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Mon Aug-27-07 05:11 PM
Response to Reply #107 |
| 108. In your twisted opinion Sean! |
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By the way that is my new nickname for you, anyone who spins like Sean with no regard for truth or hypocracy becomes a Sean. Hi Sean!  |
| -Obama was thinking about voting for Roberts until told of political consequences of doing so |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Aug-27-07 09:32 AM |
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He sought good advise, he got it, and he took it.. |
hlthe2b |
Aug-27-07 09:43 AM |
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It was a scandalous thought |
silverlib |
Aug-27-07 09:46 AM |
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So politics overrules his judgement |
iconocrastic |
Aug-27-07 11:12 AM |
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He voted based on political reasons yet claims he has the best "judgment" |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Aug-27-07 09:49 AM |
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LOL! A half year old editorial housed on a conservative website... |
jefferson_dem |
Aug-27-07 10:16 AM |
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You obviously are having trouble dealing with the "New politics." |
Benhurst |
Aug-27-07 10:25 AM |
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whoops wrong thread-delete nt |
fed-up |
Aug-27-07 10:44 AM |
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Obama has always been far too moderate-conserative for my taste!! |
GreenTea |
Aug-27-07 09:45 AM |
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Gee if Hillary did that Obama supporters would be boucing up |
Bitwit1234 |
Aug-27-07 09:45 AM |
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Smart move by Obama. |
jefferson_dem |
Aug-27-07 09:53 AM |
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Judgment=voting based on political calculation? If he was told to vote for JR he would have! |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Aug-27-07 09:55 AM |
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Judgment = he did the right thing. |
jefferson_dem |
Aug-27-07 10:06 AM |
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He only did so for political reasons. That is political calculation, not "judgment" nt |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Aug-27-07 10:31 AM |
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The article did not say he did it ONLY for political reasons |
never cry wolf |
Aug-27-07 01:03 PM |
#61 |
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The fox and the scorpion. |
wyldwolf |
Aug-27-07 10:12 AM |
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Of course, John Edwards *did* vote for Roberts in 2003 |
WesDem |
Aug-27-07 10:16 AM |
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Oh, Man! Here are two Committee votes by Edwards in support of the Hon. Roberts. |
jefferson_dem |
Aug-27-07 10:20 AM |
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"he Senate confirmed Roberts to his seat on the D.C. Circuit by unanimous consent" |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Aug-27-07 10:30 AM |
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Obama voted NO on Roberts in his only opportunity to do so. Edwards twice voted YES on Roberts. |
jefferson_dem |
Aug-27-07 10:37 AM |
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As did 99 other senators. What changed from 2003 and 2005 on Roberts? |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Aug-27-07 10:39 AM |
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Proving yet again Edwards doesn't have the courage to lead. |
returnable |
Aug-27-07 11:22 AM |
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The same reason Feingold did not vote against Roberts |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Aug-27-07 11:24 AM |
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Oh, so if Feingold does it, it's OK? |
returnable |
Aug-27-07 11:33 AM |
#38 |
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You don't understand the difference between lower court appointments and SCOTUS appointments |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Aug-27-07 11:41 AM |
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I understand the diffference. And I also know spin when I see it. |
returnable |
Aug-27-07 11:48 AM |
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You don't understand the story is Obama cast his vote due to political reasons, not "judgment"? |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Aug-27-07 11:59 AM |
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So when "Edwards voted incorrectly in committee", was it for political reasons... |
returnable |
Aug-27-07 12:35 PM |
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Who knows but we know it wasn't for political reasons because no one cared about JR in 2003 |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Aug-27-07 12:52 PM |
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After looking all the way down this page, not interested in participating. |
robinlynne |
Aug-27-07 04:05 PM |
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I won't hold my breath waiting for you to mention how nominations for lower courts work |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Aug-27-07 10:28 AM |
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Obama is supposed to be the candidate of change yet |
Lirwin2 |
Aug-27-07 10:32 AM |
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Funny isn't it? They even do so when they have to conflate two very different votes |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Aug-27-07 10:37 AM |
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I don't have a candidate (I repeat) and you do |
WesDem |
Aug-27-07 10:39 AM |
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What percentage of lower court nominations are opposed? What % are confirmed? |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Aug-27-07 10:43 AM |
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I'm a "de facto Obama supporter"? |
WesDem |
Aug-27-07 10:53 AM |
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Have you ever criticized his dozens of votes for right-wing justices? |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Aug-27-07 11:00 AM |
#31 |
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Indeed I have criticized Obama on his judiciary votes |
WesDem |
Aug-27-07 11:05 AM |
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Don't do that! You'll make the OP's head explode.... |
zulchzulu |
Aug-27-07 10:32 AM |
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You evidently don't know how lower court appointments work |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Aug-27-07 10:34 AM |
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Explain this... |
zulchzulu |
Aug-27-07 10:41 AM |
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What was the final vote on him? Ask Obama, who has voted for dozens of right-wingers |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Aug-27-07 10:45 AM |
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Dude, you are exposed and OUT OF AMMO |
zulchzulu |
Aug-27-07 10:49 AM |
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Only among those ignorant on the subject |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Aug-27-07 10:52 AM |
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Explain your support for Edwards despite his vote for Roberts |
zulchzulu |
Aug-27-07 11:25 AM |
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The same reason you support Obama despite his votes for all of these right-wingers for lower courts |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Aug-27-07 11:30 AM |
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Point is, Edwards had two opportunities to vote against Roberts IN COMMITTEE and failed to do so |
returnable |
Aug-27-07 11:45 AM |
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Durbin, Kennedy, and Schumer all voted for him on the Senate floor |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Aug-27-07 11:55 AM |
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Do you have a link for that list? |
zulchzulu |
Aug-27-07 11:54 AM |
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They are all Bush appointees. Do you think Bush appointed liberals? |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Aug-27-07 12:00 PM |
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Edwards voted for these right wing judges.......when he showed up to the committee to vote..... |
FrenchieCat |
Aug-27-07 01:03 PM |
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Of course he did. Remember, he was a self-described "Centrist" and chummed |
jefferson_dem |
Aug-27-07 01:06 PM |
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Ideology has little do with with the 200+ year record on confirming lower court judges |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Aug-27-07 01:14 PM |
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As he should have. How many of those were confirmed unamiously? |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Aug-27-07 01:13 PM |
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Your response on Edwards that he confirmed them....."as he should have".........smells...... |
FrenchieCat |
Aug-27-07 01:21 PM |
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99.999% of lower court judges are confirmed unanimously |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Aug-27-07 01:23 PM |
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I don't really need to "provide" you with anything, considering that this is an "attack" OP, |
FrenchieCat |
Aug-27-07 01:50 PM |
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You apparently have no clue how lower court appointments work |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Aug-27-07 01:58 PM |
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You apparently have no clue as to how an "attack" op works....... |
FrenchieCat |
Aug-27-07 02:09 PM |
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I don't need to teach judicial appointments 101 |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Aug-27-07 02:11 PM |
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Why do you think BO voted for the egregious Priscilla Owen? |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Aug-27-07 05:06 PM |
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Here's the link he had in mind |
zulchzulu |
Aug-27-07 04:49 PM |
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The vote wasn't unanimous in committee... |
returnable |
Aug-27-07 01:56 PM |
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It was unanimous when it counted on the senate floor. Why? |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Aug-27-07 02:01 PM |
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The question to ask is why did SOME, but not John, vote against him in committee? |
returnable |
Aug-27-07 02:13 PM |
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Only Kennedy and Durbin voted against him the second time |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Aug-27-07 04:33 PM |
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So your beef about Obama's lower court votes and how they are usually... |
zulchzulu |
Aug-27-07 04:47 PM |
#102 |
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bwahahahahha |
Scriptor Ignotus |
Aug-27-07 01:31 PM |
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Not exactly. Only if you missed the real story in the OP and don't understand the Senate/courts |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Aug-27-07 01:33 PM |
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Isn't that an apples/oranges sort of thing |
LittleClarkie |
Aug-27-07 01:55 PM |
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They seem to think there will never be a Democratic president |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Aug-27-07 02:06 PM |
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Only DMC would slam Obama for NOT voting for Roberts --- |
AtomicKitten |
Aug-27-07 11:36 AM |
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I don't know AK, |
seasonedblue |
Aug-27-07 12:01 PM |
#48 |
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Read the thread for the answer |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Aug-27-07 12:04 PM |
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So you're saying that Edwards voted his conscience |
seasonedblue |
Aug-27-07 12:13 PM |
#51 |
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He voted for a lower ct. appointment for the same reasons senators have been doing so for 200+ years |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Aug-27-07 12:23 PM |
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So why then did Edwards vote YES on Roberts TWICE? |
jefferson_dem |
Aug-27-07 01:08 PM |
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Senate tradition. The same reason 90+ senators did and 0 voted against him |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Aug-27-07 01:16 PM |
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So you stand by your criticism of Obama for voting NO on Roberts while Edwards voted YES TWICE. |
jefferson_dem |
Aug-27-07 01:19 PM |
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I think my personal favorite was when he -- |
AtomicKitten |
Aug-27-07 12:07 PM |
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It's breathtaking ROFLMAO |
seasonedblue |
Aug-27-07 12:15 PM |
#52 |
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Or his persistent baseless smears against Obama for being DLC...only that he isn't... |
jefferson_dem |
Aug-27-07 01:10 PM |
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he's a sloppy provocateur -- |
AtomicKitten |
Aug-27-07 01:15 PM |
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Giving money to 72% of the Senate DLC is not a "smear". The DLC is part of the party nt |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Aug-27-07 01:17 PM |
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Edwards YES twice on Roberts. |
jefferson_dem |
Aug-27-07 01:01 PM |
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shit. How could he even consider voting for Roberts. We all knew what that |
robinlynne |
Aug-27-07 11:55 AM |
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Obama voted AGAINST Roberts. |
AtomicKitten |
Aug-27-07 12:15 PM |
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yes I do. And I understand that his inclination was to vote for him, but a poltical |
robinlynne |
Aug-27-07 12:47 PM |
#56 |
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fwiw |
AtomicKitten |
Aug-27-07 12:59 PM |
#58 |
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He licks his finger to see which way the wind is blowing. NT |
William769 |
Aug-27-07 01:01 PM |
#59 |
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Obama does his homework. |
AtomicKitten |
Aug-27-07 01:05 PM |
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He's a bot - needs people to tell him what to do. Think he'll hire Bob Shrum? |
wyldwolf |
Aug-27-07 01:16 PM |
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Lame. (nt) |
AtomicKitten |
Aug-27-07 01:18 PM |
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LOL! |
jefferson_dem |
Aug-27-07 01:20 PM |
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Projection? When have the Clintons ever enlisted Bob Shrum? |
wyldwolf |
Aug-27-07 01:24 PM |
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Wasn't Shrum Bill's speechwriter for years? |
WesDem |
Aug-27-07 04:39 PM |
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WW, can you tell us whether 99.99999% of Clinton appointees to lower courts sailed through... |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Aug-27-07 01:21 PM |
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I recall Al Franken repeatedly making the point the GOP held up Clinton appoitees. |
wyldwolf |
Aug-27-07 01:23 PM |
#81 |
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That is part of the story. Once a judge gets a vote he/she easily gets confirmed |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Aug-27-07 01:26 PM |
#84 |
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Bullshit. Obama exercised good judgment...and voted NO. |
jefferson_dem |
Aug-27-07 01:05 PM |
#63 |
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He exercised political calculation--exactly what he is marketed as being above |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Aug-27-07 01:19 PM |
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the opposite of good judgment is Hill's & Edwards' YES votes on the IWR |
AtomicKitten |
Aug-27-07 01:22 PM |
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They ALL exercise political calculation, to some degree. They are POLITICIANS! In the end, |
wienerdoggie |
Aug-27-07 02:05 PM |
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Exactly--but he is falsley marketed as being above this nt |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Aug-27-07 02:08 PM |
#94 |
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I have 2 simple questions for you |
Bodhi BloodWave |
Aug-27-07 04:16 PM |
#99 |
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He did vote NO, but some people live in a parallel universe...so... |
zulchzulu |
Aug-27-07 04:51 PM |
#105 |
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I don't get your reasoning. |
Lord Helmet |
Aug-27-07 04:50 PM |
#104 |
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Lay off the bong and then I'll explain it to you |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Aug-27-07 05:08 PM |
#107 |
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In your twisted opinion Sean! |
rufus dog |
Aug-27-07 05:11 PM |
#108 |
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