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52. You have to see it from the perspective of others ...
who may be equally sick and tired of endless hero-worshipping posts in defense of a candidate whose appeal they don't understand: little experience in pubic service, gap between what he says and what he's done, etc.

As someone says above: this is the primary ... people are going to defend their own candidates and denigrate the others. But you have to realize that people's objections to a candidate are not "slamming"--that would imply they are not sincere in their criticisms and are simply making shit up. Accept that there are differences of opinion on all the candidates. Some people like Hillary, some can't abide her; some think Obama is the next great promise; some think he's an empty suit; some think Edwards is the second-coming, others think he's a phony.

Accept all this ... but eventually we will have to come together around the eventual winner. Maybe we all need to do an exercise in advance of this:

List three things you like about a candidate, and three things you don't like. This includes the candidate you currently support. File away that list of pros and cons, and when the eventual nominee is chosen, take the list of pros and cons back out and read the three positive things you came up with about that person. Then go sign up to work the campaign.

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  -I am sick and tired of being sick and tired of people slamming Edwards and have no idea what they Ninga  Aug-30-07 09:18 AM   #0 
  - Edwards has my vote in the primary at this time.  yardwork   Aug-30-07 09:23 AM   #1 
  - How right you are, Ninja.  JDPriestly   Aug-30-07 09:23 AM   #2 
  - I think Elizabeth is a very brave woman for what she is doing....  DaveTheWave   Aug-30-07 09:25 AM   #3 
  - And let's now forget the courage Edwards is displaying. Courage to say his war vote was  Ninga   Aug-30-07 09:27 AM   #4 
  - I think Edwards' change of heart is political expediency.  AtomicKitten   Aug-30-07 09:46 AM   #13 
  - Perhaps you are right. But if Edwards is able to rise above all of this and win, it  Ninga   Aug-30-07 09:56 AM   #26 
     - And what big decision did YOU MAKE in 2002, that you wouldn't make today?  Ninga   Aug-30-07 09:59 AM   #27 
        - My points are valid.  AtomicKitten   Aug-30-07 10:02 AM   #28 
        - Yep. This whole Iraq war thing is really tiring  BeyondGeography   Aug-30-07 10:50 AM   #55 
        - Many of the things you seem to thing are swiftboating are not even close to that  karynnj   Aug-30-07 11:04 AM   #59 
        - I wouldn't have changed a thing.  Clark2008   Aug-30-07 11:18 AM   #62 
        - Patreus is a 4 star general. nt  2rth2pwr   Aug-30-07 02:04 PM   #97 
        - I like Edwards a lot, but I cannot vote for anyone in primary  Rainbowreflect   Aug-30-07 11:44 AM   #69 
  - "sticks their finger in the wind"  WesDem   Aug-30-07 09:49 AM   #18 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-30-07 10:03 AM   #31 
        - YOU stop attacking Democrats!!!!!!!!  WesDem   Aug-30-07 10:08 AM   #34 
        - WesDem was NOT attacking... pointing out the truth is more accurate.  Clark2008   Aug-30-07 11:20 AM   #63 
        - You're not making an honest approach in trying making a point,  seasonedblue   Aug-30-07 12:09 PM   #73 
  - well, good luck. You're gonna get some flames your way!  CTyankee   Aug-30-07 09:30 AM   #5 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-30-07 09:32 AM   #6 
  - ok, so now I'm confused  ccpup   Aug-30-07 09:42 AM   #11 
  - LOL  IA_Seth   Aug-30-07 09:51 AM   #20 
  - Uh, did I miss something here?  CTyankee   Aug-30-07 09:49 AM   #17 
  - Are we so few....those of us who understand the divison in our own party?  Ninga   Aug-30-07 09:47 AM   #15 
  - Edwards was the original choice of the DLC in 2004.  Vash the Stampede   Aug-30-07 09:35 AM   #7 
  - If that was the case, he obviously wasn't DLC enough, and sure is not now.  Ninga   Aug-30-07 09:54 AM   #22 
     - I don't think you know nearly enough about either Edwards OR the DLC. (nt)  Vash the Stampede   Aug-30-07 09:55 AM   #24 
     - By what measure?  karynnj   Aug-30-07 11:12 AM   #60 
  - That's a lie that Kerry was involved in the ads you are referring to  zulchzulu   Aug-30-07 09:37 AM   #8 
  - This is the second thread  WesDem   Aug-30-07 09:46 AM   #14 
  - Kerry directly benefited from those ads. And further more, they were produced by  Ninga   Aug-30-07 09:52 AM   #21 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-30-07 09:55 AM   #23 
     - Ok what is the lie? That Dem's produced a despicable ad, or that Kerry benefited?  Ninga   Aug-30-07 10:02 AM   #29 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-30-07 10:05 AM   #33 
           - I will restate my case. Kerry although not directly involved, benefited. Dean was  Ninga   Aug-30-07 10:18 AM   #39 
              - So - you blame Kerry on the basis that  karynnj   Aug-30-07 11:24 AM   #65 
              - If Kerry benefited, by your logic, so did Edwards  zulchzulu   Aug-30-07 11:57 AM   #71 
                 - I think the technical term for your response would be...  DuStrange   Aug-30-07 12:40 PM   #80 
  - You know how it works  sampsonblk   Aug-30-07 11:41 AM   #68 
     - Did Edwards complain? Because we have an Edwards supporter attacking Kerry on  Mass   Aug-30-07 12:12 PM   #75 
        - ROFL  seasonedblue   Aug-30-07 12:17 PM   #77 
        - Good point  sampsonblk   Aug-30-07 12:37 PM   #79 
  - The Osama ad was the most horrible  WesDem   Aug-30-07 09:37 AM   #9 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-30-07 10:05 AM   #32 
  - Why are you hiding your profile?  WesDem   Aug-30-07 10:13 AM   #36 
  - On the night of the election, Edwards said "we will fight" Kerry came out and said  Ninga   Aug-30-07 10:21 AM   #40 
     - Not true  karynnj   Aug-30-07 11:39 AM   #67 
  - Go away?  seasonedblue   Aug-30-07 12:11 PM   #74 
  - As part of the Kerry-Edwards team  last_texas_dem   Aug-30-07 10:09 AM   #35 
  - The K-E campaign begged him  WesDem   Aug-30-07 10:15 AM   #37 
     - Link? nt  last_texas_dem   Aug-30-07 10:18 AM   #38 
        - Link  WesDem   Aug-30-07 10:24 AM   #41 
           - Oh, your link tells a more balanced story. Not quite the case you would like to make.  Ninga   Aug-30-07 10:30 AM   #44 
           - LOL...."sources say" huh?  Catchawave   Aug-30-07 10:39 AM   #49 
           - It seems as if there could be truth on both sides  last_texas_dem   Aug-30-07 10:41 AM   #50 
              - I think we all know what happened the night of the election when Edwards said  Ninga   Aug-30-07 11:00 AM   #57 
              - That is not even the right timeline  karynnj   Aug-30-07 01:32 PM   #90 
              - This is what bugs me about the MSM, in this case :  Catchawave   Aug-30-07 11:03 AM   #58 
              - An easier question  karynnj   Aug-30-07 11:53 AM   #70 
  - Can you please remind us of that negative campaigning?  Inspired   Aug-31-07 05:28 AM   #120 
  - Recommended!  NoFederales   Aug-30-07 09:39 AM   #10 
  - Edwards is looking better all the time.  anniebelle   Aug-30-07 09:46 AM   #12 
  - I'm in Tennessee, too, and if y'all give me Edwards, I'll vote  Clark2008   Aug-30-07 11:27 AM   #66 
  - Edwards is my guy.  byronius   Aug-30-07 09:48 AM   #16 
  - Ditto.  BrklynLib at work   Aug-30-07 09:51 AM   #19 
  - I was confused with Edward's declaration that we should rid ourselves  monmouth   Aug-30-07 09:56 AM   #25 
  - I'm In For Edwards... And I For One Am Almost To The Point That I  ChiciB1   Aug-30-07 10:03 AM   #30 
  - Great to see the Hillary bashers are getting an opportunity to catch a breath  BOSSHOG   Aug-30-07 10:27 AM   #42 
  - Whoa, fellow Edwards supporter here. Kerry did NOT run those ads.  Kerry2008   Aug-30-07 10:30 AM   #43 
  - Please read my post #39. and you will see why Kerry directly benefited not "probably" benefited.  Ninga   Aug-30-07 10:33 AM   #46 
     - That's not what you said in the OP. You said Kerry was responsible.  Kerry2008   Aug-30-07 10:35 AM   #47 
     - Yes, you are correct, I was wrong in writing what i did. I am so passionate about  Ninga   Aug-30-07 10:39 AM   #48 
        - It's fine. And I'd appreciate it if you edit your OP.  Kerry2008   Aug-30-07 10:42 AM   #51 
        - Even your 39 post - still implies Kerry was involved  karynnj   Aug-30-07 12:53 PM   #83 
     - Edwards personally benefited form Bush's tax cuts  karynnj   Aug-30-07 12:45 PM   #81 
  - It's the primary,  seasonedblue   Aug-30-07 10:32 AM   #45 
  - You have to see it from the perspective of others ...  frazzled   Aug-30-07 10:42 AM   #52 
  - self delete  Ninga   Aug-30-07 10:45 AM   #53 
  - Great job - smear Kerry to defend Edwards  karynnj   Aug-30-07 10:49 AM   #54 
  - It is not quite as "clean" as you would like to believe. Toricelli was not the main contributior.  Ninga   Aug-30-07 10:56 AM   #56 
  - This refutes NOTHING I said  karynnj   Aug-30-07 12:05 PM   #72 
  - Gibbs quit the campaign because Jordan was fired, as did Chris Lehanne.  Mass   Aug-30-07 12:17 PM   #76 
     - Thanks Mass  karynnj   Aug-30-07 12:30 PM   #78 
        - Have you seen this one, karynnj?  WesDem   Aug-30-07 12:58 PM   #84 
           - The link doesn't work for me WD.  seasonedblue   Aug-30-07 01:01 PM   #85 
           - Part of it chopped off  WesDem   Aug-30-07 01:09 PM   #88 
           - No - the link doesn't seem to work.  karynnj   Aug-30-07 01:05 PM   #86 
              - Sorry - fixed now nt  WesDem   Aug-30-07 01:08 PM   #87 
  - My post was meant to point out that there are plenty of Democrats who engage  Ninga   Aug-30-07 01:51 PM   #91 
     - So why slam a decorated war hero just to boost your candidate?  politicasista   Aug-30-07 01:58 PM   #94 
        - I didn't slam Kerry to boost Edwards. I am sorry I even mentioned his name! My whole point  Ninga   Aug-30-07 02:04 PM   #99 
           - You called him a wimp  politicasista   Aug-30-07 02:11 PM   #100 
              - His 2004 bid for the White House was a wimpish campaign. Too intellectual too smart but  Ninga   Aug-30-07 02:26 PM   #106 
                 - You really can't stop digging - I think you've made it all the way to China  karynnj   Aug-30-07 04:10 PM   #110 
                 - John Kerry not smarter than Bush  WesDem   Aug-30-07 05:31 PM   #115 
                    - I stand by my words, Kerry did not run a smarter campagin than Bush. Did he? But you won't  Ninga   Aug-30-07 06:46 PM   #117 
                       - You're giving Bush and the media too much credit  politicasista   Aug-30-07 06:57 PM   #118 
                          - I wrote 2 things about Kerry, one of which I was wrong about and apologized, and  Ninga   Aug-30-07 09:02 PM   #119 
  - Can we slam him on his inconsistancies and voting record and  Clark2008   Aug-30-07 11:15 AM   #61 
  - All of the top tier candidates get slammed with stupid stuff.  Connie_Corleone   Aug-30-07 11:23 AM   #64 
  - I have NO problem with Edwards  Lirwin2   Aug-30-07 12:50 PM   #82 
  - Calling a war hero a wimp just to boost your candidate  politicasista   Aug-30-07 01:30 PM   #89 
  - Are you happy with the way his presidental campaign was run? Shade and color  Ninga   Aug-30-07 01:58 PM   #93 
     - And his party nor DNC Chariman DIDN'T back him up  politicasista   Aug-30-07 02:15 PM   #102 
     - Kerry was the master of his own destiny, strong leaders are. If you know Kerry wasn't supported  Ninga   Aug-30-07 02:24 PM   #104 
        - We coulds blame ELECTION LAW for the money  karynnj   Aug-30-07 04:21 PM   #111 
     - I suggest you compare the PRIMARY attacks on Bush  karynnj   Aug-30-07 04:25 PM   #113 
  - I slam Edwards because I don't believe/trust him.  Milo_Bloom   Aug-30-07 01:53 PM   #92 
  - John Kerry and his campaign did not run any or those anti-Dean ads  Freddie Stubbs   Aug-30-07 01:58 PM   #95 
  - But Democrats DID RUN them, and that's the point. Kerry still lost. period.  Ninga   Aug-30-07 02:01 PM   #96 
     - delete wrong spot n/t  politicasista   Aug-30-07 02:13 PM   #101 
     - And Dean would have lost by an even larger margin  Freddie Stubbs   Aug-30-07 02:26 PM   #105 
  - I wouldn't buy a used car from him.  Throd   Aug-30-07 02:04 PM   #98 
  - His bio doesn't say he sells used cars, but it does talk about a foundation thatq  Ninga   Aug-30-07 02:19 PM   #103 
     - That is nice, I still don't trust him.  Throd   Aug-30-07 06:27 PM   #116 
  - I slam Edwards because he represents all that is bad with the Democratic Party--  AnotherGreenWorld   Aug-30-07 02:31 PM   #107 
  - " has lived a hard life and worked hard to get where he is"  frazzled   Aug-30-07 02:52 PM   #108 
  - Boy, am I missing a lot these days.  windy252   Aug-30-07 04:07 PM   #109 
  - It was pretty feeble  karynnj   Aug-30-07 04:30 PM   #114 
  - I haven't seen to many of these attacks  DFW   Aug-30-07 04:24 PM   #112 
 

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