Milo_Bloom
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Wed Jul-25-07 08:54 PM
Response to Reply #78 |
| 84. Community, students, area... |
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Different children and different areas have different needs.
You can't have a one size fits all merit pay program, they have to be developed at the local level, because the needs of Beverly Hills CA are way different than the needs of North Richland Hills TX as are different than the needs of Macon GA.
The needs of AP students are different than the needs of special ed kids, which are different than the needs of gang risk children, etc..
Each area has special needs and should be able to develop their own programs to deal with those needs.
THAT is facts and circumstances.
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| -DLC Supports Teacher Merit Pay |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Jul-25-07 03:29 PM |
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Asskissing 101 |
mitchtv |
Jul-25-07 03:31 PM |
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Mitt Romney and Richard Nixon support merit pay |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Jul-25-07 03:32 PM |
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* Aims to Expand System of Merit Pay |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Jul-25-07 03:35 PM |
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let's tie public defender pay to the number of cases won. |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 03:35 PM |
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How about merit pay for senators? |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Jul-25-07 03:38 PM |
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excellent idea. |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 03:42 PM |
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Psychologists should be paid for the number of happy patients |
proud2Blib |
Jul-25-07 08:18 PM |
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GOP legislature scraps Jeb Bush's merit pay in education program |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Jul-25-07 03:36 PM |
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The DLC? In that case I have to rule out the three front-runners... |
Alexander |
Jul-25-07 03:38 PM |
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ah, but we've been reminded all these years |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 03:43 PM |
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I do. His words don't match his actions. |
Alexander |
Jul-26-07 01:10 AM |
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So? |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 03:50 PM |
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if I'm parsing your (oddly phrased) question correctly, |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 04:13 PM |
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All the time. |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 05:16 PM |
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no, not really. |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 05:23 PM |
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So you like bitter partisanship, eh? |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 05:25 PM |
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I'm quite partisan. |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 05:29 PM |
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Its all about listening. |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 05:34 PM |
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again, no. |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 05:39 PM |
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Completely irrelevant |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 05:41 PM |
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no, it's been shown. |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 05:43 PM |
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Hardly. |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 05:44 PM |
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you're not reading, then. |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 05:49 PM |
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Sure I am. I have seen some opinions... |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 05:51 PM |
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take the DLC out of it then. |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 05:57 PM |
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Why? |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 05:58 PM |
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easy. |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 06:05 PM |
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Nice assumption... but therein lies the problem. |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 06:12 PM |
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ok, so let's talk about reducing truancy. |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 06:17 PM |
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And herein lies the problem... |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 06:23 PM |
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this is really revealing. thank you. |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 06:35 PM |
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Get over yourself... |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 06:44 PM |
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I don't need to get over anything, thanks. |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 06:52 PM |
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Uh huh |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 07:01 PM |
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ok, then. |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 07:18 PM |
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.... |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 07:26 PM |
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LOL |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 07:32 PM |
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... |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 07:37 PM |
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guess you have nothing to add. |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 07:42 PM |
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Ask a new question.... |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 07:44 PM |
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ok. how will merit pay increase student learning? |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 07:48 PM |
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Simple |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 07:59 PM |
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... |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 08:07 PM |
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Hardly a mistake... |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 08:15 PM |
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ok...some teachers are unmotivated |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 08:24 PM |
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No, not even close |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 08:27 PM |
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so, under your plan, |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 08:34 PM |
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As said before... Depends on facts and circumstances |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 08:40 PM |
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it always does for you. |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 08:41 PM |
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As it does for EVERYONE, EVERYWHERE. |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 08:42 PM |
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yet not all use it as an all-inclusive escape route. |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 08:44 PM |
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Not an escape route... reality. |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 08:44 PM |
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what reality? |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 08:46 PM |
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That many answers depend on specific facts and cirumstances. |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 08:47 PM |
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ok - what specific facts and circumstances? |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 08:49 PM |
#78 |
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Community, students, area... |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 08:54 PM |
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Does the possibility of merit pay "motivate" you, Uly? |
LWolf |
Jul-25-07 08:34 PM |
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of course it doesn't. |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 08:38 PM |
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Yes. At least on the billboards closest to school buildings. |
LWolf |
Jul-25-07 08:42 PM |
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Yet, there are some. |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 08:42 PM |
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I'll believe that when an actual teacher tells me so. |
LWolf |
Jul-25-07 08:44 PM |
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Cool. Be honest. |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 08:45 PM |
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Of course. n/t |
LWolf |
Jul-25-07 08:50 PM |
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Ulysses and I are both special ed teachers |
proud2Blib |
Jul-25-07 08:39 PM |
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of course, |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 08:42 PM |
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Yes since they are not already left behind |
proud2Blib |
Jul-25-07 08:44 PM |
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When you tie teacher pay to attendance, you are making it our fault |
proud2Blib |
Jul-25-07 08:33 PM |
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(shock and surprise) what you ask |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 08:40 PM |
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The money can be found in merit pay! |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 08:44 PM |
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and that's the hilarious part. |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 08:46 PM |
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Wrong. |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 08:47 PM |
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so what's the correct interpretation? |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 08:49 PM |
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Do I have to say everything twice and 3 times?? |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 08:50 PM |
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what would be an appropriate reward structure in my old zone? |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 08:52 PM |
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That would be YOUR JOB and the job of your PEERS. |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 08:56 PM |
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that's some prime chickenshit. |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 09:08 PM |
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BS. |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 09:14 PM |
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right, because "get results or else we dock your pay" |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 09:20 PM |
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Wrong again... |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 09:27 PM |
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I'd love to get your thoughts on this thread. |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 09:35 PM |
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100% Fair |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 09:39 PM |
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Ideas are great, aren't they? |
LWolf |
Jul-25-07 10:03 PM |
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If you pay the teachers, there won't be much left for the programs I suggested |
proud2Blib |
Jul-25-07 08:46 PM |
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Yes, I do. |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 08:49 PM |
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and you *still* don't have the first fucking clue about special ed kids. |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 08:50 PM |
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There is the phony indignation again... |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 08:52 PM |
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I know you don't |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 08:55 PM |
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Wrong again... |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 08:57 PM |
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you're copping out. |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 09:05 PM |
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No, YOU control your finances. |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 09:12 PM |
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no, what you're pitching |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 09:19 PM |
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That's sad. |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 09:26 PM |
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it is sad |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 09:33 PM |
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What is sad is that you don't believe you don't have control. |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 09:37 PM |
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how should I exercise that control? |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 09:38 PM |
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All the ways I have outlined... |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 09:46 PM |
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where I grew up, |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 09:49 PM |
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And where i grew up... |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 09:54 PM |
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well hell, what was I thinking? |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 09:58 PM |
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Yeah, just roll over and take it... |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 10:03 PM |
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can I get a reach-around? |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 10:05 PM |
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Like I said... just give up. |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 10:17 PM |
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LOL! |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 10:21 PM |
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Sure I do... You have no control. |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 10:22 PM |
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no, I recognize the limits of what I do control. |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 10:27 PM |
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Like I said... just give up. |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 10:29 PM |
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odd that you're so interested in having me give up. |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 10:40 PM |
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Because you have no control... why try if you have no control? |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 10:41 PM |
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because I have little control over student attendance, |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 10:43 PM |
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Yep, why try if you have no control? Just give up. |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 10:45 PM |
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you remind me of some of my reading kids. |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 10:46 PM |
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mesg_id=3403234 |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 10:50 PM |
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that's interesting. |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 10:59 PM |
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Why would you want to tie the noose by trying? |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 11:05 PM |
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when all else fails, be silly? |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 11:06 PM |
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Like I said... just give up. |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 11:09 PM |
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and amazingly enough, |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 11:12 PM |
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Oh, you think I am talking about this? |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 11:15 PM |
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the discussion was about merit pay, |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 11:22 PM |
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LOL |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 11:49 PM |
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you've never been in the classroom, evidently. |
ulysses |
Jul-25-07 11:51 PM |
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Don't need to be to watch you give on yourself... |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-26-07 01:11 AM |
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Wonder what his cure for diabetes is |
eridani |
Jul-26-07 04:11 AM |
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And I suppose you believe we have never tried that before? |
proud2Blib |
Jul-25-07 08:59 PM |
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Not on a national level you haven't. |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 09:01 PM |
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We have a national system in place now |
proud2Blib |
Jul-25-07 09:56 PM |
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The problem with NCLB is the control factor |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 10:16 PM |
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Then it isn't a national system |
proud2Blib |
Jul-25-07 10:23 PM |
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Why not? |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-25-07 10:31 PM |
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LOL No you don't understand how education works |
proud2Blib |
Jul-25-07 10:55 PM |
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Teensy? LOL. |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-26-07 01:12 AM |
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Yes teensy |
proud2Blib |
Jul-26-07 07:15 AM |
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No. |
Milo_Bloom |
Jul-26-07 12:36 PM |
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Maybe not but WE have in the UK.... |
LeftishBrit |
Jul-26-07 05:16 AM |
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Fuck anyone that supports the merit pay scam. |
LostInAnomie |
Jul-25-07 04:10 PM |
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Even if the unions and teachers support it? |
maximusveritas |
Jul-25-07 07:53 PM |
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"To read this archive article, upgrade to TimesSelect or purchase as a single article." |
proud2Blib |
Jul-25-07 08:36 PM |
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Sorry, here's a better link |
maximusveritas |
Jul-25-07 09:04 PM |
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Thanks for the better link |
proud2Blib |
Jul-25-07 09:52 PM |
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That is not the case. |
LostInAnomie |
Jul-25-07 10:00 PM |
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One of many good reasons to eschew the fucking DLC. n/t |
LWolf |
Jul-25-07 04:12 PM |
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I'll second that |
proud2Blib |
Jul-25-07 08:41 PM |
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I support DLC merit pay. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Jul-25-07 05:52 PM |
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Michael Bloomberg spoke at the National Urban |
ikojo |
Jul-25-07 05:53 PM |
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One more reason to hate the DLC |
proud2Blib |
Jul-25-07 08:43 PM |
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LOL @ "center-left counterparts in Europe" |
Progressive Friend |
Jul-26-07 12:28 AM |
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Your analysis is pretty spot on... |
Hippo_Tron |
Jul-26-07 04:28 AM |
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Merit pay and related concepts are generally bad for education! |
LeftishBrit |
Jul-26-07 05:10 AM |
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Good post. I agree, and thanks for providing some historical background! nt |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Jul-26-07 01:38 PM |
#148 |
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