08-07 01:08 PM   #219 
   i Love the miLitant straw men  sniffa   Oct-08-07 12:56 PM   #205 
   Yes, indeed  lwcon   Oct-08-07 12:59 PM   #210 
   I think militant athiests are a real phenomenon  Enrique   Oct-08-07 01:50 PM   #232 
      I am so happy for you that you are just a simple atheist  Goblinmonger   Oct-08-07 02:06 PM   #238 
         What does "militant" mean to you?  LoZoccolo   Oct-08-07 02:25 PM   #243 
            As it is used here and in the mainstream  Goblinmonger   Oct-08-07 02:29 PM   #246 
            Basically  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Oct-08-07 02:32 PM   #248 
            that's not my definition  Enrique   Oct-08-07 02:36 PM   #249 
            If I see the term "militant atheist," what I think of is something along the lines of...  trotsky   Oct-08-07 02:40 PM   #250 
   It seems to me that a great deal of the problem of the last quarter century...  Evoman   Oct-08-07 02:18 PM   #240 
   This proceeds from the fals assumption that all evangelicals are politically conservative.  Perky   Oct-08-07 02:48 PM   #253 
   I don't care if our candidate is religious  killbotfactory   Oct-08-07 02:45 PM   #251 
   Locking  rasputin1952DU Moderator   Oct-08-07 02:50 PM   #255 
 

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