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Sun Aug-12-07 08:24 PM
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| 157. So now we're borrowing tactics from the GOP? |
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When Kerry was accused of flip-flopping by the GOP, we defended him as "having changed his mind." As I said at the time, I'd prefer a politician and, especially, President who is open to changing their mind, finding out new information, reconsidering the facts. Many others said something approximately the same. Someone who doesn't do that is, well, Bush.
And yet....now that term is being used against "other candidates" whenever they change their position on something? How disgusting!
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| -One of Hillary's flip-flops finally hits the MSM... |
jenmito |
Aug-10-07 06:30 PM |
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They're actually discussing her use of the word "girl." |
graywarrior |
Aug-10-07 06:31 PM |
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I know. Tweety seems to have a nightly segment only about Hillary... |
jenmito |
Aug-10-07 06:33 PM |
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tweety is only slightly less hostile to the clintons |
hijinx87 |
Aug-10-07 06:51 PM |
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No wonder he praises her, names her as the "clear winner" and acts like she's the nominee... |
jenmito |
Aug-10-07 06:54 PM |
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good heavens |
hijinx87 |
Aug-10-07 06:58 PM |
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Well, you said... |
jenmito |
Aug-10-07 07:06 PM |
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I concede this one to you. I quite honestly don't know what tweety may or may not desire |
hijinx87 |
Aug-10-07 07:24 PM |
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Thank you. |
jenmito |
Aug-10-07 07:29 PM |
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no problem. |
hijinx87 |
Aug-10-07 07:33 PM |
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As are Obama supporters... |
jenmito |
Aug-10-07 07:39 PM |
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outstanding. |
hijinx87 |
Aug-10-07 07:44 PM |
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Deal. |
jenmito |
Aug-10-07 07:50 PM |
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I think |
hijinx87 |
Aug-10-07 07:54 PM |
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Thanks... |
jenmito |
Aug-10-07 07:57 PM |
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personally, I thought that was an excellent touch. |
hijinx87 |
Aug-10-07 06:33 PM |
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i think the difference . . . |
hijinx87 |
Aug-10-07 06:31 PM |
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But she had to know she was going to be one... |
jenmito |
Aug-10-07 06:34 PM |
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"going to be" is different from "currently is". |
hijinx87 |
Aug-10-07 06:38 PM |
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She was a Senator. And we all knew she'd be a candidate. |
jenmito |
Aug-10-07 06:39 PM |
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I think you fail to understand the difference |
hijinx87 |
Aug-10-07 06:43 PM |
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Yes, I DO fail to understand the difference. A Senator is part of the government |
jenmito |
Aug-10-07 06:51 PM |
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a senator is 1/100th of 1/2 of 1/3rd of the national government |
hijinx87 |
Aug-10-07 06:54 PM |
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Doesn't matter. Either her words matter before she became a candidate |
jenmito |
Aug-10-07 07:01 PM |
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oh, for heaven's sake. it absolutely matters. |
hijinx87 |
Aug-10-07 07:21 PM |
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She said it knowing she'd be a presidential candidate... |
jenmito |
Aug-10-07 07:36 PM |
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once agagain, what you may be is very different from what you currently are |
hijinx87 |
Aug-10-07 07:47 PM |
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So when she said she'd meet with our enemies, that counted? |
jenmito |
Aug-10-07 07:53 PM |
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which enemies? |
hijinx87 |
Aug-10-07 07:56 PM |
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Iran, Syria, Cuba's leaders, etc. n/t |
jenmito |
Aug-10-07 07:58 PM |
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I'd like an explantation of just when Hillary's words can be taken seriously! |
earthlover |
Aug-11-07 09:15 AM |
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Bump for a response... |
jenmito |
Aug-11-07 11:32 AM |
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nearly missed this subthread |
hijinx87 |
Aug-12-07 02:01 PM |
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I think you will find |
hijinx87 |
Aug-12-07 02:00 PM |
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"years and years" Oh My God! |
earthlover |
Aug-12-07 09:56 PM |
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So all her 'experience' prior to her becoming a candidate doesn't matter either? |
Debi |
Aug-10-07 06:41 PM |
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why are there so many people here that insist |
hijinx87 |
Aug-10-07 06:49 PM |
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Yup, and she'll energize the Repub. base like NO other candidate. |
jenmito |
Aug-10-07 06:53 PM |
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the rethuglican base will be energized no matter what |
hijinx87 |
Aug-10-07 06:56 PM |
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It's true that SHE will energize the Repub. base more than any others... |
jenmito |
Aug-10-07 07:09 PM |
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first of all, I tend to dismiss anecdotal evidence |
hijinx87 |
Aug-10-07 07:30 PM |
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That's ok... |
jenmito |
Aug-10-07 07:42 PM |
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this is another difference of opinion we have |
hijinx87 |
Aug-10-07 07:51 PM |
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It sure is... |
jenmito |
Aug-10-07 07:56 PM |
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he was pretty good in the IL debate |
hijinx87 |
Aug-10-07 08:00 PM |
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Thanks... |
jenmito |
Aug-10-07 08:02 PM |
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he is impressive in his responses to the attacks on him lately |
hijinx87 |
Aug-10-07 08:09 PM |
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I think he'll do very well against them... |
jenmito |
Aug-10-07 08:49 PM |
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very much so. |
hijinx87 |
Aug-10-07 09:29 PM |
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I gotta disagree... |
jenmito |
Aug-10-07 10:11 PM |
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I have to admit |
hijinx87 |
Aug-11-07 12:01 AM |
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Yup... |
jenmito |
Aug-11-07 11:30 AM |
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so we should nominate someone the right-wing likes? |
MonkeyFunk |
Aug-10-07 07:30 PM |
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that was sort of my question, too n/t |
hijinx87 |
Aug-10-07 07:33 PM |
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No. We should nominate someone who has good judgement and is, at the same time, |
jenmito |
Aug-10-07 07:47 PM |
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The right-wing will attack |
MonkeyFunk |
Aug-10-07 07:58 PM |
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Of course they will... |
jenmito |
Aug-10-07 08:00 PM |
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the "dirt" they have on Hillary |
MonkeyFunk |
Aug-10-07 08:08 PM |
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Who says it's all been put out there? |
jenmito |
Aug-10-07 08:54 PM |
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The"dirt" has been out there....so that when it is drudged out AGAIN it will be familiar,believable |
earthlover |
Aug-11-07 09:37 AM |
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what? vince foster? |
hijinx87 |
Aug-10-07 08:12 PM |
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vince foster for a start.....but try Ms Flip Flop on for size.... |
earthlover |
Aug-12-07 09:59 PM |
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I heard Rash Limbaugh |
creeksneakers2 |
Aug-10-07 08:15 PM |
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If it's false, he'll fight it. |
jenmito |
Aug-10-07 08:55 PM |
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What planet are you from? |
MonkeyFunk |
Aug-10-07 08:57 PM |
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I'm from earth... |
jenmito |
Aug-10-07 09:23 PM |
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go easy, bro |
hijinx87 |
Aug-11-07 12:03 AM |
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Why THANKS, hijinx! |
jenmito |
Aug-11-07 11:36 AM |
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I'm watching the Iowa Repub. straw poll speeches... |
jenmito |
Aug-11-07 03:15 PM |
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yeah, he was against the war, but |
hijinx87 |
Aug-10-07 08:06 PM |
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I disagree... |
jenmito |
Aug-10-07 08:48 PM |
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you have hit upon it exactly. you do that a lot, by the way. |
hijinx87 |
Aug-10-07 08:55 PM |
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Thanks (again)... |
jenmito |
Aug-10-07 09:22 PM |
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name three prominent democrats |
hijinx87 |
Aug-10-07 11:44 PM |
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I can't. But Russ Feingold was thinking about it... |
jenmito |
Aug-11-07 11:39 AM |
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Wellstone voted no, and he was in a tight race for re-election |
earthlover |
Aug-11-07 09:46 PM |
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Ah...thanks for the info. |
jenmito |
Aug-11-07 09:52 PM |
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So all of these Democrats are just smarter than Hill? |
bvar22 |
Aug-11-07 10:12 PM |
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But he asked..."...and are candidates for the nomination..." |
jenmito |
Aug-11-07 10:22 PM |
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Yes. He limited the choices. |
bvar22 |
Aug-11-07 10:27 PM |
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I do, too... |
jenmito |
Aug-11-07 10:29 PM |
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"limited" is a misleading verb. I simply choose to be consistent. |
hijinx87 |
Aug-12-07 01:55 PM |
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Right....also, Obama had constituents too.... |
earthlover |
Aug-11-07 09:44 PM |
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That's right... |
jenmito |
Aug-11-07 09:54 PM |
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obama had ZERO national security responsibility |
hijinx87 |
Aug-12-07 01:47 PM |
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He still spoke out against it and NAILED it re: what the result of our invasion would be |
jenmito |
Aug-12-07 03:46 PM |
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I dismiss it as irrelevant. |
hijinx87 |
Aug-12-07 04:27 PM |
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I really don't understand how you can dismiss it... |
jenmito |
Aug-12-07 06:31 PM |
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he spoke out against it when no one nationally cared what he thought. |
hijinx87 |
Aug-12-07 06:51 PM |
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But it was still what he believed and said... |
jenmito |
Aug-12-07 07:53 PM |
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honestly, jenmito |
hijinx87 |
Aug-12-07 08:09 PM |
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If he ran for national office a year later, definitely... |
jenmito |
Aug-12-07 08:17 PM |
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no, it just doesn't matter |
hijinx87 |
Aug-12-07 08:19 PM |
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It matters to me... |
jenmito |
Aug-12-07 08:36 PM |
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specious (yet effective) argument |
hijinx87 |
Aug-12-07 08:56 PM |
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I accept the effective part... |
jenmito |
Aug-12-07 09:44 PM |
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I am a moderate. you got me!! |
hijinx87 |
Aug-12-07 11:35 PM |
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The Point is he got it right the first time. I do not want someone in office who can not make the |
Ethelk2044 |
Aug-12-07 04:00 PM |
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just for the sake of argument, is a single wrong decision automatically disqualifying? |
hijinx87 |
Aug-12-07 04:28 PM |
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i agree, sometimes I wonder if I am on ahe DU board or a RW board when |
rodeodance |
Aug-10-07 08:01 PM |
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You said it. |
seasonedblue |
Aug-12-07 11:15 AM |
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defending hillary is actually |
hijinx87 |
Aug-12-07 02:18 PM |
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That's very true, |
seasonedblue |
Aug-12-07 06:45 PM |
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her ADA LQ is 100%, last I checked. |
hijinx87 |
Aug-12-07 06:53 PM |
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No. HRC can't put "I was married to the boss" on her resumé. |
ShortnFiery |
Aug-11-07 12:08 AM |
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She's been a candidate since 2000 |
sandnsea |
Aug-10-07 06:35 PM |
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and john edwards has been "running" since kerry conceded |
hijinx87 |
Aug-10-07 06:42 PM |
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So she has different values as a Senator than as a President? |
Terri S |
Aug-11-07 07:25 PM |
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There's no double standard |
creeksneakers2 |
Aug-10-07 07:01 PM |
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If, as you just said, |
jenmito |
Aug-10-07 07:12 PM |
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Obama said he'd never use the weapons. n/t |
creeksneakers2 |
Aug-10-07 08:16 PM |
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Is using nukes a good thing? Just askin' |
earthlover |
Aug-11-07 03:50 PM |
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Could you imagine if OBAMA would've said nuking Pakistan is on the table? |
jenmito |
Aug-11-07 03:54 PM |
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The threat of using nukes can help |
creeksneakers2 |
Aug-11-07 04:07 PM |
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In the mountains of Pakistan? |
Terri S |
Aug-11-07 07:29 PM |
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To be precise, Obama said "the mountains BETWEEN Afghanistan and Pakistan" |
Bongo Prophet |
Aug-12-07 02:34 AM |
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You should ask the Pakistani "spokesman" (from the govt.) who was on Late Edition this morning |
jenmito |
Aug-12-07 03:57 PM |
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There is no sense of humor anymore on DU, even on weekends? Maybe it was taken seriously? Sorry. |
Bongo Prophet |
Aug-12-07 07:35 PM |
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I have a great sense of humor, but... |
jenmito |
Aug-12-07 08:04 PM |
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Thanks for being cool about it, jenmito |
Bongo Prophet |
Aug-12-07 10:11 PM |
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No problem, Bongo! |
jenmito |
Aug-12-07 10:35 PM |
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Hillary didn't think the threat of nukes could help in Iran... |
jenmito |
Aug-11-07 08:46 PM |
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Fact of the matter is, Hillary said they would not be on the table...that was before she said.... |
earthlover |
Aug-11-07 09:50 PM |
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Exactly.... |
jenmito |
Aug-11-07 09:57 PM |
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as pointed out here-----CONTEXT is very important. |
rodeodance |
Aug-10-07 07:03 PM |
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If SHE was president, she would take nukes off the table re: striking Iran... |
jenmito |
Aug-10-07 07:19 PM |
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In listening to the actual debate----she clearly was talking about a 'hypo= |
rodeodance |
Aug-10-07 07:44 PM |
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So was Obama. Unless I missed something... |
jenmito |
Aug-10-07 07:49 PM |
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I was referring to previous and past statement made by Clinton (not Obama) |
rodeodance |
Aug-10-07 07:58 PM |
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They're ALL hypotheticals. |
jenmito |
Aug-10-07 08:56 PM |
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She doesn't DO hypotheticals when she doesn't want to answer a question.... |
earthlover |
Aug-12-07 06:33 AM |
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Exactly... |
jenmito |
Aug-12-07 11:08 AM |
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matthews shocked me by acutally saying something true rather than gush about Hillary |
illinoisprogressive |
Aug-10-07 09:28 PM |
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Me, too! That's what inspired me to start this thread! |
jenmito |
Aug-10-07 10:13 PM |
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To Rupert Murdoch, the Political Ruling Elite and their Journalistic Errand Boys/Girls |
ShortnFiery |
Aug-11-07 12:15 AM |
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That's the problem... |
jenmito |
Aug-11-07 11:44 AM |
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I was amazed it hit the MSM also! |
superkia |
Aug-11-07 12:15 AM |
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Especially Tweety saying it! n/t |
jenmito |
Aug-11-07 11:46 AM |
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I have decided that Matthews has something wrong with him |
pirhana |
Aug-11-07 12:27 AM |
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Well, he DOES have diabetes... |
jenmito |
Aug-11-07 11:55 AM |
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He is right. She is a flip flopper and she everyone knows it. |
Ethelk2044 |
Aug-11-07 04:16 PM |
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At least MORE people know it now that a couple weeks ago... |
jenmito |
Aug-11-07 06:26 PM |
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She's not ready for prime time. |
killbotfactory |
Aug-11-07 01:46 AM |
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it certainly was naive....and unaccetable to attack another candidate for the same thing she said |
earthlover |
Aug-11-07 09:40 AM |
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Yup. |
jenmito |
Aug-11-07 11:58 AM |
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I love your |
jenmito |
Aug-11-07 11:57 AM |
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without reading the OP or thread -- I don't like the word "flip-flop" |
AtomicKitten |
Aug-11-07 09:47 PM |
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To each his/her own... |
jenmito |
Aug-11-07 09:58 PM |
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sorry |
AtomicKitten |
Aug-11-07 10:10 PM |
#112 |
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I understand... |
jenmito |
Aug-11-07 10:27 PM |
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that must be it -- too fresh from 2004 |
AtomicKitten |
Aug-11-07 10:30 PM |
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What do you mean by "SS Clinton"? |
jenmito |
Aug-11-07 10:43 PM |
#119 |
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don't let anybody kid you, she's kicking butt |
AtomicKitten |
Aug-11-07 10:44 PM |
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Nationally it seems that way... |
jenmito |
Aug-11-07 10:47 PM |
#121 |
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national polls are largely shaped by the early primary/caucus states |
hijinx87 |
Aug-12-07 04:32 PM |
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They are? |
jenmito |
Aug-12-07 06:44 PM |
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The nomination was a done deal for Kerry after Iowa and New Hampshire. |
Alexander |
Aug-12-07 06:46 PM |
#142 |
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I know... |
jenmito |
Aug-12-07 08:11 PM |
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the poll numers don't matter until the early states start to come in |
hijinx87 |
Aug-12-07 07:13 PM |
#145 |
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I know that. |
jenmito |
Aug-12-07 08:13 PM |
#151 |
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I'm not sure that I said that, either. |
hijinx87 |
Aug-12-07 08:16 PM |
#152 |
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You didn't... |
jenmito |
Aug-12-07 08:18 PM |
#154 |
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I am careful about what fact I bring into evidence |
hijinx87 |
Aug-12-07 08:22 PM |
#156 |
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OK... |
jenmito |
Aug-12-07 08:30 PM |
#158 |
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she is good people. |
hijinx87 |
Aug-12-07 08:34 PM |
#159 |
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That's ok... |
jenmito |
Aug-12-07 08:48 PM |
#161 |
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Gives me a rash. |
AZBlue |
Aug-12-07 10:52 PM |
#170 |
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this suprises people? |
HuffleClaw |
Aug-12-07 01:42 AM |
#122 |
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I agree. It just shows how she can not take one side of an issue. |
Ethelk2044 |
Aug-12-07 08:30 AM |
#125 |
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So now we're borrowing tactics from the GOP? |
AZBlue |
Aug-12-07 08:24 PM |
#157 |
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No...Kerry did NOT flip-flop... |
jenmito |
Aug-12-07 09:18 PM |
#163 |
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I know...so why are you using their derogatory term?? |
AZBlue |
Aug-12-07 10:52 PM |
#169 |
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I believe Hillary changed her position as a calculated move to look strong compared to Obama. |
jenmito |
Aug-13-07 11:11 AM |
#172 |
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