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Reply #15: Gelber admits they did not fight the GOP about the primary. [View All]

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Fri Aug-31-07 03:31 PM
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15. Gelber admits they did not fight the GOP about the primary. Updated at 7:33 PM
But he still blames Dean and the DNC for party infighting. Frankly I have not seen any fighting on Dean's part as chair...just standing firm for the rules. Yet he tells Dean to stop the circular firing squad. No, Dan, you guys need to stop it. Sometimes you have to just back down and tell the whole truth.

This is what he wrote to Dean in a letter August 30. The link is to a Word document with the letter.

Dan Gelber's letter to Howard Dean

Someone emailed me personally to stop the personal firing squad. I did not take offense.

We may have disagreements, but please, let’s retire the circular firing squad.

Much of the back and forth and criticism of Florida by the DNC has been focused on the conduct of the Democratic legislators who – some argue – did not fight against the early primary bill. Yes, there is gambling in Casablanca. Of course we didn't fight against the bill. When the Republican leadership made it clear that this was their priority, Democrats had two choices: support something their constituents support and that was going to become law anyway; or support the DNC Rules Committee enforcement of a primary system that our constituents revile. For me, this decision was easy.


But see, Dan Gelber, at the risk of sounding like part of the "circular firing squad"....you knew the rules. The rules said Democrats controlled by Republicans had to show they fought back.

So may I remind you of the way you "pretended" to fight back while you insulted the chairman of the party in public? And laughed?

What the Rules Committee knew when they voted

1. Florida Democratic Legislators sponsored the bill to move the primary to January 29th;

2. Florida House Democratic Legislators voted in committee three times for the bill to move the primary to January 29;

3. All but one Florida House Democratic Legislator vote on the floor to move the primary to January 29; and,

4. Florida House Democratic Leader Dan Gelber stated, after receiving a call from DNC Chair asking for help in opposing setting the primary date before February 5, “I don’t represent Howard Dean.”

5. Florida House Democratic Leader Dan Gelber stated, after offering an amendment to move the primary to February 5th, that the only reason he offer it was “to show that there was an attempt to state within the Democratic Party rules.” The amendment failed on a voice vote with no debate being offered.


6. Florida Senate Democratic Legislators voted in committee to move the primary to January;

7. Florida Senate Democratic Leader Steve Geller stated on the Senate floor that he was offering an amendment to move the primary to February 5 only because he was threatened by DNC Chair Howard Dean. Sen. Geller than mocked his own amendment which failed on a voice vote without any debate.


There is a time to stop the accusations and come together. You started it, you go first.

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  "Dean was conciliatory and offered DNC help for the state"..hour long phone call madfloridian  Aug-31-07 02:19 AM   #0 
   I Must Admit To Being Baffled By The Entire Primary Calendar  lligrd   Aug-31-07 02:34 AM   #1 
   It has not been a problem until recently.  DURHAM D   Aug-31-07 02:56 AM   #2 
   So The Caucus States Went Earlier Because ??  lligrd   Aug-31-07 03:15 AM   #4 
   It has not been a problem until recently.  DURHAM D   Aug-31-07 02:56 AM   #3 
   Florida can set the date, but the DNC can establish delegate rules.  madfloridian   Aug-31-07 11:02 AM   #6 
   Another suggestion to the Florida Democrats..stop calling for party bloodshed  madfloridian   Aug-31-07 10:34 AM   #5 
   It's not even bluster.  antiwarwarrior   Aug-31-07 11:44 AM   #7 
   If Dean caves in on this, states will start having primaries in December.  Deep13   Aug-31-07 11:45 AM   #8 
   They won't cave in. They can't. They will take away Michigan's delegates also.  madfloridian   Aug-31-07 12:06 PM   #12 
      delete  orangepeel68   Aug-31-07 04:25 PM   #20 
   Dean didn't start this mess, and it's a shame to see him attacked,  seasonedblue   Aug-31-07 11:49 AM   #9 
   Not unless the GOP wants to....BUT they can quit spreading lies.  madfloridian   Aug-31-07 11:58 AM   #10 
   Ok, I get what you're saying.  seasonedblue   Aug-31-07 12:07 PM   #13 
   they can make the primary nonbinding and hold a caucus later  orangepeel68   Aug-31-07 04:26 PM   #21 
   To make it clear...if they work out something to have vote after Feb. 5 delegates will count.  madfloridian   Aug-31-07 12:03 PM   #11 
   Thanks for the explanation.  seasonedblue   Aug-31-07 12:09 PM   #14 
   Gelber admits they did not fight the GOP about the primary.  madfloridian   Aug-31-07 03:31 PM   #15 
   Gelber admits it , but they just keep on.  madfloridian   Sep-09-07 06:26 PM   #40 
   I don't how know true this is re Michigan  WesDem   Aug-31-07 03:47 PM   #16 
   That's most likely correct.  madfloridian   Aug-31-07 03:53 PM   #17 
      How does the primary v. caucus play in?  WesDem   Aug-31-07 04:07 PM   #18 
         To be very frank...and leave myself open to attack here.  madfloridian   Aug-31-07 04:24 PM   #19 
            In the interest of disclosure ...  jmp   Aug-31-07 09:01 PM   #34 
   MF, did you see this thread?  WesDem   Aug-31-07 05:59 PM   #22 
   Thanks, I will check it out.  madfloridian   Aug-31-07 06:01 PM   #23 
   Jesus, All Politicians are stuck in the "mine, mine!" and "Me first!" stages of childhood  steelyboo   Aug-31-07 06:35 PM   #24 
   Breaking News on Michigan  WesDem   Aug-31-07 07:48 PM   #25 
   Rather disappointed in Brewer.  madfloridian   Aug-31-07 07:51 PM   #26 
   Ambinder blogged this earlier  WesDem   Aug-31-07 07:59 PM   #28 
   He's on the Rules & Bylaws Committee too  MaineDem   Aug-31-07 08:19 PM   #30 
      In fact I read a statement by him earlier...that MI would stand firm  madfloridian   Aug-31-07 08:35 PM   #31 
   Just saw a poll with Hillary way ahead there, Florida also.  madfloridian   Aug-31-07 07:54 PM   #27 
   I believe two major things about this push up and I think Dean knows why they are doing this.  illinoisprogressive   Aug-31-07 08:13 PM   #29 
   Levin was on the committee that created the rules.  madfloridian   Aug-31-07 08:46 PM   #32 
   More on the Michigan dust-up.....  madfloridian   Aug-31-07 08:56 PM   #33 
   It looks like Granholm and the UAW are on the same side, though  WesDem   Aug-31-07 09:03 PM   #35 
      Did the UAW endorse since the 22?  madfloridian   Aug-31-07 09:14 PM   #36 
         It's all confusing me, too  WesDem   Aug-31-07 10:18 PM   #38 
   Committee that set the rules formed by a deal between Levin, MI, and McAuliffe  madfloridian   Aug-31-07 09:32 PM   #37 
   Rep. Dan Gelber admits to Dean in a letter that they did not "fight" the GOP  madfloridian   Sep-02-07 04:56 PM   #39 
 

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