Perky
(1000+ posts)
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Mon Oct-08-07 09:12 AM
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| Re: Obama and his faith, the Progessive Agenda and Militant Atheism. |
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Edited on Mon Oct-08-07 09:37 AM by Perky
Bluntly. I would rather pick up 20 percent of the evangelical vote and I would gladly sacrifice 80% of the atheists if that is what it takes.
The idea that Obama must pander to such a small minority opinion is far more outrageous than this man's confession of a reliance on his faith to get him through hard times or to keep him humble (as much as anybody running for President can be humble).
Is he pandering? Of course. Is he sincere? Probably. If he is sincere, is it pandering....An interesting question. But the real question is whether or not his confession of faith is dangerous to either militant atheism, the hot button issues or the Constitution. The answer is obviously "no" on all three counts.
If what Obama said yesterday fro a pulpit in South Carolina or from the pulpit at Rick Warren's Church in California or from the pulpit of the Democratic National convention three+ years ago upsets atheists, that is perfectly understandable, but I would submit it is wrong-headed. For the last quarter century, the GOP and their religious enablers have used faith to shamelessly, abusively, hypocritically, despotically, diabolically, effectively drive a wedge through this country. The result has been at one level, great animosity and vilification. But the truth of the matter is that neither the left nor the religious right are happy with the results. We have all suffered through this war as has the nation. I for one am sickened deeply by it.
I would much rather see some modicum of healing of these politically-inspired fault lines, than go through another quarter century of the same thing. Largely because it has inhibited our about to accomplish anything considerable on issues of poverty, education or healthcare and not because of religious sentiment but because ot the fragile political stalemates the alliances have created
I do not for another instant want to see the battle of the last 25 years, perpetuated by the zealots to continue for another quarter century. That is precisely what the radical atheists and the radical right would seem to want. And that is surely what we would get if they had their way and we allow Ms. Clinton to be the nominee.
If you really think Obama's faith is so insideous...so dangerous...that you are actually prepared to allow the crap of the last quarter century to continue then you go right ahead with your narrow agenda and and your temper tantrum. But just remember that as a result either Hillary will end up as President and we will endure a new culture war or we will end up with Republican President once again beholden to the radical right which was resurrected by the Clinton Nomination.
Either way your hatred and fear of anything or anyone that dares speaks of God will have dire consequences for yet another quarter century. Either way it will play out through the perpetuation of the war in Iraq, inadequate healthcare, inferior education and contentious confirmation battles with slimmer margins and less political capital to spend to advance the progressive cause.
At a time when the Religious Right has no candidate and has lost considerable influence, Obama's appeal to evangelicals is not only refreshing, balanced and genuine, it is politically brilliant, necessary and beneficial to the party and the nation.
I would gladly sacrifice 80% of the atheist vote for even 10% of evangelicals and I would do so, not simply because it politically expedient, but because it is necessary for the progressive agenda to proceed.
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Re: Obama and his faith, the Progessive Agenda and Militant Atheism. |
Perky |
Oct-08-07 09:12 AM |
#0 |

The issue is not Obama's faith. The issue is whether he |
JDPriestly |
Oct-08-07 09:25 AM |
#1 |
 
Of course he will...and that is not the issue IMHO. |
Perky |
Oct-08-07 09:32 AM |
#2 |

Well said. nt |
Rydz777 |
Oct-08-07 09:42 AM |
#4 |

He claims he serves his god. Isn't he supposed to serve us? |
beam me up scottie |
Oct-08-07 09:52 AM |
#11 |
 
No I didn't. |
Perky |
Oct-08-07 09:55 AM |
#15 |

Answer the question. |
beam me up scottie |
Oct-08-07 09:57 AM |
#17 |
 
Is it impossible to serve both? |
Perky |
Oct-08-07 10:00 AM |
#21 |

Yes. In his capacity as an elected official. |
beam me up scottie |
Oct-08-07 10:02 AM |
#23 |

Thanks for throwing us under the bus. |
Goblinmonger |
Oct-08-07 10:07 AM |
#33 |

He will, will he? |
Goblinmonger |
Oct-08-07 10:06 AM |
#31 |

Name ONE, Perky. |
trotsky |
Oct-08-07 10:13 AM |
#46 |

Yep, election time is nearing again. |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Oct-08-07 09:35 AM |
#3 |
 
Please educate me. Why is this that hateful? A person is either |
babylonsister |
Oct-08-07 09:44 AM |
#5 |
  
You don't consider sacrificing the rights of a minority hateful? |
beam me up scottie |
Oct-08-07 09:49 AM |
#8 |
   
That doesn't answer my question, and what rights are being sacrificed? |
babylonsister |
Oct-08-07 09:51 AM |
#10 |
  
Yes, it does. The op clearly states he will gladly sacrifice atheists. |
beam me up scottie |
Oct-08-07 09:54 AM |
#14 |
  
No I didn't |
Perky |
Oct-08-07 09:56 AM |
#16 |
   
Yes, you did. And you preemptively blamed all of the problems on us. |
beam me up scottie |
Oct-08-07 10:01 AM |
#22 |
    
I said I would sacrifice the votes. And I never blamed anyone |
Perky |
Oct-08-07 10:14 AM |
#50 |
   
blah blah blah damn uppity atheists blah blah blah ruining the country blah blah blah |
beam me up scottie |
Oct-08-07 10:19 AM |
#55 |
   
You are reading way too much into it. |
Perky |
Oct-08-07 02:46 PM |
#252 |
   
Make sure you wear a condom |
Goblinmonger |
Oct-08-07 10:09 AM |
#38 |
  
ROFL DiD I say that....No I did not...Not even close. |
Perky |
Oct-08-07 10:16 AM |
#53 |
  
Would evangelicals be happier |
Goblinmonger |
Oct-08-07 10:22 AM |
# |
  
Evangelicals are a very diverse group |
Perky |
Oct-08-07 10:28 AM |
#70 |
  
Deleted message |
Name removed |
Oct-08-07 01:15 PM |
#221 |
  
So you will only be content if an atheist runs? Could Obama, or the |
babylonsister |
Oct-08-07 09:59 AM |
#19 |
   
It has nothing to do with what they believe or don't. |
beam me up scottie |
Oct-08-07 10:03 AM |
#27 |
  
So because they aren't atheists and believe in a higher power, |
babylonsister |
Oct-08-07 10:08 AM |
#34 |
  
No, I don't. Stop misrepresenting my posts. |
beam me up scottie |
Oct-08-07 10:12 AM |
#42 |
  
So much for a civil conversation; I'm sorry I even tried. nt |
babylonsister |
Oct-08-07 10:13 AM |
#47 |
  
You didn't. |
beam me up scottie |
Oct-08-07 10:16 AM |
#51 |
  
are you saying you cannot be represented by a theist? |
yodermon |
Oct-08-07 10:35 AM |
#75 |
  
That all depends |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Oct-08-07 10:37 AM |
#77 |
  
That's funny. I'm quite certain my post is in English... |
beam me up scottie |
Oct-08-07 10:49 AM |
#87 |
  
Clear as mud. |
yodermon |
Oct-08-07 11:34 AM |
#122 |
  
From his speech: "I just want all of you to pray that I can be an instrument of God" |
beam me up scottie |
Oct-08-07 11:46 AM |
#130 |
  
Yep. Sounds pretty kooky to me. |
yodermon |
Oct-08-07 12:24 PM |
#170 |
   
More dominionist than kooky, although the two are sometimes hard to tell apart |
beam me up scottie |
Oct-08-07 12:30 PM |
#174 |
  
Do you really not understand simple religious metaphors? |
killbotfactory |
Oct-08-07 02:49 PM |
#254 |
  
If I said I'd gladly sacrifice votes of 80% of Christians to win votes from atheists, |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Oct-08-07 10:03 AM |
#26 |
 
No...but I supsect we all think you were politcally naive and would lose the election. |
Perky |
Oct-08-07 11:49 AM |
# |
 
Here it would be acceptable |
ellacott |
Oct-08-07 09:45 AM |
#6 |

It would be acceptable to shove aside an entire population of people? |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Oct-08-07 10:09 AM |
#36 |

Didn't say anything close to that |
ellacott |
Oct-08-07 10:20 AM |
#58 |

Nasty things have been said in both directions |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Oct-08-07 10:26 AM |
#68 |

They don't all get deleted n/t |
ellacott |
Oct-08-07 10:27 AM |
#69 |

Clearly they don't. For instance, this thread is still alive and kicking. n/t |
trotsky |
Oct-08-07 10:28 AM |
#72 |

Oh, snap! n/t |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Oct-08-07 10:35 AM |
#76 |

Very true n/t |
ellacott |
Oct-08-07 10:40 AM |
#80 |

Is it our turn to be "sacrificed" already? |
beam me up scottie |
Oct-08-07 09:46 AM |
#7 |
 
I'm sure he would kick GLBT people off the bus |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Oct-08-07 10:00 AM |
#20 |

GLBTs are abosultely welcome on the bus |
Perky |
Oct-08-07 10:02 AM |
#24 |
 
But just think how many votes we make you lose! |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Oct-08-07 10:05 AM |
#29 |
 
Of course they are. |
Goblinmonger |
Oct-08-07 10:10 AM |
#40 |

Oh you know they're next. |
beam me up scottie |
Oct-08-07 10:04 AM |
#28 |

Good thing I have two butt-cheeks |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Oct-08-07 10:07 AM |
#32 |

Shit, they threw PETA supporters off last month. |
beam me up scottie |
Oct-08-07 10:13 AM |
#45 |

Obama specifically includes non-believers in his |
geek tragedy |
Oct-08-07 09:50 AM |
#9 |
 
Really? And where do we fit in his "Kingdom on Earth"? |
beam me up scottie |
Oct-08-07 10:09 AM |
#37 |

As I said, delusional. |
geek tragedy |
Oct-08-07 10:21 AM |
#60 |

What's this "we" shit, Kemosabe? Speak for yourself. I don't want another delusional president. |
beam me up scottie |
Oct-08-07 10:25 AM |
#66 |

I'm an agnostic. |
geek tragedy |
Oct-08-07 11:19 AM |
#113 |

Good for you. |
beam me up scottie |
Oct-08-07 11:20 AM |
#115 |

I'd just like to keep religion out of politics and politics out of religion. nt |
AlinPA |
Oct-08-07 09:53 AM |
#12 |
 
That's just not realistic. Religion and politics have always been mixed and will continue to be |
maximusveritas |
Oct-08-07 09:57 AM |
#18 |

I don't care so much about "expressing ones's faith" as I do the agenda of |
AlinPA |
Oct-08-07 10:03 AM |
#25 |

let's be honest, here. religion IS politics |
ldf |
Oct-08-07 02:29 PM |
#247 |

As an atheist, I agree 100% |
maximusveritas |
Oct-08-07 09:53 AM |
#13 |
 
Yes, Perky's strawman atheists are quite the whiny victims. |
trotsky |
Oct-08-07 10:11 AM |
#41 |
  
All uppity minorities are "whiny", don'tcha know? |
beam me up scottie |
Oct-08-07 10:14 AM |
#49 |
 
Been a long time, bmus! |
trotsky |
Oct-08-07 10:20 AM |
#56 |
 
Me too. |
beam me up scottie |
Oct-08-07 10:20 AM |
#57 |
 
Just took the summer off. A well-needed break from, well, |
trotsky |
Oct-08-07 10:24 AM |
#65 |
 
Yep. Too bad you came back to the same threads by the same posters. |
beam me up scottie |
Oct-08-07 10:30 AM |
#73 |
 
Our offense on this post |
Goblinmonger |
Oct-08-07 10:12 AM |
#43 |
  
No, why would it piss me off? |
maximusveritas |
Oct-08-07 10:59 AM |
#97 |
 
The OP is throwing you under the bus |
Goblinmonger |
Oct-08-07 11:37 AM |
#124 |
 
I'm fine with that |
maximusveritas |
Oct-08-07 12:24 PM |
#169 |
 
Ah, the "militant atheists" |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Oct-08-07 10:16 AM |
#52 |

What rights are being pissed away here? |
maximusveritas |
Oct-08-07 11:02 AM |
#99 |

Man, that must have been some sermon yesterday |
Warpy |
Oct-08-07 10:06 AM |
#30 |
 
Actually blame can be shared all around |
ellacott |
Oct-08-07 10:10 AM |
#39 |
  
Non-Christians are the problem? |
Goblinmonger |
Oct-08-07 10:14 AM |
#48 |
   
I'm saying that we ALL participate in this atmosphere of intolerance |
ellacott |
Oct-08-07 10:18 AM |
#54 |
  
Just a tip, do not, repeat, do NOT, use logical fallacies to support your argument. |
Solon |
Oct-08-07 10:39 AM |
#79 |
   
Because even the BIble speaks about false prohets |
ellacott |
Oct-08-07 10:43 AM |
#82 |
  
That's because of the damned hubris surrounding such posts as yours... |
Solon |
Oct-08-07 10:48 AM |
#85 |
  
Hubris, that's actually funny |
ellacott |
Oct-08-07 10:53 AM |
#92 |
  
The Bible also says you must kill non-believers... |
Solon |
Oct-08-07 11:01 AM |
#98 |
  
Wait a minute, what the hell are you talking about? |
ellacott |
Oct-08-07 11:15 AM |
#111 |
  
Your statement: "Most of those so called religious people on the right aren't even christian." |
beam me up scottie |
Oct-08-07 11:29 AM |
#119 |
  
But where did I say all Christians are good? n/t |
ellacott |
Oct-08-07 11:35 AM |
#123 |
  
You didn't, but you suggested it in your quote that BMUS quoted above... |
Solon |
Oct-08-07 11:41 AM |
#126 |
  
The point I'm making is that I never said that |
ellacott |
Oct-08-07 11:49 AM |
#132 |
  
That other poster was me by the way... |
Solon |
Oct-08-07 12:01 PM |
#144 |
  
Yes, it was you |
ellacott |
Oct-08-07 12:22 PM |
# |
  
Who are you to decide who is and who is not Christian? |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Oct-08-07 10:59 AM |
#96 |
  
Are you a Christian?, just curious n/t |
ellacott |
Oct-08-07 11:03 AM |
#100 |
  
Formerly |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Oct-08-07 11:10 AM |
#106 |
   
Just asked a question |
ellacott |
Oct-08-07 11:19 AM |
#112 |
   
It's called God-dar |
Goblinmonger |
Oct-08-07 11:40 AM |
#125 |
  
Is that what it is? Cool |
ellacott |
Oct-08-07 12:00 PM |
#142 |
  
Yes, I, sadly, have a God-dar shaped hole in my heart |
Goblinmonger |
Oct-08-07 12:04 PM |
#145 |
  
Aw man ..... |
ellacott |
Oct-08-07 12:12 PM |
#154 |
  
Are you? |
beam me up scottie |
Oct-08-07 11:11 AM |
#107 |
  
Yeah, they're exactly the same. Except one of those groups tried to exterminate the other. |
beam me up scottie |
Oct-08-07 10:22 AM |
#62 |
 
Actually both n/t |
ellacott |
Oct-08-07 10:23 AM |
#63 |
 
Right, right. Except we refer to our crusades as 'science' and 'secularism'. |
beam me up scottie |
Oct-08-07 10:28 AM |
#71 |
 
I'm not sure what you are saying |
ellacott |
Oct-08-07 10:39 AM |
#78 |
 
Well said. Thank you. nt |
AlinPA |
Oct-08-07 10:13 AM |
#44 |
 
I thought that is what Obama has been doing??? |
Perky |
Oct-08-07 10:23 AM |
#64 |

Tell me, fellow DUers, if you would accept someone saying.... |
trotsky |
Oct-08-07 10:08 AM |
#35 |
 
Talk about strawmen. Yikes |
Perky |
Oct-08-07 10:22 AM |
#61 |

Yes, your original post was all about them. |
trotsky |
Oct-08-07 10:25 AM |
#67 |

Are you saying that people were not having conniptions |
Perky |
Oct-08-07 10:32 AM |
#74 |

Yes, I am. |
trotsky |
Oct-08-07 10:43 AM |
#81 |
 
umm no... that is not what I said at all |
Perky |
Oct-08-07 10:58 AM |
#95 |

I say that's an issue to be taken seriously. |
trotsky |
Oct-08-07 11:10 AM |
#105 |

That's the same question we've always asked fundamentalists. |
beam me up scottie |
Oct-08-07 11:27 AM |
#117 |

those strawmen in your OP |
Goblinmonger |
Oct-08-07 11:43 AM |
#128 |

Hey, Perky, is this you in your Halloween costume? |
Goblinmonger |
Oct-08-07 10:21 AM |
#59 |

Nice subject-line edit |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Oct-08-07 10:44 AM |
#83 |
 
??? |
Perky |
Oct-08-07 10:48 AM |
#86 |

I think she's commenting on the selective rewording of your op. |
beam me up scottie |
Oct-08-07 10:52 AM |
#91 |

The original subject line was "Obama and his faith." |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Oct-08-07 10:56 AM |
#94 |

Not what I said. |
Perky |
Oct-08-07 11:03 AM |
#102 |

Hah |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Oct-08-07 11:08 AM |
#104 |
 
Why then, did 39% of white evangelical Protestants vote for Kerry in 2004? n/t |
LoZoccolo |
Oct-08-07 11:12 AM |
#108 |

More like 21% |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Oct-08-07 12:43 PM |
#186 |

Do you honestly think they thought Kerry would be more likely to "pay up" on issues... |
LoZoccolo |
Oct-08-07 12:47 PM |
#191 |

Oh brother. "move the larger progressive agenda forward" |
beam me up scottie |
Oct-08-07 11:19 AM |
#114 |
 
Do you honestly think Nominating Clinton will move the progressive agenda forward? |
Perky |
Oct-08-07 11:34 AM |
#121 |

Your willingness to sacrifice minority issues for the greater good is touching. |
beam me up scottie |
Oct-08-07 11:41 AM |
#127 |

I never said I would sacrifice any minority issue. |
Perky |
Oct-08-07 11:53 AM |
#136 |

Sacrificing minority votes IS sacrificing minority issues. Stop using weasel words, Perky. |
beam me up scottie |
Oct-08-07 11:59 AM |
#141 |

No it isn't. |
LoZoccolo |
Oct-08-07 12:04 PM |
#146 |
 
How would black people "perceive" it if Perky said he'd happily sacrifice their votes? |
beam me up scottie |
Oct-08-07 12:06 PM |
#148 |
  
Lame. n/t |
LoZoccolo |
Oct-08-07 12:07 PM |
#149 |
 
Oh, goody, you found a new mantra. |
beam me up scottie |
Oct-08-07 12:11 PM |
#153 |
 
I am still waiting for the "Minority issue" to be defined. |
Perky |
Oct-08-07 12:15 PM |
#156 |

As usual, you defined it for us in your op: "Militant Atheism" |
beam me up scottie |
Oct-08-07 12:22 PM |
#166 |

Oh please.... |
Perky |
Oct-08-07 12:26 PM |
#172 |

So it's okay to sacrifice the minorities as long as they represent only a certain percentage. |
beam me up scottie |
Oct-08-07 12:33 PM |
#176 |

I am risking offending them and losing their votes not them |
Perky |
Oct-08-07 12:40 PM |
#182 |

Thanks. You've made your point perfectly clear. |
beam me up scottie |
Oct-08-07 12:44 PM |
#187 |

Not well enough apparently |
Perky |
Oct-08-07 12:22 PM |
#165 |

Not purging us fast enough? |
beam me up scottie |
Oct-08-07 12:24 PM |
#168 |

Non-believers are on par with Jews, demographically speaking. |
trotsky |
Oct-08-07 12:36 PM |
#180 |

This should be good... |
beam me up scottie |
Oct-08-07 12:39 PM |
#181 |
 
My money says he'll ignore this inconvenient comparison. |
trotsky |
Oct-08-07 12:48 PM |
#192 |

His bag of magic words must be empty. |
beam me up scottie |
Oct-08-07 12:52 PM |
#197 |

Snap |
Goblinmonger |
Oct-08-07 12:55 PM |
#202 |
 
Me and my wild, militant, intolerant facts. |
trotsky |
Oct-08-07 01:03 PM |
#214 |

Half right |
dmallind |
Oct-08-07 01:08 PM |
#218 |

Oh yeah, that's right! |
trotsky |
Oct-08-07 01:16 PM |
#223 |

Again, |
Goblinmonger |
Oct-08-07 11:45 AM |
#129 |

Where did I say I wanted right wing votes? |
Perky |
Oct-08-07 12:17 PM |
#158 |

Have you been reading this thread? n/t |
Goblinmonger |
Oct-08-07 12:21 PM |
#164 |

Where did I say I wanted right wing votes? |
Perky |
Oct-08-07 12:54 PM |
#200 |

You say you want 20% of evangelicals. |
Goblinmonger |
Oct-08-07 01:00 PM |
#213 |

Right I said Evangelicals...not rightwingers |
Perky |
Oct-08-07 02:16 PM |
#239 |

As you continue to "specify" whom you mean |
Goblinmonger |
Oct-08-07 02:22 PM |
#242 |

What's abundantly clear, regardless |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Oct-08-07 02:29 PM |
#244 |

What amazes me about this thread is that no one has picked up |
Perky |
Oct-08-07 10:45 AM |
#84 |
 
The shit in here is too deep to see that far. |
beam me up scottie |
Oct-08-07 10:50 AM |
#89 |
 
Yeah, amazing how the message gets lost in your strawmen attacks. |
trotsky |
Oct-08-07 10:51 AM |
#90 |
 
Right. I get it. |
Goblinmonger |
Oct-08-07 11:48 AM |
#131 |

They know we have to vote for them. Just like the GLBT people. |
beam me up scottie |
Oct-08-07 11:56 AM |
#138 |

I meant to say earlier that it was good to see you again |
Goblinmonger |
Oct-08-07 11:58 AM |
#140 |

No trouble, really. |
beam me up scottie |
Oct-08-07 12:04 PM |
#147 |

Why do you hate Jeebus? |
Goblinmonger |
Oct-08-07 12:08 PM |
#151 |

And you. I don't know how long I can stay this time, though. |
beam me up scottie |
Oct-08-07 12:12 PM |
#155 |

It's an old propoganda poster I found online |
Goblinmonger |
Oct-08-07 12:15 PM |
#157 |

I definitely will. |
beam me up scottie |
Oct-08-07 12:20 PM |
#161 |

Recommended. n/t |
LoZoccolo |
Oct-08-07 10:50 AM |
#88 |
 
Lame. n/t |
Goblinmonger |
Oct-08-07 12:18 PM |
#159 |

the decision has been made within the dem establishment |
Enrique |
Oct-08-07 10:55 AM |
#93 |
 
I would agree that it has been exploited by the Republicans, with militant atheists' help. |
LoZoccolo |
Oct-08-07 11:05 AM |
#103 |
 
Don't you have some concerns about this |
Goblinmonger |
Oct-08-07 11:49 AM |
#133 |

this is what I meant by "not very convincing intellectually" |
Enrique |
Oct-08-07 12:01 PM |
#143 |

I don't have a lot of time |
Goblinmonger |
Oct-08-07 12:07 PM |
#150 |

I'm an athiest |
Enrique |
Oct-08-07 01:33 PM |
#229 |

That's ok, we are never recognized |
JNelson6563 |
Oct-08-07 11:03 AM |
#101 |
 
Word. |
beam me up scottie |
Oct-08-07 11:12 AM |
#109 |
 
It was a reference only to those who feign Hysteria at any |
Perky |
Oct-08-07 11:14 AM |
#110 |

Damn, just busted another irony meter. |
trotsky |
Oct-08-07 11:24 AM |
#116 |
 
Isn't that special? |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Oct-08-07 11:29 AM |
#118 |

I just LOVE being "tolerated", don't you? Shoot, it's almost as much fun as a pelvic exam. |
beam me up scottie |
Oct-08-07 11:32 AM |
#120 |

Nice use of the sexist term hysteria |
Goblinmonger |
Oct-08-07 11:50 AM |
#134 |

Lame. n/t |
LoZoccolo |
Oct-08-07 11:52 AM |
#135 |

Yes it is lame to fall back on terms that are clearly sexist |
Goblinmonger |
Oct-08-07 11:54 AM |
#137 |

The problem is some non-believers lose control of their intellect anytime religion is said to have |
BeyondGeography |
Oct-08-07 11:57 AM |
#139 |
 
That's right |
Goblinmonger |
Oct-08-07 12:20 PM |
#160 |
 
Yes, he's given great lip service to people who believe differently than him. |
trotsky |
Oct-08-07 12:57 PM |
#206 |

Sure, if you interpret that way |
BeyondGeography |
Oct-08-07 02:01 PM |
#236 |

"That's all he is saying at the end of the day." |
trotsky |
Oct-08-07 02:06 PM |
#237 |

At best, you're pretending to be open-minded |
BeyondGeography |
Oct-08-07 02:19 PM |
#241 |

As I noted, |
trotsky |
Oct-08-07 02:29 PM |
#245 |

Let's substitute: "I would gladly sacrifice 80% of the blacks if that is what it takes" |
beam me up scottie |
Oct-08-07 12:10 PM |
#152 |
 
Why do you hate Jeebus? n/t |
Goblinmonger |
Oct-08-07 12:21 PM |
#162 |
  
Jeesh. It's like arguing with Rod and Todd. |
beam me up scottie |
Oct-08-07 12:41 PM |
#184 |
 
No lets not |
Perky |
Oct-08-07 12:21 PM |
#163 |

Holy shit, man. You can't possibly read what you type. |
Goblinmonger |
Oct-08-07 12:23 PM |
#167 |
 
Ok I will insert Padific Islanders |
Perky |
Oct-08-07 12:34 PM |
#177 |
 
"And people in this thread have the balls to say that there is intolerant stuff posted by atheists." |
LoZoccolo |
Oct-08-07 12:43 PM |
#185 |

Right at the beginning of my tenure |
Goblinmonger |
Oct-08-07 12:46 PM |
#189 |

What happened is that every religion/atheist group was given guidelines for getting along... |
LoZoccolo |
Oct-08-07 12:50 PM |
#193 |
 
God damned atheists |
Goblinmonger |
Oct-08-07 12:52 PM |
#195 |

He's still scared of her?!? |
beam me up scottie |
Oct-08-07 12:51 PM |
#194 |

Boo!!!! |
Goblinmonger |
Oct-08-07 12:52 PM |
#196 |

The fact that they're still whining about her shows what a legend she is. |
beam me up scottie |
Oct-08-07 12:54 PM |
#201 |

Thank you for clearing that up. It's only intolerant when you're purging racial minorities. |
beam me up scottie |
Oct-08-07 12:26 PM |
#171 |
 
Risking pissing off 1% for a chance at 25% is intolerant? |
Perky |
Oct-08-07 12:31 PM |
#175 |

Perky to Minorities: Get Over Yourself. No Group Is That Important. |
beam me up scottie |
Oct-08-07 12:35 PM |
#178 |

I absolutely said that.....but read the context. |
Perky |
Oct-08-07 12:41 PM |
#183 |

When you were picking political parties |
Goblinmonger |
Oct-08-07 12:45 PM |
#188 |
 
Oh I am most definitely in the right party |
Perky |
Oct-08-07 12:53 PM |
#199 |

Too bad that tent's |
Goblinmonger |
Oct-08-07 12:57 PM |
#207 |
 
I am happy to stand out in the rain with you or bring you in with me |
Perky |
Oct-08-07 01:14 PM |
#220 |
  
Now I feel nauseous. What a sickening display of hypocrisy. |
beam me up scottie |
Oct-08-07 01:18 PM |
#224 |
   
where? |
Perky |
Oct-08-07 01:26 PM |
#228 |
  
So, Perky, |
trotsky |
Oct-08-07 01:54 PM |
#233 |
 
Wasn't it NICE of Perky to invite us godless infidels into HIS tent? |
beam me up scottie |
Oct-08-07 01:56 PM |
#234 |

Progressive my ass. |
beam me up scottie |
Oct-08-07 12:58 PM |
#208 |

And how is what I suggested leaving anyone behind? |
Perky |
Oct-08-07 01:22 PM |
#226 |

Weasel words from Obama and more weasel words from Perky. |
beam me up scottie |
Oct-08-07 01:35 PM |
#230 |

That WAS in context. |
beam me up scottie |
Oct-08-07 12:47 PM |
#190 |

Hardly. |
Perky |
Oct-08-07 12:56 PM |
#204 |

Why won't you respond to trotsky? |
beam me up scottie |
Oct-08-07 01:00 PM |
#212 |

Lousy math |
dmallind |
Oct-08-07 01:23 PM |
#227 |

Shhhhh. Don't use facts on Perky |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Oct-08-07 02:00 PM |
#235 |

At least you make yourself perfectly clear |
lwcon |
Oct-08-07 12:28 PM |
#173 |
 
! |
beam me up scottie |
Oct-08-07 12:36 PM |
#179 |
 
Since I'd be part of the selected minority the OP |
seasonedblue |
Oct-08-07 12:53 PM |
#198 |
 
Unless i'm wrong |
Bodhi BloodWave |
Oct-08-07 01:21 PM |
#225 |

Dearest Perky |
lwcon |
Oct-08-07 12:56 PM |
#203 |
 
Well at least you question his character rather than his content |
Perky |
Oct-08-07 12:59 PM |
#209 |
  
First line of your post |
lwcon |
Oct-08-07 01:03 PM |
#215 |
 
and I clearly meant 80% of the Athiest vote. |
Perky |
Oct-08-07 01:16 PM |
#222 |
 
I don't expect that you literally want atheists to be sacrificed... |
lwcon |
Oct-08-07 01:46 PM |
#231 |
 
Very nice. |
Goblinmonger |
Oct-08-07 12:59 PM |
#211 |
 
You quoted him ??? |
beam me up scottie |
Oct-08-07 01:03 PM |
#216 |

The author of the pending sacrifice certainly must get his due |
lwcon |
Oct-08-07 01:05 PM |
#217 |

Oh goodness gracious, yes. He should indeed get his due. |
beam me up scottie |
Oct-08-07 01:08 PM |
#219 |

i Love the miLitant straw men |
sniffa |
Oct-08-07 12:56 PM |
#205 |
 
Yes, indeed |
lwcon |
Oct-08-07 12:59 PM |
#210 |
 
I think militant athiests are a real phenomenon |
Enrique |
Oct-08-07 01:50 PM |
#232 |

I am so happy for you that you are just a simple atheist |
Goblinmonger |
Oct-08-07 02:06 PM |
#238 |

What does "militant" mean to you? |
LoZoccolo |
Oct-08-07 02:25 PM |
#243 |

As it is used here and in the mainstream |
Goblinmonger |
Oct-08-07 02:29 PM |
#246 |
 
Basically |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Oct-08-07 02:32 PM |
#248 |
 
that's not my definition |
Enrique |
Oct-08-07 02:36 PM |
#249 |

If I see the term "militant atheist," what I think of is something along the lines of... |
trotsky |
Oct-08-07 02:40 PM |
#250 |

It seems to me that a great deal of the problem of the last quarter century... |
Evoman |
Oct-08-07 02:18 PM |
#240 |
 
This proceeds from the fals assumption that all evangelicals are politically conservative. |
Perky |
Oct-08-07 02:48 PM |
#253 |

I don't care if our candidate is religious |
killbotfactory |
Oct-08-07 02:45 PM |
#251 |

Locking |
rasputin1952 |
Oct-08-07 02:50 PM |
#255 |