ClassWarrior
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Sun Sep-16-07 12:07 PM
Response to Reply #18 |
| 21. C'mon!! Red meat? That was mild. |
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I think that most in the middle wouldn't have read any of the ad if the RW hadn't given us this PR gift.
And, as you'll see in my post below, I'm only making educated guesses. Unlike you, who cite anonymous "polls" with no links.
NGU.
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| -Frank Rich: "left-wing brand of juvenile name-calling" |
beaconess |
Sep-16-07 11:49 AM |
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And that's the only paragraph in that piece I took exception to. Go figure. nt |
babylonsister |
Sep-16-07 11:51 AM |
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LOL me too |
proud2Blib |
Sep-16-07 11:55 AM |
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Bunk, I discovered the name General Betray Us in March 2007 and referred to Bush with that name. |
liberaldemocrat7 |
Sep-17-07 02:04 AM |
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I've always objected to the tactic of twisting adversaries' names in political debate |
beaconess |
Sep-16-07 11:55 AM |
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Me too. I think "Betray us?" was eye-catching, succinct & to the point. -eom |
Justitia |
Sep-16-07 12:00 PM |
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Exactly. Why do you think they howled so loud? |
ClassWarrior |
Sep-16-07 12:01 PM |
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And they are still howling... |
stimbox |
Sep-16-07 12:11 PM |
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Let 'Em Howl. And Let Them Fuck Themselves While Howling. |
Paladin |
Sep-16-07 02:47 PM |
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Right, if EVER there were a time for democratic candidates to NOT parse words NOR "play nice" ... |
ShortnFiery |
Sep-16-07 02:57 PM |
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He is right ... |
Cosmocat |
Sep-18-07 10:22 AM |
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i just wish the dems hadn't backed down |
ellenfl |
Sep-16-07 11:54 AM |
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But WAS "Defeatocrats" criticized? Or are only Democratic responses in kind taken to task? |
WinkyDink |
Sep-16-07 11:54 AM |
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It doesn't matter whether it was criticized or not. We shouldn't turn into them just because |
beaconess |
Sep-16-07 11:59 AM |
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and dont forget |
The Gunslinger |
Sep-16-07 12:50 PM |
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We want to emulate THAT? |
beaconess |
Sep-16-07 01:04 PM |
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I'd prefer not to see the name calling, but |
The Gunslinger |
Sep-16-07 01:18 PM |
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Zero upside to "Betray Us" |
BeyondGeography |
Sep-16-07 11:56 AM |
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Interesting that you ignore those in the middle. |
ClassWarrior |
Sep-16-07 11:59 AM |
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Do you have any numbers on "those in the middle" who read the substance of the ad |
beaconess |
Sep-16-07 12:04 PM |
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C'mon!! Red meat? That was mild. |
ClassWarrior |
Sep-16-07 12:07 PM |
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True dat |
gratuitous |
Sep-16-07 12:39 PM |
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Bill Schneifer , Chief Political Analyst--MoveOn AD Distraction |
OHdem10 |
Sep-16-07 11:57 AM |
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Right. Like we need to "give" them something to whine about. |
ClassWarrior |
Sep-16-07 11:58 AM |
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u nailed it. -eom |
Justitia |
Sep-16-07 12:01 PM |
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The headline got attention. But few who didn't already agree with us saw anything beyond it |
beaconess |
Sep-16-07 12:02 PM |
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I'm guessing that we compelled millions in the middle to... |
ClassWarrior |
Sep-16-07 12:04 PM |
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Not according to the polls - which shows a slight uptick in support for the war |
beaconess |
Sep-16-07 12:06 PM |
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What "polls"? Links please? |
ClassWarrior |
Sep-16-07 12:08 PM |
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And while we're waiting, I'd like to remind you that it's not a war. |
ClassWarrior |
Sep-16-07 12:17 PM |
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Lets forget this blunder and move on. |
zonkers |
Sep-16-07 11:59 AM |
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Play on his name or not |
Nite Owl |
Sep-16-07 12:02 PM |
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Then THAT's what should have been discussed - the namecalling was just stupid |
beaconess |
Sep-16-07 12:06 PM |
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There was no name calling. |
stimbox |
Sep-16-07 12:15 PM |
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It was a great ad. It was true and we are being betrayed.. |
madfloridian |
Sep-16-07 12:08 PM |
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Rich as usual expects the Democrats to appease the |
OHdem10 |
Sep-16-07 12:19 PM |
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Ah, yes - Frank Rich. Enemy of the Democrats. Of course. n/t |
beaconess |
Sep-16-07 12:20 PM |
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Still looking for the links to those "polls"? |
ClassWarrior |
Sep-16-07 12:39 PM |
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Then I suggest you re-read my post |
beaconess |
Sep-16-07 12:41 PM |
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I don't see any polls. Just Rich's opinion piece. |
ClassWarrior |
Sep-16-07 12:42 PM |
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You're reading the wrong post. Read the post that actually mentioned the polls! |
beaconess |
Sep-16-07 12:48 PM |
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The polling periods in ALL of those polls were before the ad ran. |
ClassWarrior |
Sep-16-07 01:05 PM |
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I hear crickets... |
ClassWarrior |
Sep-16-07 04:28 PM |
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You're wrong |
beaconess |
Sep-16-07 08:10 PM |
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I agree. I think effective communication ought to win out over the |
JerseygirlCT |
Sep-16-07 12:29 PM |
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Unfortunately, many on our side fell right into Bush's trap |
beaconess |
Sep-16-07 12:46 PM |
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almost as if it were sabotage from within |
Supersedeas |
Sep-18-07 10:12 AM |
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Yeah, good luck keeping us liberal democrats LOYAL to your corporate masters. |
ShortnFiery |
Sep-16-07 12:42 PM |
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Yes - Frank Rich has always been a tool of the Bush Administration |
beaconess |
Sep-16-07 12:50 PM |
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I've not ever claimed to be "a Frank Rich fan" |
ShortnFiery |
Sep-16-07 12:54 PM |
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Wes Clark agrees with you. He was on CNN this am and said |
durrrty libby |
Sep-16-07 01:00 PM |
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CNN = Corporate News Network ... Soon to be promoting the next pre-emptive war with Iran! |
ShortnFiery |
Sep-16-07 01:01 PM |
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Wes Clark is wrong about Pretraeus |
Larkspur |
Sep-16-07 04:57 PM |
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general petraeus -- the man who wants to be president 2012 |
xchrom |
Sep-16-07 01:50 PM |
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The juvenile name calling is the main reason why the |
dugggy |
Sep-17-07 02:31 AM |
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OMG |
Skittles |
Sep-17-07 02:59 AM |
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Maybe on drugs, maybe on |
DemBones DemBones |
Sep-17-07 05:07 PM |
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his name plus the fact the bastard DID betray us |
Skittles |
Sep-17-07 07:25 PM |
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Yes - Swiftboat means plenty to me - that's why I don't want us to imitate them!! |
beaconess |
Sep-17-07 08:00 PM |
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You're Playing Directly Into The Right Wing's Hands |
Paladin |
Sep-17-07 08:45 PM |
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You apparently don't know the difference between focused outrage and childish ranting n/t |
beaconess |
Sep-18-07 09:38 AM |
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I have to believe we are better than the repukes.. |
dugggy |
Sep-17-07 09:36 PM |
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PLEASE STOP IT |
Skittles |
Sep-17-07 02:57 AM |
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The "name calling" got it the publicity, otherwise it would have been |
tsuki |
Sep-17-07 06:54 AM |
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...and the publicity was uniformly negative, |
robcon |
Sep-17-07 07:25 AM |
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Depends. It played well down here. A lot of people heard about the ad and |
tsuki |
Sep-17-07 05:04 PM |
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Call him every name in the damn book |
enough already |
Sep-17-07 07:07 AM |
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The NY Times shilling for the Bush administration? |
jmp |
Sep-17-07 07:40 AM |
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I'm still waiting for Frank Rich to apologize to Al Gore |
Joe Bacon |
Sep-17-07 07:46 AM |
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Damn straight! Any of you who aren't reading |
DemBones DemBones |
Sep-17-07 05:12 PM |
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I agree |
AnnieBW |
Sep-17-07 05:11 PM |
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Oh yeah, like Frank Rich is the |
zidzi |
Sep-17-07 05:22 PM |
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