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Milo_Bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 03:47 PM
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47. This is some powerful hypocrisy from him.
While in the Senate he voted for... the bankrupcy bill, sending nuclear waste to Yucca Mountain, bush's energy policy which included subsidies to gas and oil and he voted to reduce liability on nuclear power plans in case of accident.

http://www.mentata.com/ds/retrieve/congress/person/John...


Many of the "problems" can actually be solved really easily if they simple distinguish between secured and non-secured home loans and define criteria of "predetory loans" as unsecured, so companies can still offer them, but with the caveat that they don't get to "foreclose" to get paid. They may be able to attach a home, but not force the people out if they signed them to a predatory loan.

What sickeningly funny is that this "crisis" (which anyone with half a brain saw coming 7 years ago), is currently hurting the mortgage industry as much as the consumers and if anyone was intelligent they would pitch a bailout as saving the mortgage industry, instead of trying to sell it as "saving consumers", because in the end, the GOP and their ilk are not going to go for "saving someone who got in over their head", but they will work to save "employers", so by offering to subsidize some of these loans, they can save the "industry" and allow people to keep their homes at the same time.

Its works this way.

Idiot Lender offered Idiot Consumer 5 year interest only $300,000 1st and a $60,000 2nd on their $360,000 house (which was overvalued to begin with). The Idiot Consumer paid $60,000 in interest for 5 years and during that time the "bubble burst" and the house is now only worth 275,000 and the Idiot Consumer never thought the payments were REALLY going to go up and listened to the Idiot Lender, who also believe that the value of homes was going to keep increasing forever. The Idiot Lenders don't want the house back, because they spent $360,000 on it, got $60,000 back and now will only get an asset worth $275,000... a 25K loss over 5 years ain't good. This is why mortgage companies are going under nearly everyday and the entire industry is crunching, as major lenders are shutting down all their second mortgage and equity programs (Ditech now only offers 80% value on stated income) and Citibank shut down their entire stated income program.

The reality is that MOST people just don't care about someone else getting themselves into financial trouble. They think, "well, they got themselves into it..." HOWEVER, if you explain to them that THEIR ability to borrow in the future will suffer, THEN they want action.

So we can save people's homes, but frame it as a bailout of the mortgage industry.

I suspect Edwards knows this, but he wants to be the "liberal warrior" and "anti-corporate" so rather than actually propose a possible solution, he just want to blather on with to those who just want to dine on red meat, with no real substance to it.
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  -Edwards proposes "National home rescue fund"; help Americans about to lose homes on predatory loans Bluebear  Aug-27-07 08:53 PM   #0 
  - I agree. This predatory business is not good, and it shouldn't have happened.....  FrenchieCat   Aug-27-07 08:59 PM   #1 
  - Can anything be about policy on this board, or are you just on an anti-Edwards kick?  Bluebear   Aug-27-07 09:01 PM   #2 
  - Your second guess is the correct one, IMO.  Old Crusoe   Aug-27-07 09:05 PM   #4 
  - Thank you OC!  Bluebear   Aug-27-07 09:06 PM   #5 
     - SHINE is going to light our path this fall. I can feel it in my blood & bones.  Old Crusoe   Aug-27-07 09:08 PM   #8 
  - No kidding....  waiting for hope   Aug-27-07 09:07 PM   #6 
  - So it is ok for you to insult me and make it personal?  FrenchieCat   Aug-27-07 09:24 PM   #15 
  - I believe that my post was relevant. to the OP.  FrenchieCat   Aug-27-07 09:16 PM   #12 
  - Not everything is about campaigns. This issue is about PEOPLE.  Bluebear   Aug-27-07 09:23 PM   #14 
     - So Even if Edwards is the one that proposes a process .........  FrenchieCat   Aug-27-07 09:27 PM   #17 
        - My but you're excitable!  Bluebear   Aug-27-07 09:28 PM   #18 
           - Thanks!  FrenchieCat   Aug-27-07 09:29 PM   #19 
              - No, it's the manic "Ah I see how it is! I see! So this is how it works around here!"  Bluebear   Aug-27-07 09:33 PM   #20 
                 - Well then, I'll just stick to the issue, and allow you to continue to judge me!  FrenchieCat   Aug-27-07 09:36 PM   #22 
                    - Mm-hmm. "K."  Bluebear   Aug-27-07 09:38 PM   #23 
                       - YES  Skittles   Aug-29-07 10:48 PM   #64 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-28-07 03:58 PM   #49 
  - do you have any institutional investments?  madrchsod   Aug-27-07 09:54 PM   #25 
     - I am a self employed accountant.......I know exactly what I am invested in......  FrenchieCat   Aug-27-07 10:23 PM   #26 
        - my savings and loan officers saw this coming also..  madrchsod   Aug-27-07 11:06 PM   #27 
        - You are an accountant and you didn't know how much the child care credit was?  1932   Aug-27-07 11:39 PM   #29 
        - Sorry, but you were wrong then, and you are wrong now about  FrenchieCat   Aug-28-07 12:15 PM   #38 
           - You need to read Form 2441  1932   Aug-28-07 10:52 PM   #58 
              - I hope you are not preparing taxes or giving advise........cause it won't work out well  FrenchieCat   Aug-29-07 11:14 PM   #65 
                 - Frenchie, anyone who can reduce their taxable income by $6000 is doing pretty well  1932   Aug-29-07 11:43 PM   #66 
                 - By, the way, more about Dependent Care Benefits (are you familiar with form 2441?)  1932   Aug-30-07 08:28 AM   #67 
                    - This is the bottomline.......aka, the facts:  FrenchieCat   Aug-30-07 11:04 AM   #69 
                       - Never heard of SHPS?  1932   Aug-30-07 10:47 PM   #71 
        - I see -- the problem is that you have a smaller financial *ball* to play with  Donnachaidh   Aug-28-07 08:45 AM   #33 
  - That damn John Edwards.  Old Crusoe   Aug-27-07 09:04 PM   #3 
  - Bravo! nt  Bluebear   Aug-27-07 09:07 PM   #7 
  - You've got that right -  waiting for hope   Aug-27-07 09:08 PM   #9 
     - waiting for hope, you always come up with that bumpersticker there  Old Crusoe   Aug-27-07 09:10 PM   #10 
        - Just copy and paste this:  waiting for hope   Aug-27-07 09:20 PM   #13 
           - Well, hell -- I'm way behind as usual. THANK you for those links  Old Crusoe   Aug-27-07 09:26 PM   #16 
           - dumb question but how do you copy the Edwards logo to appear on your email?  CTyankee   Aug-28-07 01:10 PM   #41 
              - Just copy the picture and paste -  waiting for hope   Aug-28-07 02:47 PM   #42 
                 - 2nd dumb question. Does the picture just appear on subsequent emails?  CTyankee   Aug-28-07 02:54 PM   #43 
                    - It depends on what email  waiting for hope   Aug-28-07 03:16 PM   #44 
                       - Great, thank you! I have AOL and I'll try it. I know how to do it on Yahoo so maybe it's as easy on  CTyankee   Aug-28-07 03:25 PM   #45 
                          - So far we haven't  waiting for hope   Aug-28-07 03:29 PM   #46 
                             - Yep, Ned is great. So is his wife Annie.  CTyankee   Aug-28-07 03:55 PM   #48 
  - good on Edwards  AtomicKitten   Aug-27-07 09:10 PM   #11 
  - Right now Edwards will get my vote in the primary.  Lint Head   Aug-27-07 09:35 PM   #21 
  - john just sealed his fate.....  madrchsod   Aug-27-07 09:49 PM   #24 
  - Excuse me... but how does any of this help people under the credit crunch? {nt}  Aya Reiko   Aug-27-07 11:24 PM   #28 
  - Is he an "attention whore", as you frist labelled Ms. Sheehan? nt  Bluebear   Aug-28-07 12:42 AM   #30 
  - How unusual is THIS for a candidate?  Mythsaje   Aug-28-07 04:01 AM   #31 
  - I have no sypmathy for people who signed predatory loans  Cronus Protagonist   Aug-28-07 05:10 AM   #32 
  - Especially since many of these borrowers weren't buying a home to live in,  MadHound   Aug-28-07 09:41 AM   #34 
  - Exactly  Cronus Protagonist   Aug-28-07 04:13 PM   #50 
  - You are assuming it's greed.  Bluebear   Aug-28-07 10:25 AM   #35 
     - Actually an interest only loan can be an OK thing in certain circumstances.  CTyankee   Aug-28-07 12:35 PM   #39 
     - Congratulations  Cronus Protagonist   Aug-28-07 04:15 PM   #52 
        - Well, it took time. You may be too!  CTyankee   Aug-28-07 06:41 PM   #53 
           - This is a total tangent, but  AZBlue   Aug-28-07 07:37 PM   #56 
              - With me it was the credit card interest payments I was making.  CTyankee   Aug-29-07 08:01 AM   #62 
     - Oh, I see, it could have been stupidity  Cronus Protagonist   Aug-28-07 04:14 PM   #51 
  - a contrarian view....  mike_c   Aug-28-07 10:46 AM   #36 
  - I agree completely n/t  MUSTANG_2004   Aug-30-07 07:18 PM   #70 
  - The more I see...  dajoki   Aug-28-07 12:13 PM   #37 
  - Same here. I really don't know what the fuss is about. He said he'd personally assist Katrina victim  CTyankee   Aug-28-07 12:42 PM   #40 
  - This is some powerful hypocrisy from him.  Milo_Bloom   Aug-28-07 03:47 PM   #47 
  - Thanks for the counter-point Milo  seasonedblue   Aug-28-07 06:51 PM   #54 
  - best explanation I've come across  AtomicKitten   Aug-28-07 06:58 PM   #55 
  - Thanks, I've been trying to make sense of it  WesDem   Aug-28-07 07:44 PM   #57 
  - I'm not financial genius.  AZBlue   Aug-28-07 10:54 PM   #59 
     - Yes, but...  Milo_Bloom   Aug-29-07 12:19 AM   #60 
        - Thank you!  AZBlue   Aug-29-07 09:37 PM   #63 
  - I disagree strongly. People need to learn to be responsible for themselves.  calteacherguy   Aug-29-07 12:26 AM   #61 
     - How's that?:  1932   Aug-30-07 08:43 AM   #68 
        - I believe the unfairness he's referring to is this...  MUSTANG_2004   Aug-31-07 06:57 PM   #72 
 

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