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111. Do they not see it because they don't want to? n/t
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  -Why the time is NOW to take a stand against the DLC Totally Committed  Aug-27-07 11:43 AM   #0 
  - So Obama, Wall Street's favorite Democrat, can commandeer their "unity" position?  wyldwolf   Aug-27-07 11:45 AM   #1 
  - He is making a huge mistake in doing so.  Totally Committed   Aug-27-07 11:48 AM   #2 
     - So, shouldn't you be taking a stand against Obama? He's out DLCing the DLC  wyldwolf   Aug-27-07 11:59 AM   #16 
        - I'm not in the Obama camp, and have said it's increasingly unlikely that I ever will be.  Totally Committed   Aug-27-07 12:08 PM   #24 
           - I understand, but where are your lofty anti-Obama posts? He's out DLCing the DLC.. certainly he ...  wyldwolf   Aug-27-07 12:16 PM   #29 
              - He's not "out-DLC-ing" the DLC, but he's too moderate for sure.  Totally Committed   Aug-27-07 12:18 PM   #31 
              - Jeez, ww is rallying support to trash Obama.  AtomicKitten   Aug-27-07 12:23 PM   #33 
              - ...  Totally Committed   Aug-27-07 12:26 PM   #35 
              - *  AtomicKitten   Aug-27-07 12:28 PM   #38 
              - Great Advice  Moochy   Aug-28-07 10:10 AM   #122 
              - Why can't they extoll the benefits of the DLC-I wonder?  mod mom   Aug-27-07 12:42 PM   #53 
                 - There are BENEFITS of the DLC????  Totally Committed   Aug-27-07 12:44 PM   #54 
                    - Unless you support the corporate agenda that is destroying this nation.  mod mom   Aug-27-07 12:57 PM   #60 
                       - I hear THAT!  Totally Committed   Aug-27-07 01:00 PM   #63 
              - So the DLC is the root cause of Obama's campaign?  wyldwolf   Aug-27-07 12:29 PM   #41 
                 - Nah.... his having to compete with the Queen of the DLC for all the oxygen in the room is...  Totally Committed   Aug-27-07 12:30 PM   #42 
                    - so, being the competitor he is, he's out DLCing her.. right?  wyldwolf   Aug-27-07 12:39 PM   #49 
                       - See post # 48.  Totally Committed   Aug-27-07 12:40 PM   #51 
                          - I did. I have two for you  wyldwolf   Aug-27-07 12:59 PM   #61 
              - Excellent article about Obama and the DLC...  Totally Committed   Aug-27-07 12:38 PM   #48 
              - I've read it many times... It is excellent if you suspend your disbelief for a moment or two.  wyldwolf   Aug-27-07 12:39 PM   #50 
                 - Well, it was worth a try.  Totally Committed   Aug-27-07 12:41 PM   #52 
                 - Says the man who fibs every time he claims he never supported Joe Lieberman (I) LOL!!  Dr Fate   Aug-29-07 06:30 PM   #162 
              - Uhm  kenfrequed   Aug-28-07 11:43 AM   #134 
  - This shit again? Crying about the DLC is like SO 5 years ago...  MethuenProgressive   Aug-27-07 11:48 AM   #3 
  - Then, I have a suggestion for you: Put me on ignore, because your hostility will not make me stop.  Totally Committed   Aug-27-07 11:51 AM   #9 
  - "hostility"? hahahahahahahaha gasp! hahahahahahaha!  MethuenProgressive   Aug-27-07 12:00 PM   #17 
  - Thank you. I knew I could count on you to be kind and understanding.  Totally Committed   Aug-27-07 12:02 PM   #21 
     - TC, you really feel anyone who doesn't agree with you is "hostile"?  MethuenProgressive   Aug-27-07 12:50 PM   #56 
  - i wonder who that is  sniffa   Aug-27-07 12:32 PM   #45 
  - Good job TC.  KaptBunnyPants   Aug-27-07 01:12 PM   #67 
  - What did she say that is so offensive?  YOY   Aug-27-07 11:52 AM   #12 
  - Don't worry... this happens every time I post one of these anti-DLC threads.  Totally Committed   Aug-27-07 12:10 PM   #26 
     - The name calling and lack of debate coming from many of the DLC crowd  YOY   Aug-27-07 12:14 PM   #28 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-28-07 10:18 AM   #128 
     - Name calling is a sign of being on the defensive.  JDPriestly   Aug-28-07 10:50 AM   #130 
     - But it is always the same people who do that  Zodiak Ironfist   Aug-27-07 12:24 PM   #34 
  - A perfect response. Thanks. eom  DURHAM D   Aug-27-07 11:53 AM   #13 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-28-07 10:13 AM   #125 
  - Many of us want to BRING THE ISSUES/POLICIES OF THE DLC TO LIGHT!  mod mom   Aug-27-07 12:26 PM   #36 
  - Hey, mod mom....have you read  femrap   Aug-28-07 09:31 AM   #115 
  - too bad the DLC isn't also "so 5 years ago" -- as long as they're around, they'll be deserving of  nashville_brook   Aug-27-07 12:31 PM   #43 
  - Please take being a student of political history more  xxqqqzme   Aug-27-07 01:00 PM   #62 
  - Five years ago? C'mon. Democrats are just waking up to the harm  higher class   Aug-27-07 01:03 PM   #65 
  - "The truth hurts....  Totally Committed   Aug-27-07 01:19 PM   #69 
  - You have hit the nail on the head,  Hersheygirl   Aug-28-07 06:48 AM   #86 
  - Correction - this is THE shit. It RRRRRAWWWWWXXXXXX!!!!!!!  Jim Sagle   Aug-27-07 11:17 PM   #84 
  - Unfortunately it's also so NEXT YEAR  Armstead   Aug-28-07 09:43 AM   #119 
  - Keep dreaming  Moochy   Aug-28-07 10:13 AM   #123 
  - well, it may be passe to those who are politically adept, but it is  bbgrunt   Aug-28-07 11:47 AM   #136 
  - Thank you!  Totally Committed   Aug-28-07 11:48 AM   #138 
  - LOL! BS!!! Tell that to Joe Lieberman (I), or Ned Lamont (D).  Dr Fate   Aug-29-07 06:07 PM   #159 
  - So what's your point???? Are you looking around?? Democracy is has been destroyed  rhett o rick   Aug-29-07 07:15 PM   #165 
  - And another thing. You have "progressive" in your name. The DLC isn't progressive. Hello!! nm  rhett o rick   Aug-29-07 07:17 PM   #166 
  - The DLC convention was skipped by all of the Presidential candidates.  onehandle   Aug-27-07 11:48 AM   #4 
  - Except  jgraz   Aug-27-07 11:51 AM   #11 
  - But, Pres. Clinton, Mr. HRC, himself, was there and he was talking her up , bigtime...  Totally Committed   Aug-27-07 11:58 AM   #15 
  - Not for those beating a dead donkey.  MethuenProgressive   Aug-27-07 12:01 PM   #19 
  - Your five year old meme does't wash.  Zodiak Ironfist   Aug-27-07 12:29 PM   #40 
     - No, no, no, and don't be silly.  MethuenProgressive   Aug-27-07 12:36 PM   #47 
        - A substanceless refutation  Zodiak Ironfist   Aug-28-07 11:44 AM   #135 
  - They aren't over  Zodiak Ironfist   Aug-27-07 12:26 PM   #37 
     - They need to be over, though, and that's why we need to persevere against them!  Totally Committed   Aug-27-07 12:34 PM   #46 
  - K&R -- how can we have a third party if we don't have a second?  jgraz   Aug-27-07 11:49 AM   #5 
  - Now, that's a damned good question! nt  rateyes   Aug-28-07 09:11 AM   #101 
  - Funny you should ask. The DLC supported & funded a Pro-Bush 3rd party- See Joe Lieberman (I)  Dr Fate   Aug-29-07 06:16 PM   #161 
  - DLC spins free trade:  mod mom   Aug-27-07 11:50 AM   #6 
  - if you notice, they always insist on "calm"--which means smug, insufferable, and patronizing  MisterP   Aug-27-07 12:06 PM   #23 
  - Wish I had a video recording of that. Do you know of one? N/T  AikidoSoul   Aug-29-07 01:46 PM   #156 
  - I think we need to draw a distinction between American run international...  MrMickeysMom   Aug-27-07 12:17 PM   #30 
  - I definitely think it's time to bid "adieu" to the DLC/Clinton '90s Democratic Party era ........  marmar   Aug-27-07 11:51 AM   #7 
  - 90's Nostalgia  RFKin2008   Aug-27-07 12:49 PM   #55 
     - Thanks, m'dear!  Totally Committed   Aug-27-07 12:54 PM   #59 
  - Rock On TC!  YOY   Aug-27-07 11:51 AM   #8 
  - DLC ties to PNAC (neocons):  mod mom   Aug-27-07 11:51 AM   #10 
  - Yeah, it'd be nice to have some change...  redqueen   Aug-27-07 11:56 AM   #14 
  - Me? -- Optimistic?  Totally Committed   Aug-27-07 12:01 PM   #18 
  - From Huff Po: "The Trouble with the DLC":  mod mom   Aug-27-07 12:02 PM   #20 
  - Yes! This is the same article that was posted at BuzzFlash!  Totally Committed   Aug-27-07 12:03 PM   #22 
     - Another GOODIE-David Sirota from BIG MONEY VS GRASSROOTS:  mod mom   Aug-27-07 12:09 PM   #25 
        - Sirota is THE MAN!  Totally Committed   Aug-27-07 12:11 PM   #27 
           - 1 more EXCELLENT Sirota piece: THE DEMS '08 CHOICE...  mod mom   Aug-27-07 12:20 PM   #32 
              - "And that's when we get to the real problem with the DLC -- its policies are BOTH morally bankrupt,  Totally Committed   Aug-27-07 12:29 PM   #39 
                 - a veritable two-fer  AtomicKitten   Aug-27-07 12:31 PM   #44 
                    - But, unlike this "two-fer" fersure!  Totally Committed   Aug-27-07 12:51 PM   #57 
                       - no worries - I get it.  AtomicKitten   Aug-27-07 12:54 PM   #58 
                          - what did the Clintons have to do with the  paulk   Aug-29-07 07:13 PM   #164 
  - This is kind of sad -  DURHAM D   Aug-27-07 01:01 PM   #64 
  - I REALLY hope you don't mean this "New War":  mod mom   Aug-27-07 01:10 PM   #66 
  - Why don't you ask a military person what  DURHAM D   Aug-27-07 01:32 PM   #71 
     - Assuming you are not literally meaning a new war but the "current challenges"  mod mom   Aug-27-07 01:42 PM   #73 
  - With all due respect, I disagree.  Totally Committed   Aug-27-07 01:16 PM   #68 
  - Well you won't be able to do that.  DURHAM D   Aug-27-07 01:35 PM   #72 
     - IT'S NOT A TUMOR!  Moochy   Aug-28-07 10:15 AM   #126 
  - it's red meat. Whenever a DLC candidate is thrashing "progressive" ones in polls, they play...  wyldwolf   Aug-27-07 01:19 PM   #70 
  - The GOP won't vote for ya so why try and alienate the folks who GOTV for Kerry/Edwards?  mod mom   Aug-27-07 06:36 PM   #76 
     - I'm sorry - you're under the impression GOTV efforts were invented in 2004  wyldwolf   Aug-27-07 07:14 PM   #77 
     - certainly not but it was brought to new heights w huge voter registration drives  mod mom   Aug-27-07 09:28 PM   #78 
        - maybe that was the first time you noticed it?  wyldwolf   Aug-27-07 10:03 PM   #81 
           - Where I live there weren't any precinct captains and were even missing ward people.  mod mom   Aug-27-07 10:16 PM   #82 
              - where I live, all through my county, and all adjacent counties the opposite was true  wyldwolf   Aug-27-07 10:19 PM   #83 
     - Gore won. nt  rateyes   Aug-28-07 09:12 AM   #103 
  - sorry, but it's not the "old war" just yet. n/t  ulysses   Aug-29-07 05:31 PM   #158 
  - kick  Totally Committed   Aug-27-07 01:59 PM   #74 
  - "I won't vote for anyone who supports the DLC, or whom the DLC supports"  Totally Committed   Aug-27-07 04:53 PM   #75 
  - Great thread, Totally Committed! n/t  antigop   Aug-27-07 09:44 PM   #79 
  - American Prospect: Ready to rumble  antigop   Aug-27-07 09:48 PM   #80 
     - Kucinich and his policies could move this whole Party back toward its Leftist soul, but...  Totally Committed   Aug-28-07 07:43 AM   #87 
        - You are preaching to the choir, TC. I have railed against the corporate hostile takeover.  antigop   Aug-28-07 07:49 AM   #88 
           - Preaching to the choir? Do you see how many people here see NOTHING WRONG with the DLC-status quo?  Totally Committed   Aug-28-07 07:53 AM   #89 
              - Melding the Clintons to the DLC, then insinuating the country is doomed because of them ...  Maribelle   Aug-28-07 08:11 AM   #92 
              - Um... the Clintons ARE the DLC, or at least its "soul parents"...  Totally Committed   Aug-28-07 08:18 AM   #93 
                 - I want the Democrats to win. I want them to win the White House. I want them to win 60 Senators.  Maribelle   Aug-28-07 08:49 AM   #98 
                    - And, my opinion is this: HRC as POTUS, with 60 Dem. Senators who vote strictly middle-of-the-road,  Totally Committed   Aug-28-07 08:58 AM   #100 
                       - who the heck thinks Clinton can bring 60 Dem Senators with her?  hfojvt   Aug-28-07 11:27 AM   #131 
                          - I think she meant 60 Dem Sens total in the Senate....  Totally Committed   Aug-28-07 11:50 AM   #139 
              - OK, I thought you were referring to me, personally. I agree -- many do not see it. n/t  antigop   Aug-28-07 09:14 AM   #104 
                 - Correct you are, my friend!  Totally Committed   Aug-28-07 09:19 AM   #108 
                    - Do they not see it because they don't want to? n/t  antigop   Aug-28-07 09:21 AM   #111 
  - I wondered why Murdoch cozied up to Hillary then....  vssmith   Aug-28-07 05:14 AM   #85 
  - The Telecommunications Act of 1996 (that President Clinton signed)...  Totally Committed   Aug-28-07 07:59 AM   #90 
     - Consolidation of major business is inevitable. It began long before Clinton.  Maribelle   Aug-28-07 08:24 AM   #95 
     - He enabled the consolidation that has led to many of our social and economic ills  Totally Committed   Aug-28-07 08:31 AM   #96 
        - I have NO opinion of the DLC/Clinton connection. I've merely crawled out of the woodwork.  Maribelle   Aug-28-07 08:54 AM   #99 
     - One other thing  vssmith   Aug-28-07 07:00 PM   #155 
  - I know positively, the problems with voters in Florida have nothing at all to do with the DLC.  Maribelle   Aug-28-07 08:05 AM   #91 
  - This thread has nothing to do with the Florida mutiny.  Totally Committed   Aug-28-07 08:22 AM   #94 
     - Well, that's not what I was trying to address.  Maribelle   Aug-28-07 08:41 AM   #97 
        - Why shouldn't they? If I had had it proved to me that MY VOTE could be stolen, massaged, and  Totally Committed   Aug-28-07 09:18 AM   #105 
        - Did you read the OP?  Holland   Aug-28-07 09:28 AM   #114 
           - Don't you think that the problem lies in the very name of the DLC,  Holland   Aug-28-07 09:34 AM   #117 
           - Thank you for trying to point out one of the major points of the OP, but  Totally Committed   Aug-28-07 09:40 AM   #118 
           - I think we just went around in a circle.  Maribelle   Aug-28-07 10:00 AM   #120 
  - No on DLC...........  BlueJac   Aug-28-07 09:11 AM   #102 
  - A great book: David Sirota's "Hostile Takeover". n/t  antigop   Aug-28-07 09:18 AM   #106 
  - I agree! I read it twice, and highly recommend it.  Totally Committed   Aug-28-07 09:20 AM   #109 
  - If Bush isn't impeached, I find no reason to even vote.  ejbr   Aug-28-07 09:18 AM   #107 
  - My point upthread about voter apathy and "staying home in droves" exactly.  Totally Committed   Aug-28-07 09:24 AM   #112 
     - Most definitely  ejbr   Aug-28-07 09:32 AM   #116 
  - Thanks, Totally Committed -- over 40 recommendations on this thread --  antigop   Aug-28-07 09:21 AM   #110 
  - Yes... with your help, mod mom's help, and all those who came here  Totally Committed   Aug-28-07 09:25 AM   #113 
  - Wow! I want to thank everyone whose Rec's have put this on the Home Page!  Totally Committed   Aug-28-07 10:03 AM   #121 
  - least SOME people are paying attention. n/t  antigop   Aug-28-07 10:13 AM   #124 
  - Seriously....  Totally Committed   Aug-28-07 10:16 AM   #127 
  - I hope this thread stays on the Home Page...  Just-plain-Kathy   Aug-28-07 11:56 AM   #140 
  - I agree. Are there any strategies in place or being developed  AikidoSoul   Aug-28-07 10:27 AM   #129 
  - thanks for posting this--very illuminating and crucial understanding  bbgrunt   Aug-28-07 11:38 AM   #132 
  - Thanks. I appreciate your help in bringing more awareness to this.  Gregorian   Aug-28-07 11:43 AM   #133 
  - David Sirota -- Debunking Centrism  antigop   Aug-28-07 11:47 AM   #137 
  - I have two questions  guruoo   Aug-28-07 11:57 AM   #141 
  - Thanks for your agreement.  Totally Committed   Aug-28-07 12:04 PM   #143 
     - I believe the primary differance in our thinking  guruoo   Aug-28-07 01:53 PM   #146 
        - You mean the way this mealy-mouthed bunch of DINO's in Congress just voted on FISA?  Totally Committed   Aug-28-07 01:58 PM   #147 
           - Nooooo, not happy at all with that, but  guruoo   Aug-28-07 02:37 PM   #149 
  - TC, I'm sure I'm not the only one who wanted to add to the "recommends" to your post...  Just-plain-Kathy   Aug-28-07 11:59 AM   #142 
  - Thanks so much, Just-plain-Kathy...  Totally Committed   Aug-28-07 12:05 PM   #144 
     - You didn't last long on the front page. What's up with that?  Just-plain-Kathy   Aug-28-07 04:48 PM   #152 
        - Frankly, given the subject-matter, I was stunned to see it there at all.  Totally Committed   Aug-28-07 04:50 PM   #154 
  - Latest from the Anti DLC Coalition:  Totally Committed   Aug-28-07 12:54 PM   #145 
  - Well. . .well. . .well. . .  Lena inRI   Aug-28-07 02:26 PM   #148 
  - Lena... first of all I'm so glad to "see" you!  Totally Committed   Aug-28-07 04:21 PM   #150 
  - This guy's not a tool of the DLC  ProudDad   Aug-28-07 04:41 PM   #151 
  - No, he sure isn't. And we are damned lucky to have him!  Totally Committed   Aug-28-07 04:49 PM   #153 
  - The "Neo-Liberals" are the UK equivalent of the DLC.  Totally Committed   Aug-29-07 05:27 PM   #157 
  - My favorite part was when they supported Joe Lieberman's 3rd Party.  Dr Fate   Aug-29-07 06:11 PM   #160 
     - I have to agree with you. The Lieberman over Lamont fiasco was the absolute end for me.  Totally Committed   Aug-29-07 07:01 PM   #163 

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