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dmallind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-24-07 12:36 PM
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4. Giuliani and Thompson have the most "good vibes"
Edited on Fri Aug-24-07 12:37 PM by dmallind
amongst the electorate of the Rep field but that should be pretty easy to reduce once we get into a head to head competition on specifics and policy. Rudy is surprising me a bit by continuing to do so well with evangelicals but he hasn't been the target of much "values" attacks either, so I suspect that's mostly due to the R after his name and the tiresome image of him as a valuable post 9/11 leader. One would suspect few of them have yet seen pictures of him in drag or heard too much about his shifting pro choice stance. Rest assured they will.

Thompson has the opposite problem - his good vibe comes from his imposing presence and image as a fair and competent leader in his L&O role. He's wowing a lot of moderates with this. When they hear that he's both a policy lightweight and a socially extreme conservative, the currently barely-engaged moderates will desert him in droves.

Long term neither candidate scares me much in a general, and I think neither will get far beyond the automatic (R) voters. There are of course about 40% of them, so any inroads into moderate territory they can make will help enormously, but I honestly can't see either of them getting closer than 5-6% to any Dem candidate other than the extremely unlikely Kucinich/Gravel options.

Which of course would be great if we elected presidents on popular votes. However absent some wild news from CA about their vote split idea, we should carry enough swing states to be good. Everything subject to change of course. If Obama gets caught with gay porn on his laptop, Edwards confesses to using illegals as slave labor to run his estate and Hillary shows up with a $50 million dollar account in the Caymans with one deposit from Jack Abramoff then sure problems might start happening.
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  -Rasmussen: Obama Holds On to Slim Leads over Rudy & Thompson rinsd  Aug-24-07 12:11 PM   #0 
  - "Slim leads"? Ridiculous.  aquart   Aug-24-07 12:21 PM   #1 
  - Obama is still on the lead, that's the important thing.  Katzenkavalier   Aug-24-07 12:24 PM   #2 
  - Its Rasmussen's headline. And yes what is important is that he is in the lead (3rd poll in a row)  rinsd   Aug-24-07 12:28 PM   #3 
     - Zogby: "Hillary's move in Iowa mirrors her national gains as others fade."..  Tellurian   Aug-24-07 12:46 PM   #7 
        - Hillary is doing very well.  rinsd   Aug-24-07 12:49 PM   #8 
        - Did you see who she has for her in S.C. now?  William769   Aug-24-07 12:56 PM   #10 
           - No. Who joined the team?  rinsd   Aug-24-07 01:01 PM   #13 
              - ...  William769   Aug-24-07 01:04 PM   #14 
                 - Very cool!  rinsd   Aug-24-07 01:07 PM   #16 
                 - ....  Tellurian   Aug-24-07 04:26 PM   #20 
                    - Back atcha!  William769   Aug-24-07 05:50 PM   #23 
        - I'd love to see her win in Iowa  durrrty libby   Aug-24-07 01:48 PM   #17 
           - dl...  Tellurian   Aug-24-07 04:29 PM   #21 
              - LOL  durrrty libby   Aug-24-07 05:36 PM   #22 
  - Giuliani and Thompson have the most "good vibes"  dmallind   Aug-24-07 12:36 PM   #4 
  - "competent leader in his L&O role. He's wowing a lot of moderates with this"  durrrty libby   Aug-24-07 01:54 PM   #18 
     - Yeah starting to look that way ain't it.  dmallind   Aug-24-07 04:07 PM   #19 
  - Does Obama flip any red states? That is where he seems to lag far behind JE and HRC  draft_mario_cuomo   Aug-24-07 12:38 PM   #5 
     - Quinnipiac has him losing OH. PA & FL as well.  rinsd   Aug-24-07 12:43 PM   #6 
        - How do we win if we lose Ohio, PA, FL, NY, and even Massachusetts?  draft_mario_cuomo   Aug-24-07 12:54 PM   #9 
           - This is the EC if we lose those states alone. Forget for now the other states BO would lose  draft_mario_cuomo   Aug-24-07 12:56 PM   #11 
           - We don't have much on head to head numbers by state though.  rinsd   Aug-24-07 12:59 PM   #12 
              - We have two multi-state SurveyUSA polls (one also included Edwards)  draft_mario_cuomo   Aug-24-07 01:05 PM   #15 
 

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