draft_mario_cuomo
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Mon Aug-27-07 11:24 AM
Response to Reply #34 |
| 35. The same reason Feingold did not vote against Roberts |
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Edited on Mon Aug-27-07 11:26 AM by draft_mario_cuomo
Senators want a functioning judicial system and there are traditions of the senate...do you realize what would happen if the senate majority and prez were of different parties and the senate kept voting down anyone nominated for lower court appointments by the prez because of ideological reasons?
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| -Obama was thinking about voting for Roberts until told of political consequences of doing so |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Aug-27-07 09:32 AM |
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He sought good advise, he got it, and he took it.. |
hlthe2b |
Aug-27-07 09:43 AM |
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It was a scandalous thought |
silverlib |
Aug-27-07 09:46 AM |
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So politics overrules his judgement |
iconocrastic |
Aug-27-07 11:12 AM |
#33 |
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He voted based on political reasons yet claims he has the best "judgment" |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Aug-27-07 09:49 AM |
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LOL! A half year old editorial housed on a conservative website... |
jefferson_dem |
Aug-27-07 10:16 AM |
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You obviously are having trouble dealing with the "New politics." |
Benhurst |
Aug-27-07 10:25 AM |
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whoops wrong thread-delete nt |
fed-up |
Aug-27-07 10:44 AM |
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Obama has always been far too moderate-conserative for my taste!! |
GreenTea |
Aug-27-07 09:45 AM |
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Gee if Hillary did that Obama supporters would be boucing up |
Bitwit1234 |
Aug-27-07 09:45 AM |
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Smart move by Obama. |
jefferson_dem |
Aug-27-07 09:53 AM |
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Judgment=voting based on political calculation? If he was told to vote for JR he would have! |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Aug-27-07 09:55 AM |
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Judgment = he did the right thing. |
jefferson_dem |
Aug-27-07 10:06 AM |
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He only did so for political reasons. That is political calculation, not "judgment" nt |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Aug-27-07 10:31 AM |
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The article did not say he did it ONLY for political reasons |
never cry wolf |
Aug-27-07 01:03 PM |
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The fox and the scorpion. |
wyldwolf |
Aug-27-07 10:12 AM |
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Of course, John Edwards *did* vote for Roberts in 2003 |
WesDem |
Aug-27-07 10:16 AM |
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Oh, Man! Here are two Committee votes by Edwards in support of the Hon. Roberts. |
jefferson_dem |
Aug-27-07 10:20 AM |
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"he Senate confirmed Roberts to his seat on the D.C. Circuit by unanimous consent" |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Aug-27-07 10:30 AM |
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Obama voted NO on Roberts in his only opportunity to do so. Edwards twice voted YES on Roberts. |
jefferson_dem |
Aug-27-07 10:37 AM |
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As did 99 other senators. What changed from 2003 and 2005 on Roberts? |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Aug-27-07 10:39 AM |
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Proving yet again Edwards doesn't have the courage to lead. |
returnable |
Aug-27-07 11:22 AM |
#34 |
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The same reason Feingold did not vote against Roberts |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Aug-27-07 11:24 AM |
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Oh, so if Feingold does it, it's OK? |
returnable |
Aug-27-07 11:33 AM |
#38 |
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You don't understand the difference between lower court appointments and SCOTUS appointments |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Aug-27-07 11:41 AM |
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I understand the diffference. And I also know spin when I see it. |
returnable |
Aug-27-07 11:48 AM |
#42 |
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You don't understand the story is Obama cast his vote due to political reasons, not "judgment"? |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Aug-27-07 11:59 AM |
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So when "Edwards voted incorrectly in committee", was it for political reasons... |
returnable |
Aug-27-07 12:35 PM |
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Who knows but we know it wasn't for political reasons because no one cared about JR in 2003 |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Aug-27-07 12:52 PM |
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After looking all the way down this page, not interested in participating. |
robinlynne |
Aug-27-07 04:05 PM |
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I won't hold my breath waiting for you to mention how nominations for lower courts work |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Aug-27-07 10:28 AM |
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Obama is supposed to be the candidate of change yet |
Lirwin2 |
Aug-27-07 10:32 AM |
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Funny isn't it? They even do so when they have to conflate two very different votes |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Aug-27-07 10:37 AM |
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I don't have a candidate (I repeat) and you do |
WesDem |
Aug-27-07 10:39 AM |
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What percentage of lower court nominations are opposed? What % are confirmed? |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Aug-27-07 10:43 AM |
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I'm a "de facto Obama supporter"? |
WesDem |
Aug-27-07 10:53 AM |
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Have you ever criticized his dozens of votes for right-wing justices? |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Aug-27-07 11:00 AM |
#31 |
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Indeed I have criticized Obama on his judiciary votes |
WesDem |
Aug-27-07 11:05 AM |
#32 |
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Don't do that! You'll make the OP's head explode.... |
zulchzulu |
Aug-27-07 10:32 AM |
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You evidently don't know how lower court appointments work |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Aug-27-07 10:34 AM |
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Explain this... |
zulchzulu |
Aug-27-07 10:41 AM |
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What was the final vote on him? Ask Obama, who has voted for dozens of right-wingers |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Aug-27-07 10:45 AM |
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Dude, you are exposed and OUT OF AMMO |
zulchzulu |
Aug-27-07 10:49 AM |
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Only among those ignorant on the subject |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Aug-27-07 10:52 AM |
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Explain your support for Edwards despite his vote for Roberts |
zulchzulu |
Aug-27-07 11:25 AM |
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The same reason you support Obama despite his votes for all of these right-wingers for lower courts |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Aug-27-07 11:30 AM |
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Point is, Edwards had two opportunities to vote against Roberts IN COMMITTEE and failed to do so |
returnable |
Aug-27-07 11:45 AM |
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Durbin, Kennedy, and Schumer all voted for him on the Senate floor |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Aug-27-07 11:55 AM |
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Do you have a link for that list? |
zulchzulu |
Aug-27-07 11:54 AM |
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They are all Bush appointees. Do you think Bush appointed liberals? |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Aug-27-07 12:00 PM |
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Edwards voted for these right wing judges.......when he showed up to the committee to vote..... |
FrenchieCat |
Aug-27-07 01:03 PM |
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Of course he did. Remember, he was a self-described "Centrist" and chummed |
jefferson_dem |
Aug-27-07 01:06 PM |
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Ideology has little do with with the 200+ year record on confirming lower court judges |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Aug-27-07 01:14 PM |
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As he should have. How many of those were confirmed unamiously? |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Aug-27-07 01:13 PM |
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Your response on Edwards that he confirmed them....."as he should have".........smells...... |
FrenchieCat |
Aug-27-07 01:21 PM |
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99.999% of lower court judges are confirmed unanimously |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Aug-27-07 01:23 PM |
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I don't really need to "provide" you with anything, considering that this is an "attack" OP, |
FrenchieCat |
Aug-27-07 01:50 PM |
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You apparently have no clue how lower court appointments work |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Aug-27-07 01:58 PM |
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You apparently have no clue as to how an "attack" op works....... |
FrenchieCat |
Aug-27-07 02:09 PM |
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I don't need to teach judicial appointments 101 |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Aug-27-07 02:11 PM |
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Why do you think BO voted for the egregious Priscilla Owen? |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Aug-27-07 05:06 PM |
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Here's the link he had in mind |
zulchzulu |
Aug-27-07 04:49 PM |
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The vote wasn't unanimous in committee... |
returnable |
Aug-27-07 01:56 PM |
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It was unanimous when it counted on the senate floor. Why? |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Aug-27-07 02:01 PM |
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The question to ask is why did SOME, but not John, vote against him in committee? |
returnable |
Aug-27-07 02:13 PM |
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Only Kennedy and Durbin voted against him the second time |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Aug-27-07 04:33 PM |
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So your beef about Obama's lower court votes and how they are usually... |
zulchzulu |
Aug-27-07 04:47 PM |
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bwahahahahha |
Scriptor Ignotus |
Aug-27-07 01:31 PM |
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Not exactly. Only if you missed the real story in the OP and don't understand the Senate/courts |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Aug-27-07 01:33 PM |
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Isn't that an apples/oranges sort of thing |
LittleClarkie |
Aug-27-07 01:55 PM |
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They seem to think there will never be a Democratic president |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Aug-27-07 02:06 PM |
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Only DMC would slam Obama for NOT voting for Roberts --- |
AtomicKitten |
Aug-27-07 11:36 AM |
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I don't know AK, |
seasonedblue |
Aug-27-07 12:01 PM |
#48 |
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Read the thread for the answer |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Aug-27-07 12:04 PM |
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So you're saying that Edwards voted his conscience |
seasonedblue |
Aug-27-07 12:13 PM |
#51 |
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He voted for a lower ct. appointment for the same reasons senators have been doing so for 200+ years |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Aug-27-07 12:23 PM |
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So why then did Edwards vote YES on Roberts TWICE? |
jefferson_dem |
Aug-27-07 01:08 PM |
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Senate tradition. The same reason 90+ senators did and 0 voted against him |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Aug-27-07 01:16 PM |
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So you stand by your criticism of Obama for voting NO on Roberts while Edwards voted YES TWICE. |
jefferson_dem |
Aug-27-07 01:19 PM |
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I think my personal favorite was when he -- |
AtomicKitten |
Aug-27-07 12:07 PM |
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It's breathtaking ROFLMAO |
seasonedblue |
Aug-27-07 12:15 PM |
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Or his persistent baseless smears against Obama for being DLC...only that he isn't... |
jefferson_dem |
Aug-27-07 01:10 PM |
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he's a sloppy provocateur -- |
AtomicKitten |
Aug-27-07 01:15 PM |
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Giving money to 72% of the Senate DLC is not a "smear". The DLC is part of the party nt |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Aug-27-07 01:17 PM |
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Edwards YES twice on Roberts. |
jefferson_dem |
Aug-27-07 01:01 PM |
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shit. How could he even consider voting for Roberts. We all knew what that |
robinlynne |
Aug-27-07 11:55 AM |
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Obama voted AGAINST Roberts. |
AtomicKitten |
Aug-27-07 12:15 PM |
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yes I do. And I understand that his inclination was to vote for him, but a poltical |
robinlynne |
Aug-27-07 12:47 PM |
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fwiw |
AtomicKitten |
Aug-27-07 12:59 PM |
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He licks his finger to see which way the wind is blowing. NT |
William769 |
Aug-27-07 01:01 PM |
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Obama does his homework. |
AtomicKitten |
Aug-27-07 01:05 PM |
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He's a bot - needs people to tell him what to do. Think he'll hire Bob Shrum? |
wyldwolf |
Aug-27-07 01:16 PM |
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Lame. (nt) |
AtomicKitten |
Aug-27-07 01:18 PM |
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LOL! |
jefferson_dem |
Aug-27-07 01:20 PM |
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Projection? When have the Clintons ever enlisted Bob Shrum? |
wyldwolf |
Aug-27-07 01:24 PM |
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Wasn't Shrum Bill's speechwriter for years? |
WesDem |
Aug-27-07 04:39 PM |
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WW, can you tell us whether 99.99999% of Clinton appointees to lower courts sailed through... |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Aug-27-07 01:21 PM |
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I recall Al Franken repeatedly making the point the GOP held up Clinton appoitees. |
wyldwolf |
Aug-27-07 01:23 PM |
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That is part of the story. Once a judge gets a vote he/she easily gets confirmed |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Aug-27-07 01:26 PM |
#84 |
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Bullshit. Obama exercised good judgment...and voted NO. |
jefferson_dem |
Aug-27-07 01:05 PM |
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He exercised political calculation--exactly what he is marketed as being above |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Aug-27-07 01:19 PM |
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the opposite of good judgment is Hill's & Edwards' YES votes on the IWR |
AtomicKitten |
Aug-27-07 01:22 PM |
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They ALL exercise political calculation, to some degree. They are POLITICIANS! In the end, |
wienerdoggie |
Aug-27-07 02:05 PM |
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Exactly--but he is falsley marketed as being above this nt |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Aug-27-07 02:08 PM |
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I have 2 simple questions for you |
Bodhi BloodWave |
Aug-27-07 04:16 PM |
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He did vote NO, but some people live in a parallel universe...so... |
zulchzulu |
Aug-27-07 04:51 PM |
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I don't get your reasoning. |
Lord Helmet |
Aug-27-07 04:50 PM |
#104 |
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Lay off the bong and then I'll explain it to you |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Aug-27-07 05:08 PM |
#107 |
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In your twisted opinion Sean! |
rufus dog |
Aug-27-07 05:11 PM |
#108 |
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