Milo_Bloom
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Wed Jul-25-07 09:39 PM
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I think congress is WAY overpaid for a poorly done job.
I WISH someone in power would propose merit pay at that level, because it is NECESSARY.
People should vote on an individual, a platform and a pay structure, and they only get paid based on what they accomplish.
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| -DLC Supports Teacher Merit Pay |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Jul-25-07 03:29 PM |
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Asskissing 101 |
mitchtv |
Jul-25-07 03:31 PM |
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Mitt Romney and Richard Nixon support merit pay |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Jul-25-07 03:32 PM |
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* Aims to Expand System of Merit Pay |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Jul-25-07 03:35 PM |
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let's tie public defender pay to the number of cases won. |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 03:35 PM |
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How about merit pay for senators? |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Jul-25-07 03:38 PM |
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excellent idea. |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 03:42 PM |
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Psychologists should be paid for the number of happy patients |
proud2Blib |
Jul-25-07 08:18 PM |
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GOP legislature scraps Jeb Bush's merit pay in education program |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Jul-25-07 03:36 PM |
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The DLC? In that case I have to rule out the three front-runners... |
Alexander |
Jul-25-07 03:38 PM |
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ah, but we've been reminded all these years |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 03:43 PM |
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I do. His words don't match his actions. |
Alexander |
Jul-26-07 01:10 AM |
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So? |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 03:50 PM |
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if I'm parsing your (oddly phrased) question correctly, |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 04:13 PM |
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All the time. |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 05:16 PM |
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no, not really. |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 05:23 PM |
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So you like bitter partisanship, eh? |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 05:25 PM |
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I'm quite partisan. |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 05:29 PM |
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Its all about listening. |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 05:34 PM |
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again, no. |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 05:39 PM |
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Completely irrelevant |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 05:41 PM |
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no, it's been shown. |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 05:43 PM |
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Hardly. |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 05:44 PM |
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you're not reading, then. |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 05:49 PM |
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Sure I am. I have seen some opinions... |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 05:51 PM |
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take the DLC out of it then. |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 05:57 PM |
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Why? |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 05:58 PM |
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easy. |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 06:05 PM |
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Nice assumption... but therein lies the problem. |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 06:12 PM |
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ok, so let's talk about reducing truancy. |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 06:17 PM |
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And herein lies the problem... |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 06:23 PM |
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this is really revealing. thank you. |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 06:35 PM |
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Get over yourself... |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 06:44 PM |
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I don't need to get over anything, thanks. |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 06:52 PM |
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Uh huh |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 07:01 PM |
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ok, then. |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 07:18 PM |
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.... |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 07:26 PM |
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LOL |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 07:32 PM |
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... |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 07:37 PM |
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guess you have nothing to add. |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 07:42 PM |
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Ask a new question.... |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 07:44 PM |
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ok. how will merit pay increase student learning? |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 07:48 PM |
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Simple |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 07:59 PM |
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... |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 08:07 PM |
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Hardly a mistake... |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 08:15 PM |
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ok...some teachers are unmotivated |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 08:24 PM |
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No, not even close |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 08:27 PM |
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so, under your plan, |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 08:34 PM |
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As said before... Depends on facts and circumstances |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 08:40 PM |
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it always does for you. |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 08:41 PM |
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As it does for EVERYONE, EVERYWHERE. |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 08:42 PM |
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yet not all use it as an all-inclusive escape route. |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 08:44 PM |
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Not an escape route... reality. |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 08:44 PM |
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what reality? |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 08:46 PM |
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That many answers depend on specific facts and cirumstances. |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 08:47 PM |
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ok - what specific facts and circumstances? |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 08:49 PM |
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Community, students, area... |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 08:54 PM |
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Does the possibility of merit pay "motivate" you, Uly? |
LWolf |
Jul-25-07 08:34 PM |
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of course it doesn't. |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 08:38 PM |
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Yes. At least on the billboards closest to school buildings. |
LWolf |
Jul-25-07 08:42 PM |
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Yet, there are some. |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 08:42 PM |
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I'll believe that when an actual teacher tells me so. |
LWolf |
Jul-25-07 08:44 PM |
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Cool. Be honest. |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 08:45 PM |
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Of course. n/t |
LWolf |
Jul-25-07 08:50 PM |
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Ulysses and I are both special ed teachers |
proud2Blib |
Jul-25-07 08:39 PM |
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of course, |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 08:42 PM |
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Yes since they are not already left behind |
proud2Blib |
Jul-25-07 08:44 PM |
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When you tie teacher pay to attendance, you are making it our fault |
proud2Blib |
Jul-25-07 08:33 PM |
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(shock and surprise) what you ask |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 08:40 PM |
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The money can be found in merit pay! |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 08:44 PM |
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and that's the hilarious part. |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 08:46 PM |
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Wrong. |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 08:47 PM |
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so what's the correct interpretation? |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 08:49 PM |
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Do I have to say everything twice and 3 times?? |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 08:50 PM |
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what would be an appropriate reward structure in my old zone? |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 08:52 PM |
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That would be YOUR JOB and the job of your PEERS. |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 08:56 PM |
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that's some prime chickenshit. |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 09:08 PM |
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BS. |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 09:14 PM |
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right, because "get results or else we dock your pay" |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 09:20 PM |
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Wrong again... |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 09:27 PM |
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I'd love to get your thoughts on this thread. |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 09:35 PM |
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100% Fair |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 09:39 PM |
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Ideas are great, aren't they? |
LWolf |
Jul-25-07 10:03 PM |
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If you pay the teachers, there won't be much left for the programs I suggested |
proud2Blib |
Jul-25-07 08:46 PM |
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Yes, I do. |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 08:49 PM |
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and you *still* don't have the first fucking clue about special ed kids. |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 08:50 PM |
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There is the phony indignation again... |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 08:52 PM |
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I know you don't |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 08:55 PM |
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Wrong again... |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 08:57 PM |
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you're copping out. |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 09:05 PM |
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No, YOU control your finances. |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 09:12 PM |
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no, what you're pitching |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 09:19 PM |
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That's sad. |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 09:26 PM |
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it is sad |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 09:33 PM |
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What is sad is that you don't believe you don't have control. |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 09:37 PM |
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how should I exercise that control? |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 09:38 PM |
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All the ways I have outlined... |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 09:46 PM |
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where I grew up, |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 09:49 PM |
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And where i grew up... |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 09:54 PM |
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well hell, what was I thinking? |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 09:58 PM |
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Yeah, just roll over and take it... |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 10:03 PM |
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can I get a reach-around? |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 10:05 PM |
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Like I said... just give up. |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 10:17 PM |
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LOL! |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 10:21 PM |
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Sure I do... You have no control. |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 10:22 PM |
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no, I recognize the limits of what I do control. |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 10:27 PM |
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Like I said... just give up. |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 10:29 PM |
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odd that you're so interested in having me give up. |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 10:40 PM |
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Because you have no control... why try if you have no control? |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 10:41 PM |
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because I have little control over student attendance, |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 10:43 PM |
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Yep, why try if you have no control? Just give up. |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 10:45 PM |
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you remind me of some of my reading kids. |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 10:46 PM |
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mesg_id=3403234 |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 10:50 PM |
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that's interesting. |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 10:59 PM |
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Why would you want to tie the noose by trying? |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 11:05 PM |
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when all else fails, be silly? |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 11:06 PM |
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Like I said... just give up. |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 11:09 PM |
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and amazingly enough, |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 11:12 PM |
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Oh, you think I am talking about this? |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 11:15 PM |
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the discussion was about merit pay, |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 11:22 PM |
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LOL |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 11:49 PM |
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you've never been in the classroom, evidently. |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 11:51 PM |
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Don't need to be to watch you give on yourself... |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-26-07 01:11 AM |
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Wonder what his cure for diabetes is |
eridani |
Jul-26-07 04:11 AM |
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And I suppose you believe we have never tried that before? |
proud2Blib |
Jul-25-07 08:59 PM |
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Not on a national level you haven't. |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 09:01 PM |
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We have a national system in place now |
proud2Blib |
Jul-25-07 09:56 PM |
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The problem with NCLB is the control factor |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 10:16 PM |
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Then it isn't a national system |
proud2Blib |
Jul-25-07 10:23 PM |
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Why not? |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 10:31 PM |
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LOL No you don't understand how education works |
proud2Blib |
Jul-25-07 10:55 PM |
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Teensy? LOL. |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-26-07 01:12 AM |
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Yes teensy |
proud2Blib |
Jul-26-07 07:15 AM |
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No. |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-26-07 12:36 PM |
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Maybe not but WE have in the UK.... |
LeftishBrit |
Jul-26-07 05:16 AM |
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Fuck anyone that supports the merit pay scam. |
LostInAnomie |
Jul-25-07 04:10 PM |
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Even if the unions and teachers support it? |
maximusveritas |
Jul-25-07 07:53 PM |
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"To read this archive article, upgrade to TimesSelect or purchase as a single article." |
proud2Blib |
Jul-25-07 08:36 PM |
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Sorry, here's a better link |
maximusveritas |
Jul-25-07 09:04 PM |
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Thanks for the better link |
proud2Blib |
Jul-25-07 09:52 PM |
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That is not the case. |
LostInAnomie |
Jul-25-07 10:00 PM |
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One of many good reasons to eschew the fucking DLC. n/t |
LWolf |
Jul-25-07 04:12 PM |
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I'll second that |
proud2Blib |
Jul-25-07 08:41 PM |
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I support DLC merit pay. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Jul-25-07 05:52 PM |
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Michael Bloomberg spoke at the National Urban |
ikojo |
Jul-25-07 05:53 PM |
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One more reason to hate the DLC |
proud2Blib |
Jul-25-07 08:43 PM |
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LOL @ "center-left counterparts in Europe" |
Progressive Friend |
Jul-26-07 12:28 AM |
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Your analysis is pretty spot on... |
Hippo_Tron |
Jul-26-07 04:28 AM |
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Merit pay and related concepts are generally bad for education! |
LeftishBrit |
Jul-26-07 05:10 AM |
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Good post. I agree, and thanks for providing some historical background! nt |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Jul-26-07 01:38 PM |
#148 |
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