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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 10:25 AM
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27. Edwards: "You don't have to believe in God to be moral."
Okay, this is not a "major speech", but I'm just looking quickly and on the fly. He is, head and shoulders, WAY OUT IN FRONT ON THE SUBJECT OF KEEPING RELIGION OUT OF THE POLITICAL FORUM. He's more forward-leaning on this than ANYONE else, including Kucinich. Not only does he deserve great credit for this, it should be seen as an extension of his deep belief in fairness. Please read the Daily Kos link below.

He has been way out in front on keeping religion out of the debate, and this exchange from the Logo forum shows that fairly clearly, and also puts the gay marriage issue into context.

And finally, Senator, you've expressed your opposition to same sex marriage, and you've raised your faith as part of the reason for your opposition. I'm
wondering if you could talk a little bit about what is it within your religion that's leading you to this position?
Well, you know, I have to tell you I shouldn't have said that, because first of all, I believe to my core in equality. My campaign for the presidency is about
equality across the board.
And I listened to your discussion with Senator Obama a few minutes ago. I was backstage, and I was able to hear what you were saying and what anyone
here was saying. And it makes perfect sense to me that gay and lesbian couples would say, "Civil unions -- great; 1,100 federal benefits -- great; you know, give
us these rights. We deserve these rights." And they're absolutely right about that. But it stops short of real equality.
It makes perfect sense to me that people would feel that way. I totally can understand it. It makes sense. And the only thing I would say about the faith
question is I think from my perspective it is wrong, because we have seen a president in the last six-plus years who tries to impose his faith on the American
people. And I think it is a mistake, and I will not impose my faith belief on the American people. I don't believe any president of the United States should do that.
I believe in the separation of church and state.
And these things that we have talked about -- all these substantive issues of equality, which is really what the discussion has been about, these are part of my
heart soul and core. And they are not just issues that I will answer when I am in front of you. They are things that I will fight for every day, both in the
presidential campaign and as president of the United States, because I think America desperately needs it, and I believe in it deeply.

CAN YOU IMAGINE HILLARY CLINTON SAYING THAT? Not bloodly likely; her very heart and soul is devoted to AVOIDING anything truly controversial.
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  -OBAMA in 2004: "We pray to an awesome God in blue states and wndycty  Sep-25-07 12:01 AM   #0 
  - That speech was fantastic  southlandshari   Sep-25-07 12:11 AM   #1 
  - C-Span will run it now and then.  Old Crusoe   Sep-25-07 12:33 AM   #12 
  - You can watch it @  Sapphire Blue   Sep-25-07 01:05 AM   #15 
     - Thank you for the link!  southlandshari   Sep-25-07 01:14 AM   #16 
  - I like Obama, but unity can be overrated  bluestateguy   Sep-25-07 12:13 AM   #2 
  - People just want any excuse to trash him, wndy.  illinoisprogressive   Sep-25-07 12:25 AM   #3 
  - I'm a non-believer and I LOVE me some Obama  thecatburgler   Sep-25-07 12:25 AM   #4 
  - Here here!  wndycty   Sep-25-07 12:29 AM   #5 
  - I am not religious myself but,  illinoisprogressive   Sep-25-07 12:29 AM   #6 
     - As an African American I concur  wndycty   Sep-25-07 12:30 AM   #8 
  - One thing Clinton and Obama agree upon: there just isn't enough religion in the mix  PurityOfEssence   Sep-25-07 12:29 AM   #7 
  - That is what you say, but you do know at some point he will campaign in Black churches. . .  wndycty   Sep-25-07 12:31 AM   #10 
  - Obama has actually taken a stand  sandnsea   Sep-25-07 12:34 AM   #13 
  - Thank you. Obama acknowledged non-believers in a major speech.  thecatburgler   Sep-25-07 01:17 AM   #17 
     - Interview with a right wing fundie  sandnsea   Sep-25-07 01:54 AM   #18 
     - Edwards: "You don't have to believe in God to be moral."  PurityOfEssence   Sep-25-07 10:25 AM   #27 
        - Answer this, what will your reaction be if Edwards campaigns at reaches out to Black churches  wndycty   Sep-25-07 10:39 AM   #28 
        - Gladly. My reaction would depend on the context, frequency and content  PurityOfEssence   Sep-25-07 01:20 PM   #35 
           - Well lets archive this thread and see how Edwards behaves in Black churches  wndycty   Sep-25-07 02:21 PM   #36 
           - "from a crowd of 1,800 at Brookland Baptist Church"  wndycty   Sep-26-07 02:31 PM   #44 
        - Good for Edwards, I didn't see that part of the LOGO forum  thecatburgler   Sep-25-07 11:25 AM   #31 
  - THANK YOU  Skittles   Sep-25-07 04:10 AM   #20 
  - The speech in Boston did put Senator Obama on a lot of people's political  Old Crusoe   Sep-25-07 12:31 AM   #9 
  - the only one who challenges the radical right  sandnsea   Sep-25-07 12:31 AM   #11 
  - Reaction to the faith tour in Carolina ought to be withheld until it  Old Crusoe   Sep-25-07 12:44 AM   #14 
  - K&R  DeepModem Mom   Sep-25-07 02:22 AM   #19 
  - I thought he said a totally awesome God  Enrique   Sep-25-07 05:34 AM   #21 
  - He said "awesome". In your mind, you naturally heard "totally awesome"...  jefferson_dem   Sep-25-07 06:03 AM   #22 
  - He didn't - he is not responsible for anyone else's snarky memory  karynnj   Sep-25-07 06:45 AM   #23 
     - Yes but some DUers don't want to rise about the ugliness. . .  wndycty   Sep-25-07 08:14 AM   #24 
  - People who bash Obama's unity message forget that the MAJORITY is on OUR side.  Odin2005   Sep-25-07 08:30 AM   #25 
  - This speach turned me off to Obama big time  DinoBoy   Sep-25-07 09:15 AM   #26 
  - Democrats are religious, however they do not wear it on their sleeves.  Ethelk2044   Sep-25-07 11:03 AM   #29 
  - He does the exact opposite  sandnsea   Sep-25-07 11:22 AM   #30 
  - And this has what to do with his "Awesome God" speech?  DinoBoy   Sep-25-07 10:13 PM   #42 
  - Huh?!?!?  Hard_Work   Sep-25-07 12:14 PM   #32 
  - Maybe It's Because  Forrest Greene   Sep-25-07 12:28 PM   #33 
  - I much prefer REALITY-BASED rhetoric.  CTD   Sep-25-07 12:57 PM   #34 
  - Pandering to a group who will NEVER vote for you  depakid   Sep-25-07 02:37 PM   #37 
  - Very narrow minded of you, a significant part of the faith vote is the African American church  wndycty   Sep-25-07 03:02 PM   #38 
     - Now, lets be honest here  depakid   Sep-25-07 03:32 PM   #39 
        - Oh the horror. . .  wndycty   Sep-25-07 03:50 PM   #40 
           - All I said was that it was pandering to people  depakid   Sep-25-07 04:03 PM   #41 
  - That was a great speech!  Sparkly   Sep-25-07 10:15 PM   #43 

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