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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 12:18 PM
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Here they go with the "educated elite" stuff again...using it on Obama just like they did Dean in 04
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For too long that "educated elite" theme has been allowed to go on. They must find it easy to dumb down education systems when all the while calling educated people elite.

We must not allow them to use the two words together in a negative way against any candidates.

August 16, 2007
Support from Academic Elite Not Key to Winning
A new Gallup poll found that Sen. Barack Obama has much higher support among the most educated voters while Sen. Hillary Clinton receives more support from those with a high school diploma or less.

However, while support among educated elites may be responsible in part for Obamas excellent fundraising, it will not necessarily translate to electoral victory. Gallup points out that in the previous three election cycles the democratic candidate receiving the most support from the most educated -- Howard Dean in 2004, Bill Bradley in 2000, and Bob Kerrey in 1992 -- did not go on to win the partys nomination (despite a boost in fundraising). The last democrat to win the nomination with similar skewing in support by education was Michael Dukakis in 1988.
Support from academic elite not key to winning

I remember when the Pew Research study on 11,000 supporters of Howard Dean showed high levels of education. Educated people supporting a candidate...can't have that. Even at Democratic forums that study was used in a negative way. People never stopped being insulting about that poll. I have had posters here use it frequently to attempt to show we are "out of touch".

Recently a Washington Post reporter referred to that Pew study to justify some statements he made about Howard Dean's supporters. He said the Pew study justified these statements he made in an article.

Obama campaign advisers -- many of them campaign veterans who watched Dean's slow rise and rapid descent at close range -- reject the comparison, arguing that their candidate and organization won't repeat the mistakes of the former Vermont governor.

But as Obama has shattered fundraising records over the past few months while continuing to trail Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) by double digits in polls, the challenge for the senator from Illinois has become clear: He must turn the intense devotion of his backers into a force that can win primaries, expanding his base of support beyond the narrow band of Democratic elites who backed Dean.

Obama Faces the Test Dean Failed: Broadening Support

The reporter did not use "educated elite" in the article, but he did justify his use of the word "elite" by the Pew Poll.

The Dean Activists: Their Profile and Prospects

It is not okay to play down the role of educated people. The word "elite" should never be used in conjunction with the word "educated".

DFA responds to the WP article that speaks of the "narrow band of Democratic elites"...

We ought to speak up when they do that.

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  -Here they go with the "educated elite" stuff again...using it on Obama just like they did Dean in 04 madfloridian  Aug-16-07 12:18 PM   #0 
  - How is that any different than people using the uneducated that support Hillary?  William769   Aug-16-07 12:27 PM   #1 
  - They are wrong to do that.  madfloridian   Aug-16-07 12:30 PM   #7 
  - I read another take on this  trashcanistanista   Aug-17-07 04:29 PM   #48 
  - and un hip!!  ronnykmarshall   Aug-16-07 01:55 PM   #23 
  - What's wrong with being informed and curious?  Solon   Aug-16-07 12:27 PM   #2 
  - It is quite a hoot to watch them operate  BOSSHOG   Aug-16-07 12:31 PM   #9 
  - Many people mistakenly associate intellectualism with arrogance and snobishness.  Odin2005   Aug-16-07 08:14 PM   #36 
  - Having an education is elitist ???  C_U_L8R   Aug-16-07 12:28 PM   #3 
  - It's not about the candidate, it's about the voters.  jobycom   Aug-16-07 12:33 PM   #11 
     - Yes, both are equally bad.  madfloridian   Aug-16-07 12:35 PM   #14 
     - Oh nailed it perfectly!  Grandrose   Aug-16-07 02:18 PM   #31 
  - I find it rather humorous, I would suggest that the opposite of educated elite  BOSSHOG   Aug-16-07 12:28 PM   #4 
  - Good analysis. It's a double edged sword, too, that they strike both ways with.  jobycom   Aug-16-07 12:29 PM   #5 
  - Yes, it does work against both of them.  madfloridian   Aug-16-07 12:32 PM   #10 
  - "they" are such... monsters!  wyldwolf   Aug-16-07 12:29 PM   #6 
  - This country has always had an anti-intellectual streak.  Brigid   Aug-16-07 12:31 PM   #8 
  - Richard Hofstadter's "Anti-Intellectualism in American Life" is an excellent read on that subject.  AnotherGreenWorld   Aug-16-07 02:26 PM   #32 
  - I keep waiting for the next step: WWJHABW  madfloridian   Aug-16-07 12:34 PM   #12 
  - Im making stickers of that right now.  Rottenmac   Aug-17-07 04:46 AM   #40 
  - It appeals to their uneducated core...  niceypoo   Aug-16-07 12:34 PM   #13 
  - LOL  madfloridian   Aug-16-07 12:35 PM   #15 
  - I rest my case.  William769   Aug-16-07 12:57 PM   #17 
     - Since I agree with you that it was also an insult to Hillary...  madfloridian   Aug-16-07 01:03 PM   #18 
        - Sorry I meant to respond to the person you responded to.  William769   Aug-16-07 01:05 PM   #20 
           - Thanks.  madfloridian   Aug-16-07 01:14 PM   #21 
              - Back atcha.  William769   Aug-16-07 01:16 PM   #22 
  - More proof why siblings shouldnt mate  Cobalt-60   Aug-16-07 02:14 PM   #28 
  - The guy with the rotten teethe and poor hygene...  niceypoo   Aug-18-07 09:31 AM   #58 
  - LOL!!!!  Grandrose   Aug-17-07 08:59 PM   #50 
  - After six years of being led by a member of the UN-educated elite  rocknation   Aug-16-07 12:44 PM   #16 
  - The Gallup analysis is an extremely shoddy piece of work  karynnj   Aug-16-07 01:05 PM   #19 
  - Gallup's analysis should show their own prejudice in their "polling"  loudsue   Aug-17-07 07:24 AM   #43 
     - Here, I don't know (or think) the polling was skewed  karynnj   Aug-17-07 09:36 AM   #44 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-16-07 02:07 PM   #24 
  - How many professors do you know...Greenworld.  madfloridian   Aug-16-07 02:09 PM   #25 
     - I know quite a few. And I am one.  AnotherGreenWorld   Aug-16-07 02:12 PM   #27 
        - Gotcha...  madfloridian   Aug-16-07 02:17 PM   #30 
  - But I thought King George was educated elite with his 'HAVAD MBA' and all?  48percenter   Aug-16-07 02:09 PM   #26 
  - And Bush himself said the "elite" was his "base"  tridim   Aug-16-07 07:58 PM   #35 
  - What the HELL is so bad about education?  AX10   Aug-16-07 02:15 PM   #29 
  - ## PLEASE DONATE TO DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND! ##  DU GrovelBot   Aug-16-07 02:26 PM   #33 
  - Oh my, I didn't go through college  killbotfactory   Aug-16-07 02:46 PM   #34 
  - God forbid the unwashed masses ...  Everybody   Aug-16-07 08:41 PM   #37 
  - "the educated don't pick them"....a view from a blogger  madfloridian   Aug-17-07 12:09 AM   #38 
  - How about this...  Rottenmac   Aug-17-07 04:41 AM   #39 
  - Yeah, Bush Went to Yale and Harvard, On Paper  Demeter   Aug-17-07 04:50 AM   #41 
  - Fuck the intelligent! Morans rule!  Dragonbreathp9d   Aug-17-07 06:51 AM   #42 
  - They have no choice  Time for change   Aug-17-07 10:07 AM   #45 
  - And yet another article using almost the same words....  madfloridian   Aug-17-07 12:19 PM   #46 
  - Bill Maher did a bit on the perception of the Elite  tsegat01   Aug-17-07 04:02 PM   #47 
  - Look where ignorance and stupidity has gotten the country  Spinzonner   Aug-17-07 08:58 PM   #49 
  - This article says educated supporters will actually hurt him.  madfloridian   Aug-17-07 10:37 PM   #51 
  - What a ridiculous claim.  Katzenkavalier   Aug-17-07 10:39 PM   #52 
     - It's stupid, but they did it to us in 04.  madfloridian   Aug-17-07 10:42 PM   #53 
        - These are the same people who made "liberal" a dirty word  tsegat01   Aug-18-07 04:32 AM   #55 
  - The "educated" actually vote...  zulchzulu   Aug-17-07 10:42 PM   #54 
  - lol  democratsin08   Aug-18-07 08:09 AM   #56 
  - I guess this actually means that those who support R's are  rasputin1952   Aug-18-07 08:49 AM   #57 
  - Am I misreading this, or is this a concrete illustration  LWolf   Aug-18-07 12:55 PM   #59 
  - Put down the educated by use of the word "elite"...  madfloridian   Aug-18-07 04:11 PM   #61 
  - The same tactic used against Adlai Stevenson  goodgd_yall   Aug-18-07 03:53 PM   #60 
  - Every time one of the so-called elitist candidates lose  Nedsdag   Aug-18-07 04:45 PM   #62 
  - Aww...  madfloridian   Aug-18-07 09:12 PM   #63 

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