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150. I'd lov to vote for Kucinch but I can't
I'm a Brit, I'm not allowed to vote for him but I'd love to vote for him, campaign for him, give him money.

Thing is, I'm taking the tack the late Molly Ivins once summed up as "In the primary, I vote to change the world; in the general I vote the lesser of two evils". I'd vote for Kucinich in the primary but I think he's unelectable. He's short, not the world's best public speaker and a little weird looking (that said, John Kerry looked like Lurch and I liked Kerry) and his public statements on spirituality are, well, odd. Oh, and his wife's a hottie. Yes, all of that's entirely cosmetic; no, none of that would affect his performance as president but yes, most people really ARE that superficial.

Any of the Dem candidates would make a decent president, none of them would be a disgrace but Hillary and Obama (for example) would only tinker with the status-quo. The current political climate is a cult of wealth worship and most of the candidates would only play with the details of that. Kucinich is the only one calling for the root and branch changes which are absolutely necessary to move forward. He's the only one committed to the only realistic healthcare option (which is roughly the same option that the rest of the industrialised world uses), he's the only one talking about the disaster that has been NAFTA (I liked Clinton but, in retrospect, that was a mistake), he's the only one calling for REAL changes.

Kucinich is the best candidate but he's also unelectable because the majority of the public are, hate to say, too easily distracted to listen to the guy. I'd vote for him in the primary but I'd be surprised if I got teh chance to vote for him in the general.
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  -I no longer fear the Kucinich Revolution. n2doc  Aug-10-07 11:26 AM   #0 
  - I now welcome it with open arms!  Totally Committed   Aug-10-07 11:32 AM   #1 
  - I saw kucinich on Logo last night  peacetheonlyway   Aug-10-07 11:34 AM   #2 
  - The first callers on Ed Schultz today  ayeshahaqqiqa   Aug-10-07 11:49 AM   #11 
  - and he kicked butt during the AFL-CIO debate  goddess40   Aug-10-07 12:11 PM   #17 
  - A Hillary nomination will see mass defections  bvar22   Aug-10-07 10:29 PM   #53 
  - You're right and that's why the MSM and the republicans love her  goddess40   Aug-11-07 10:16 AM   #130 
  - Yes indeed!  rucognizant   Aug-11-07 10:15 AM   #129 
  - I think the thing most of the pundits don't get  liberalmike27   Aug-11-07 07:40 AM   #106 
  - A guest on WJ this morning said, in essence that he thinks DK  sfexpat2000   Aug-10-07 11:34 AM   #3 
  - It's a meme that is used to discount DK. If anyone both talks the talk and walks the walk,  ShortnFiery   Aug-10-07 11:36 AM   #4 
  - HE is the ONLY Dem. candidate that has my vote  soulcore   Aug-10-07 12:22 PM   #19 
     - Me TOO  SSpeedracer   Aug-10-07 02:32 PM   #32 
        - Wow. How considerate of you.  slick8790   Aug-10-07 04:38 PM   #46 
        - i had a dog named slick  onewholaughsatfools   Aug-11-07 12:08 AM   #73 
        - You would vote for someone you don't like  slick8790   Aug-11-07 10:45 AM   #138 
        - Which would be an impressive statement on your part  Ken Burch   Aug-11-07 04:28 AM   #98 
        - They're just emulating Kucinich himself  MonkeyFunk   Aug-11-07 07:26 AM   #104 
           - our political system is corrupt, because of compromise  bedpanartist   Aug-11-07 09:33 AM   #121 
           - oh please  MonkeyFunk   Aug-11-07 09:41 AM   #125 
              - right  kenfrequed   Aug-11-07 10:19 AM   #131 
              - I can't visualize  bedpanartist   Aug-11-07 10:30 AM   #132 
                 - well goody for you  MonkeyFunk   Aug-11-07 03:56 PM   #158 
           - You are twisting the facts,  penguin7   Aug-11-07 09:01 PM   #168 
        - Remember Kinky and the TX gov race 2006  tbyg52   Aug-11-07 11:38 AM   #146 
  - Well you see, you just don't have the right definition of flakey  MadHound   Aug-10-07 11:39 AM   #5 
  - Now I get it!  sfexpat2000   Aug-10-07 11:44 AM   #9 
  - Yep, wanting to help the average person=flakey; being sick of corporations=flakey.  DemBones DemBones   Aug-11-07 01:08 AM   #80 
     - Yeah, Me, too. I want K-NOW-flake  Bryn   Aug-11-07 12:05 PM   #149 
  - yes. that's it.  robinlynne   Aug-10-07 11:59 AM   #15 
  - His friendship with Shirley McClaine is one reason he comes across  pnwmom   Aug-10-07 12:24 PM   #20 
  - I see.  LWolf   Aug-10-07 02:24 PM   #29 
  - Einstein wouldn't have made a good President.  pnwmom   Aug-10-07 08:00 PM   #50 
  - EXCUSE ME  onewholaughsatfools   Aug-11-07 12:00 AM   #70 
  - I grew up hearing stories about Einstein  pnwmom   Aug-11-07 03:05 PM   #155 
  - Thanks.  LWolf   Aug-12-07 10:48 AM   #178 
  - Nice rant....  Desertrose   Aug-12-07 01:09 PM   #180 
  - Would you really vote against someone because  DemBones DemBones   Aug-11-07 01:18 AM   #81 
  - I can't imagine a candidate surviving the general election  pnwmom   Aug-11-07 03:07 PM   #156 
  - Damn. Even more reasons to favor Kucinich  Vidar   Aug-11-07 03:00 AM   #95 
  - nice judgemental crap  bedpanartist   Aug-11-07 09:37 AM   #123 
  - you WISH your wife had a tongue stud  maxsolomon   Aug-11-07 11:05 AM   #139 
     - Um, no. Are you kidding?  pnwmom   Aug-11-07 03:11 PM   #157 
     - Cradle robbing? She's an adult woman who worked with  DemBones DemBones   Aug-12-07 01:30 AM   #173 
     - That picture was after Tweety's post-debate interview with Dennis.  DemBones DemBones   Aug-12-07 01:57 AM   #174 
  - Probably because...  bear425   Aug-10-07 04:58 PM   #48 
  - in his yute, he failed as mayor.  antifaschits   Aug-11-07 10:12 AM   #128 
     - He failed to sell out, which I think is a great success.  DemBones DemBones   Aug-12-07 02:00 AM   #175 
        - yup  antifaschits   Aug-12-07 07:30 AM   #176 
  - those who REALLY wants to help the Kucinich campaign...NOW IS THE TIME TO DONATE!!  Douglas Carpenter   Aug-10-07 11:40 AM   #6 
  - Already donated and will again, more people need to help keep his word out there!  superkia   Aug-10-07 11:59 AM   #16 
  - Remember in "They Thought They Were Free" where the Good German (The professor who squirrels away  truedelphi   Aug-10-07 02:06 PM   #24 
  - Yes. Everyone ought to read that about once a month, just as a reminder  DemBones DemBones   Aug-11-07 01:26 AM   #84 
  - and of course SPREAD THE WORD!  Douglas Carpenter   Aug-10-07 03:21 PM   #42 
  - I swore that because of the early start on the campaigns I would  NCevilDUer   Aug-10-07 11:25 PM   #58 
  - You are exactly right. Let's give him a well deserved  Jack Sprat   Aug-10-07 11:37 PM   #63 
  - They don't have to lie about him. There are enough reasons not to elect him  beastieboy   Aug-10-07 11:41 AM   #7 
  - Kuchinich panders to every special interest group on the planet..  Tellurian   Aug-10-07 12:54 PM   #21 
  - As long as he is at 2%, no one bothers to look very close.  beastieboy   Aug-10-07 01:26 PM   #22 
  - And use the opportunity for a 'face time' fund raising appeal..  Tellurian   Aug-10-07 01:29 PM   #23 
     - So we should nominate YOUR candidate, who agrees with Republicans on everything that matters.  Ken Burch   Aug-11-07 04:35 AM   #100 
        - Thanks for your concern..  Tellurian   Aug-11-07 08:18 AM   #109 
           - No, thanks for your concern.....  Beelzebud   Aug-11-07 10:39 AM   #136 
           - I can back up my statement  Ken Burch   Aug-11-07 01:22 PM   #152 
              - link or slink..  Tellurian   Aug-12-07 04:13 PM   #181 
  - "panders to every special interest groups" as opposed to those patriotic corporate lobbyist  Douglas Carpenter   Aug-10-07 02:15 PM   #26 
  - Let's see....  LWolf   Aug-10-07 02:29 PM   #30 
  - Ain't that the truth...  edwardsguy   Aug-10-07 04:49 PM   #47 
  - That's because he doesn't cave in to the Republican's wishes, like so many other Democrats,  DutchLiberal   Aug-11-07 09:02 AM   #115 
  - And how many bills have become law  edwardsguy   Aug-11-07 06:02 PM   #160 
     - Any source to back that up? But anyhow: it only means other Democrats and Republicans are not doing  DutchLiberal   Aug-11-07 06:47 PM   #164 
     - Just check his congressional website...  edwardsguy   Aug-11-07 08:53 PM   #166 
        - One of the few. How do I know? They all cave in to Bush every time.  DutchLiberal   Aug-12-07 05:30 PM   #182 
        - Your guy was only in the senate one term, and spent a few years in a GOP-controlled House before.  Ken Burch   Aug-12-07 06:06 PM   #184 
     - He is pushing important legislation just by running for president.  penguin7   Aug-11-07 08:57 PM   #167 
  - It would have a lot to do with the fact that Dennis was in a GOP-controlled Congress  Ken Burch   Aug-12-07 06:04 PM   #183 
  - LOL!  NCevilDUer   Aug-10-07 11:27 PM   #60 
  - Really! Hill is the one who tells people what they want to hear and  DemBones DemBones   Aug-11-07 01:21 AM   #82 
  - Congressman are chickenshits who don't want to do anything.  DemBones DemBones   Aug-11-07 01:24 AM   #83 
  - They're not chickenshits. They are complicit. n/t  NotGivingUp   Aug-11-07 09:16 AM   #120 
  - A Clinton supporter accusing DK of pandering. I'll be giggling the rest of the day.  burythehatchet   Aug-11-07 07:18 AM   #103 
  - Yes, indeed. It is to  DemBones DemBones   Aug-12-07 10:35 AM   #177 
  - hey...i'll let you in on a little's because ALL THE REST OF THEM SUCK!  NotGivingUp   Aug-11-07 09:12 AM   #118 
  - Saved Cleveland almost $200M- Wikipedia  SSpeedracer   Aug-10-07 02:40 PM   #35 
  - What is there to pull up from Kucinich's Mayor of Cleveland days?  penguin7   Aug-10-07 06:32 PM   #49 
  - most analysis say Kucinich was ahead of his time  SSpeedracer   Aug-11-07 12:06 AM   #72 
  - He didn't do anything wrong when he was mayor of Cleveland  arikara   Aug-11-07 01:02 AM   #78 
  - I fear DK ... but ...  The Traveler   Aug-10-07 11:43 AM   #8 
  - DK has my money and my vote  ayeshahaqqiqa   Aug-10-07 11:47 AM   #10 
  - Well said, very well put ...  govegan   Aug-10-07 11:54 AM   #12 
  - Kucinich Would Be A Bad President  iamjoy   Aug-10-07 11:55 AM   #13 
  - I thought/think the same. But he does have a track record.  Gregorian   Aug-10-07 12:13 PM   #18 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-10-07 02:49 PM   #36 
  - There Is A Middle Ground Here, You Know  iamjoy   Aug-10-07 08:29 PM   #51 
     - Dont Ask Dont Tell is not Universal Healthcare, you are passive  SSpeedracer   Aug-11-07 12:02 AM   #71 
     - Big surprise there  aundria75   Aug-11-07 09:04 AM   #116 
     - Not for long...  kenfrequed   Aug-11-07 10:33 AM   #134 
     - If you don't vote for the Kucinich health care bill in the primaries,  penguin7   Aug-11-07 09:30 PM   #172 
  - I am willing to give him (and us) that chance.  Vincardog   Aug-10-07 03:07 PM   #41 
  - Maybe, just maybe, with a real democrat at the head of the party  NCevilDUer   Aug-10-07 11:32 PM   #61 
  - That's total Bull. There's a democratic congress also. Corporaste interests do not run Congress  bjobotts   Aug-10-07 11:42 PM   #65 
  - Integrity = Kucinich! I will forever remember his courage!  1776Forever   Aug-10-07 11:59 AM   #14 
  - Give lots and lots of money to DK  BigDDem   Aug-10-07 02:09 PM   #25 
  - "I'd rather vote for what I want and not get it, than vote for what I don't  BornagainDUer   Aug-10-07 02:19 PM   #27 
  - I think alot of 2000 Nader voters said that...  BigDDem   Aug-10-07 02:32 PM   #33 
  - I hate to say it but there isn't much difference between them.  BornagainDUer   Aug-10-07 03:22 PM   #43 
  - except we're talking PRIMARY duh  SSpeedracer   Aug-10-07 03:29 PM   #45 
  - So you're saying settle for yet another DINO  Ken Burch   Aug-11-07 04:32 AM   #99 
  - I'm with you. I'm not throwing my vote away on any war-mongering asshole! n/t  NotGivingUp   Aug-11-07 09:15 AM   #119 
  - THis time I"m making the Kucinich Stand  peacetheonlyway   Aug-10-07 02:21 PM   #28 
  - I've never feared it.  LWolf   Aug-10-07 02:30 PM   #31 
  - I've never feared it cause - it ain't gonna happen  zazzle   Aug-10-07 11:00 PM   #54 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-10-07 11:53 PM   #67 
     - It's quite possible  MonkeyFunk   Aug-11-07 02:03 AM   #92 
     - A revolution will happen. That's inevitable.  LWolf   Aug-12-07 10:59 AM   #179 
  - Just for laughs, Ill go ahead and ask...  BigDDem   Aug-10-07 02:35 PM   #34 
  - Did you even SKIM the damn OP?  Phredicles   Aug-10-07 02:51 PM   #37 
  - the other 98% ....  SSpeedracer   Aug-10-07 02:56 PM   #38 
  - I think I'll go to the track and bet on a horse I know  BigDDem   Aug-10-07 03:03 PM   #39 
     - I think I'll go to highschool and vote for the football Quarterback  SSpeedracer   Aug-10-07 03:27 PM   #44 
        - In 2006 - Kucinich promised his constituents he wouldn't run for prez again - Oops!  zazzle   Aug-10-07 11:02 PM   #55 
           - last week i promised i would do that again  onewholaughsatfools   Aug-10-07 11:57 PM   #68 
           - Wellstone made a promise too  kenfrequed   Aug-11-07 10:36 AM   #135 
  - Maybe you didn't notice those union guys booing Hillary  NCevilDUer   Aug-10-07 11:38 PM   #64 
  - Hold that thought and put it into action in the Primaries. They are our votes not the CCM's.  Vincardog   Aug-10-07 03:06 PM   #40 
  - Kucinich's proposals are NOT realistic  zazzle   Aug-10-07 10:12 PM   #52 
  - You support what you want to happen...  rucky   Aug-10-07 11:08 PM   #56 
  - Sure and war w/ Iraq w/Iran wiretap torture NOT realisitic either  SSpeedracer   Aug-11-07 12:23 AM   #75 
  - Kucinich is the ONLY threat to the corporatists.  DemBones DemBones   Aug-11-07 01:30 AM   #86 
  - A Loyal American  Labdad95   Aug-11-07 03:42 AM   #97 
  - If Medicare is expanded to make all Americans eligible and is allowed to compete  greyhound1966   Aug-11-07 07:04 AM   #102 
  - Welcome aboard the Kucinich Express!!!  Roland99   Aug-10-07 11:13 PM   #57 
  - He is at 2% because the media is ignoring him.  blackops   Aug-10-07 11:25 PM   #59 
  - Not just ignoring him but saying he's "unelectable"! Notice how  DemBones DemBones   Aug-11-07 01:35 AM   #87 
  - If there were levels of recommending this post would get the top one. n/t  5X   Aug-10-07 11:33 PM   #62 
  - I applaud you  onewholaughsatfools   Aug-10-07 11:50 PM   #66 
  - Change that to "as long as Gore is a no show"  Holland   Aug-11-07 12:15 AM   #74 
  - go for Kucinich if that is who you like best. He has some great ideas.  illinoisprogressive   Aug-10-07 11:58 PM   #69 
  - Please answer this  SSpeedracer   Aug-11-07 12:34 AM   #76 
     - I'm surprised. Dennis is wrong on NCLB.  NCevilDUer   Aug-11-07 12:52 AM   #77 
     - can you elaborate? nt  tomp   Aug-11-07 02:25 PM   #154 
     - here you go  tomp   Aug-11-07 10:04 AM   #127 
        - I just took it. The numbers are all wrong for the republicans. n/t  NotGivingUp   Aug-11-07 11:17 AM   #143 
  - The media and the party, sad to say, want us to think Kucinich is  DemBones DemBones   Aug-11-07 01:03 AM   #79 
  - once a long time ago...there were Democrats who represented the people of this nation  bleedingheart   Aug-11-07 01:30 AM   #85 
  - Know what my folks told me about Truman in 1948?  Perragrande   Aug-11-07 01:49 AM   #88 
  - he's the only Democrat in the race  leftofthedial   Aug-11-07 01:52 AM   #89 
  - He tried to ban handguns after VTech. Political suicide, and 4 more years of Republicans.nm  AJ9000   Aug-11-07 01:59 AM   #90 
  - OMG, he wanted to do the right thing instead of playing politics!!!  DutchLiberal   Aug-11-07 10:31 AM   #133 
  - I'm in for Kucinich  bonito   Aug-11-07 02:00 AM   #91 
  - I am, wholeheartedly, at your side in full agreement. I voted for Dean last primary because he was  poverlay   Aug-11-07 02:25 AM   #93 
  - Eloquent & recommended.  Vidar   Aug-11-07 02:58 AM   #94 
  - DK wont get elected cuz he's flakey? Whadya call Bush? his pic'a in the dictionary next to "flakey"  BigBearJohn   Aug-11-07 03:28 AM   #96 
  - Much as I wish I could take credit I can't  n2doc   Aug-11-07 07:32 AM   #105 
  - You're absolutely right.  DUlover2909   Aug-11-07 05:11 AM   #101 
  - Gore.  smoogatz   Aug-11-07 08:10 AM   #107 
  - Dennis is the buzz with my small progressive circle  SutaUvaca   Aug-11-07 08:17 AM   #108 
  - My heart votes for Kucinich. My head votes for  Phoebe Loosinhouse   Aug-11-07 08:19 AM   #110 
  - Both our values and candidate preferences appear to be identical.  Seabiscuit   Aug-11-07 12:03 PM   #148 
     - Great! May our sub-species prosper!!!! nt.  Phoebe Loosinhouse   Aug-11-07 06:17 PM   #162 
  - my thoughts exactly n/t  28erl   Aug-11-07 08:34 AM   #111 
  - I voted for him in the 2004 primary  GreenEyedLefty   Aug-11-07 08:47 AM   #112 
  - Thank you! Please, spread the word and tell the people you were talking about, they should vote for  DutchLiberal   Aug-11-07 08:49 AM   #113 
  - Recommended  MisterHowdy   Aug-11-07 08:52 AM   #114 
  - k & r !!! Dennis is the best candidate BY FAR!!! n/t  NotGivingUp   Aug-11-07 09:10 AM   #117 
  - those who REALLY wants to help the Kucinich campaign...NOW IS THE TIME TO DONATE!!  Douglas Carpenter   Aug-11-07 09:36 AM   #122 
  - Just stopped in to K & R! nm  8643   Aug-11-07 09:38 AM   #124 
  - kucinich is the ONLY dem candidate I will support, period....  mike_c   Aug-11-07 09:55 AM   #126 
  - Kucinich is my #1 pick. He shares most of my ideals.  Beelzebud   Aug-11-07 10:41 AM   #137 
  - K&R for Dennis Kucinich!!  Desertrose   Aug-11-07 11:05 AM   #140 
  - nice toon  mdmc   Aug-11-07 11:06 AM   #141 
  - Viva la Kucinich Revolution  Mrspeeker   Aug-11-07 11:10 AM   #142 
  - Is this a "vanity" question . . . ? Can we accept and defend a leader who looks like Kucinich?  defendandprotect   Aug-11-07 11:18 AM   #144 
  - If you want "ugly", just take a gander at Fred Thompson.  Seabiscuit   Aug-11-07 11:38 AM   #145 
  - Yeah, but Thompson is tall and ugly -- !!!! America votes for TALLL -- !!!!  defendandprotect   Aug-11-07 01:01 PM   #151 
  - We elected this guy as our prime-minister three times:  DutchLiberal   Aug-11-07 02:22 PM   #153 
  - Re: Is this a "vanity" question . . . ? Can we accept and defend a leader who looks like Kucinich?  ChipperbackDemocrat   Aug-11-07 06:01 PM   #159 
  - I used to think Edwards would make a good President. Now I think he'd be a good V.P. to DK.  Seabiscuit   Aug-11-07 11:49 AM   #147 
  - I'd lov to vote for Kucinch but I can't  Prophet 451   Aug-11-07 12:06 PM   #150 
  - I supported Kucinich in 2004 and I am supporting him again!  IndianaGreen   Aug-11-07 06:06 PM   #161 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-11-07 06:24 PM   #163 
  - WTF  Holloween   Aug-11-07 09:23 PM   #171 
  - Kucinich would be crushed in the general.  AtomicKitten   Aug-11-07 07:00 PM   #165 
     - I think Kucinich is the strongest candidate in the general,  penguin7   Aug-11-07 09:17 PM   #169 
        - I wish it were so, I really do.  AtomicKitten   Aug-11-07 09:21 PM   #170 
           - That's half of those who've voted most frequently  Ken Burch   Aug-12-07 06:12 PM   #185 

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