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Scriptor Ignotus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 03:08 PM
Response to Reply #38
40. respectfully, sir, you are incorrect
Pakistan IS a battlefield, whether we want it to be or not. We've also been operating in coordination with Pakistan since 2002 INSIDE THEIR "SOVEREIGN" BORDERS. So half of your argument is rendered meaningless right there. We've already been there. We're already there. In your terms, WE'VE ALREADY INVADED. Maybe it's not being broadcast on the nightly news, but it's true.

http://www.cfr.org/publication/9514/#5
Have U.S. personnel operated in Pakistan?

Yes. U.S. soldiers have joined Pakistani troops on raids in the tribal border regions, and the FBI is contributing information and agents to the pursuit of al-Qaeda holdouts. U.S. officials say they need Americans on the ground because the Pakistani military is not doing enough on its own, and Pakistan-watchers say the government remains reluctant to pursue terrorists at home because it fears an internal political backlash. Moreover, Pakistan has not wanted to launch large-scale military operations against al-Qaeda while many of its troops have been amassed along the Indian border due to tensions over Kashmir, a festering conflict that has flared up several times since India and Pakistan gained independence.

also see page 21 at this link.
http://www.fas.org/man/crs/RL31624.pdf

Obviously, this is a sensitive issue. No one denies that. But the foundation of your argument is factually incorrect. If you don't like how he said that, that's another thing. But that's semantics and we're talking substance.

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  -Obama: I never called for invasion of Pakistan or Afghanistan Ethelk2044  Aug-07-07 07:25 AM   #0 
  - Excellent. I KNEW this was what he meant, and I'm glad he is  beachmom   Aug-07-07 07:30 AM   #1 
  - Most Clinton supporters trying to Smear as always  Ethelk2044   Aug-07-07 07:31 AM   #2 
     - Actually, in this case, it would be an imcomplete report to only  beachmom   Aug-07-07 07:40 AM   #5 
  - But the media is telling the sheep a different story  liberal N proud   Aug-07-07 07:38 AM   #3 
  - You might want to cross-post this in the Debunker  dist22dem   Aug-07-07 07:40 AM   #4 
  - Where did Hillary say he called for an invasion?  Onlooker   Aug-07-07 07:52 AM   #6 
  - Who said Clinton said this?  ellacott   Aug-07-07 07:56 AM   #7 
  - Do you have a link?  Onlooker   Aug-07-07 08:00 AM   #8 
     - a link?  Scriptor Ignotus   Aug-07-07 11:50 AM   #32 
  - Hillary Clinton agreed with Obama's statements on Musharaff  zulchzulu   Aug-07-07 08:22 AM   #11 
  - I never said Hillary said it. Read my post again. I said Hillary Supporters  Ethelk2044   Aug-07-07 08:28 AM   #14 
  - The way the press twisted his speech around to promote hillary was shameless  illinoisprogressive   Aug-07-07 08:15 AM   #9 
  - K&R for the truth n/t  zulchzulu   Aug-07-07 08:19 AM   #10 
  - Read Obama's complete speech.  Jim__   Aug-07-07 08:23 AM   #12 
  - Try to spin as you wish. He never said that. People like you try to spin it that way, but he never  Ethelk2044   Aug-07-07 08:27 AM   #13 
     - Just look at Pakistan's reaction.  Jim__   Aug-07-07 08:36 AM   #15 
     - He did not inflame it. It was the MSM and people like you taking his words  Ethelk2044   Aug-07-07 08:46 AM   #17 
     - Pakistan is a highly anti-American country. They'll use any  beachmom   Aug-07-07 08:48 AM   #19 
     - didn't he say troops on the ground in pakistan?  venable   Aug-07-07 08:37 AM   #16 
     - Read what he was saying below. It does not say to attack Pakistan. It clearly states  Ethelk2044   Aug-07-07 08:48 AM   #18 
     - He said he'll get onto the right battlefield in Pakistan.  Jim__   Aug-07-07 09:15 AM   #22 
        - Agreed.  closeupready   Aug-07-07 09:56 AM   #24 
        - The terrorists are inside the Pakistani border  killbotfactory   Aug-07-07 02:35 PM   #39 
     - Never said it?! It's a QUOTE!  PurityOfEssence   Aug-07-07 10:42 AM   #30 
        - if it's a QUOTE then post the QUOTE  Scriptor Ignotus   Aug-07-07 12:11 PM   #35 
           - ...getting out of Iraq and on to the right battlefield in Afghanistan and Pakistan.  PurityOfEssence   Aug-07-07 02:24 PM   #38 
              - respectfully, sir, you are incorrect  Scriptor Ignotus   Aug-07-07 03:08 PM   #40 
                 - I still disagree  PurityOfEssence   Aug-07-07 08:43 PM   #44 
                    - sometimes i'm not so civil  Scriptor Ignotus   Aug-07-07 11:03 PM   #46 
                       - They're definitely odd bedfellows, alright  PurityOfEssence   Aug-08-07 10:59 AM   #50 
  - Methinks the Obama-bashing Hillaryites need to apologize for there smearing.  Odin2005   Aug-07-07 08:58 AM   #20 
  - I do not Think they are Big enough to admit when they were wrong. It takes a strong person to do  Ethelk2044   Aug-07-07 09:08 AM   #21 
  - Oh really. In another thread you just blab out  durrrty libby   Aug-07-07 10:41 AM   #29 
  - I think the mods need to apologize  sandnsea   Aug-07-07 12:06 PM   #34 
  - No apologies from me.  closeupready   Aug-07-07 09:54 AM   #23 
  - Oh - boy ~  pirhana   Aug-07-07 10:09 AM   #25 
     - No, he's not. His speech never said he wants to "invade Pakistan"  beachmom   Aug-07-07 10:16 AM   #26 
        - Beachmom - I really don't know how else to interpret this:  pirhana   Aug-07-07 10:32 AM   #28 
           - "actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets"  Inuca   Aug-07-07 11:56 AM   #33 
  - General Clark was none too pleased with Mr Obama  durrrty libby   Aug-07-07 10:22 AM   #27 
  - Clark did not address this issue - invasion of Pakistan  WesDem   Aug-07-07 12:25 PM   #36 
  - So I guess Clark is none too pleased with Clinton or Edwards either  zulchzulu   Aug-07-07 03:35 PM   #42 
  - Wait until tonight's debate. Gonna be a hot time in the ol' town tonight.  Major Hogwash   Aug-07-07 11:40 AM   #31 
  - An unwanted military entry onto sovereign territory is an invasion  draft_mario_cuomo   Aug-07-07 01:21 PM   #37 
  - you mean like the USA entering Iraq? Oh wait, that was for regime change and a war crime  cryingshame   Aug-07-07 03:24 PM   #41 
  - The coverup by Obama is on.  robcon   Aug-07-07 06:42 PM   #43 
     - He did neither he has been misquoted...  truebrit71   Aug-07-07 08:46 PM   #45 
     - He should have said that today at the debate...  Bullet1987   Aug-07-07 11:23 PM   #47 
        - He did.  truebrit71   Aug-08-07 08:50 AM   #48 
     - I hate how he never backs down when he is wrong and digs himself deeper.  beastieboy   Aug-08-07 10:51 AM   #49 
 

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