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Milo_Bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 08:50 PM
Response to Reply #76
80. Do I have to say everything twice and 3 times??
I never suggested paying them. I mentioned a potential reward structure and then stated that "reward" does not have to be financial.

What would be an appropriate reward structure depends on specific facts and cirumstances in the specific community.

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  -DLC Supports Teacher Merit Pay draft_mario_cuomo  Jul-25-07 03:29 PM   #0 
  - Asskissing 101  mitchtv   Jul-25-07 03:31 PM   #1 
  - Mitt Romney and Richard Nixon support merit pay  draft_mario_cuomo   Jul-25-07 03:32 PM   #2 
  - * Aims to Expand System of Merit Pay  draft_mario_cuomo   Jul-25-07 03:35 PM   #3 
  - let's tie public defender pay to the number of cases won.  ulysses   Jul-25-07 03:35 PM   #4 
  - How about merit pay for senators?  draft_mario_cuomo   Jul-25-07 03:38 PM   #6 
  - excellent idea.  ulysses   Jul-25-07 03:42 PM   #8 
  - Psychologists should be paid for the number of happy patients  proud2Blib   Jul-25-07 08:18 PM   #48 
  - GOP legislature scraps Jeb Bush's merit pay in education program  draft_mario_cuomo   Jul-25-07 03:36 PM   #5 
  - The DLC? In that case I have to rule out the three front-runners...  Alexander   Jul-25-07 03:38 PM   #7 
  - ah, but we've been reminded all these years  ulysses   Jul-25-07 03:43 PM   #9 
     - I do. His words don't match his actions.  Alexander   Jul-26-07 01:10 AM   #139 
  - So?  Milo_Bloom   Jul-25-07 03:50 PM   #10 
  - if I'm parsing your (oddly phrased) question correctly,  ulysses   Jul-25-07 04:13 PM   #13 
     - All the time.  Milo_Bloom   Jul-25-07 05:16 PM   #14 
        - no, not really.  ulysses   Jul-25-07 05:23 PM   #15 
           - So you like bitter partisanship, eh?  Milo_Bloom   Jul-25-07 05:25 PM   #16 
              - I'm quite partisan.  ulysses   Jul-25-07 05:29 PM   #17 
                 - Its all about listening.  Milo_Bloom   Jul-25-07 05:34 PM   #18 
                    - again, no.  ulysses   Jul-25-07 05:39 PM   #19 
                       - Completely irrelevant  Milo_Bloom   Jul-25-07 05:41 PM   #20 
                          - no, it's been shown.  ulysses   Jul-25-07 05:43 PM   #21 
                             - Hardly.  Milo_Bloom   Jul-25-07 05:44 PM   #22 
                                - you're not reading, then.  ulysses   Jul-25-07 05:49 PM   #23 
                                   - Sure I am. I have seen some opinions...  Milo_Bloom   Jul-25-07 05:51 PM   #24 
                                      - take the DLC out of it then.  ulysses   Jul-25-07 05:57 PM   #27 
                                         - Why?  Milo_Bloom   Jul-25-07 05:58 PM   #28 
                                            - easy.  ulysses   Jul-25-07 06:05 PM   #29 
                                               - Nice assumption... but therein lies the problem.  Milo_Bloom   Jul-25-07 06:12 PM   #30 
                                                  - ok, so let's talk about reducing truancy.  ulysses   Jul-25-07 06:17 PM   #31 
                                                     - And herein lies the problem...  Milo_Bloom   Jul-25-07 06:23 PM   #32 
                                                     - this is really revealing. thank you.  ulysses   Jul-25-07 06:35 PM   #33 
                                                     - Get over yourself...  Milo_Bloom   Jul-25-07 06:44 PM   #34 
                                                     - I don't need to get over anything, thanks.  ulysses   Jul-25-07 06:52 PM   #35 
                                                     - Uh huh  Milo_Bloom   Jul-25-07 07:01 PM   #36 
                                                     - ok, then.  ulysses   Jul-25-07 07:18 PM   #37 
                                                     - ....  Milo_Bloom   Jul-25-07 07:26 PM   #38 
                                                     - LOL  ulysses   Jul-25-07 07:32 PM   #39 
                                                     - ...  Milo_Bloom   Jul-25-07 07:37 PM   #40 
                                                     - guess you have nothing to add.  ulysses   Jul-25-07 07:42 PM   #41 
                                                     - Ask a new question....  Milo_Bloom   Jul-25-07 07:44 PM   #42 
                                                     - ok. how will merit pay increase student learning?  ulysses   Jul-25-07 07:48 PM   #43 
                                                     - Simple  Milo_Bloom   Jul-25-07 07:59 PM   #45 
                                                     - ...  ulysses   Jul-25-07 08:07 PM   #46 
                                                     - Hardly a mistake...  Milo_Bloom   Jul-25-07 08:15 PM   #47 
                                                     - ok...some teachers are unmotivated  ulysses   Jul-25-07 08:24 PM   #49 
                                                     - No, not even close  Milo_Bloom   Jul-25-07 08:27 PM   #50 
                                                     - so, under your plan,  ulysses   Jul-25-07 08:34 PM   #53 
                                                     - As said before... Depends on facts and circumstances  Milo_Bloom   Jul-25-07 08:40 PM   #58 
                                                     - it always does for you.  ulysses   Jul-25-07 08:41 PM   #59 
                                                     - As it does for EVERYONE, EVERYWHERE.  Milo_Bloom   Jul-25-07 08:42 PM   #64 
                                                     - yet not all use it as an all-inclusive escape route.  ulysses   Jul-25-07 08:44 PM   # 
                                                     - Not an escape route... reality.  Milo_Bloom   Jul-25-07 08:44 PM   #69 
                                                     - what reality?  ulysses   Jul-25-07 08:46 PM   #73 
                                                     - That many answers depend on specific facts and cirumstances.  Milo_Bloom   Jul-25-07 08:47 PM   #74 
                                                     - ok - what specific facts and circumstances?  ulysses   Jul-25-07 08:49 PM   #78 
                                                     - Community, students, area...  Milo_Bloom   Jul-25-07 08:54 PM   #84 
                                                     - Does the possibility of merit pay "motivate" you, Uly?  LWolf   Jul-25-07 08:34 PM   #52 
                                                     - of course it doesn't.  ulysses   Jul-25-07 08:38 PM   #55 
                                                     - Yes. At least on the billboards closest to school buildings.  LWolf   Jul-25-07 08:42 PM   #62 
                                                     - Yet, there are some.  Milo_Bloom   Jul-25-07 08:42 PM   #61 
                                                     - I'll believe that when an actual teacher tells me so.  LWolf   Jul-25-07 08:44 PM   #66 
                                                     - Cool. Be honest.  Milo_Bloom   Jul-25-07 08:45 PM   #70 
                                                     - Of course. n/t  LWolf   Jul-25-07 08:50 PM   #81 
                                                     - Ulysses and I are both special ed teachers  proud2Blib   Jul-25-07 08:39 PM   #56 
                                                     - of course,  ulysses   Jul-25-07 08:42 PM   #63 
                                                     - Yes since they are not already left behind  proud2Blib   Jul-25-07 08:44 PM   #68 
                                                     - When you tie teacher pay to attendance, you are making it our fault  proud2Blib   Jul-25-07 08:33 PM   #51 
                                                     - (shock and surprise) what you ask  ulysses   Jul-25-07 08:40 PM   #57 
                                                     - The money can be found in merit pay!  Milo_Bloom   Jul-25-07 08:44 PM   #67 
                                                     - and that's the hilarious part.  ulysses   Jul-25-07 08:46 PM   #71 
                                                     - Wrong.  Milo_Bloom   Jul-25-07 08:47 PM   #75 
                                                     - so what's the correct interpretation?  ulysses   Jul-25-07 08:49 PM   #76 
                                                     - Do I have to say everything twice and 3 times??  Milo_Bloom   Jul-25-07 08:50 PM   #80 
                                                     - what would be an appropriate reward structure in my old zone?  ulysses   Jul-25-07 08:52 PM   #83 
                                                     - That would be YOUR JOB and the job of your PEERS.  Milo_Bloom   Jul-25-07 08:56 PM   #86 
                                                     - that's some prime chickenshit.  ulysses   Jul-25-07 09:08 PM   #92 
                                                     - BS.  Milo_Bloom   Jul-25-07 09:14 PM   #94 
                                                     - right, because "get results or else we dock your pay"  ulysses   Jul-25-07 09:20 PM   #96 
                                                     - Wrong again...  Milo_Bloom   Jul-25-07 09:27 PM   #98 
                                                     - I'd love to get your thoughts on this thread.  ulysses   Jul-25-07 09:35 PM   #100 
                                                     - 100% Fair  Milo_Bloom   Jul-25-07 09:39 PM   #103 
                                                     - Ideas are great, aren't they?  LWolf   Jul-25-07 10:03 PM   #111 
                                                     - If you pay the teachers, there won't be much left for the programs I suggested  proud2Blib   Jul-25-07 08:46 PM   #72 
                                                     - Yes, I do.  Milo_Bloom   Jul-25-07 08:49 PM   #77 
                                                     - and you *still* don't have the first fucking clue about special ed kids.  ulysses   Jul-25-07 08:50 PM   #79 
                                                     - There is the phony indignation again...  Milo_Bloom   Jul-25-07 08:52 PM   #82 
                                                     - I know you don't  ulysses   Jul-25-07 08:55 PM   #85 
                                                     - Wrong again...  Milo_Bloom   Jul-25-07 08:57 PM   #87 
                                                     - you're copping out.  ulysses   Jul-25-07 09:05 PM   #91 
                                                     - No, YOU control your finances.  Milo_Bloom   Jul-25-07 09:12 PM   #93 
                                                     - no, what you're pitching  ulysses   Jul-25-07 09:19 PM   #95 
                                                     - That's sad.  Milo_Bloom   Jul-25-07 09:26 PM   #97 
                                                     - it is sad  ulysses   Jul-25-07 09:33 PM   #99 
                                                     - What is sad is that you don't believe you don't have control.  Milo_Bloom   Jul-25-07 09:37 PM   #101 
                                                     - how should I exercise that control?  ulysses   Jul-25-07 09:38 PM   #102 
                                                     - All the ways I have outlined...  Milo_Bloom   Jul-25-07 09:46 PM   #104 
                                                     - where I grew up,  ulysses   Jul-25-07 09:49 PM   #105 
                                                     - And where i grew up...  Milo_Bloom   Jul-25-07 09:54 PM   #107 
                                                     - well hell, what was I thinking?  ulysses   Jul-25-07 09:58 PM   #109 
                                                     - Yeah, just roll over and take it...  Milo_Bloom   Jul-25-07 10:03 PM   #112 
                                                     - can I get a reach-around?  ulysses   Jul-25-07 10:05 PM   #113 
                                                     - Like I said... just give up.  Milo_Bloom   Jul-25-07 10:17 PM   #115 
                                                     - LOL!  ulysses   Jul-25-07 10:21 PM   #116 
                                                     - Sure I do... You have no control.  Milo_Bloom   Jul-25-07 10:22 PM   #117 
                                                     - no, I recognize the limits of what I do control.  ulysses   Jul-25-07 10:27 PM   #119 
                                                     - Like I said... just give up.  Milo_Bloom   Jul-25-07 10:29 PM   #120 
                                                     - odd that you're so interested in having me give up.  ulysses   Jul-25-07 10:40 PM   #122 
                                                     - Because you have no control... why try if you have no control?  Milo_Bloom   Jul-25-07 10:41 PM   #123 
                                                     - because I have little control over student attendance,  ulysses   Jul-25-07 10:43 PM   #124 
                                                     - Yep, why try if you have no control? Just give up.  Milo_Bloom   Jul-25-07 10:45 PM   #125 
                                                     - you remind me of some of my reading kids.  ulysses   Jul-25-07 10:46 PM   #126 
                                                     - mesg_id=3403234  Milo_Bloom   Jul-25-07 10:50 PM   #127 
                                                     - that's interesting.  ulysses   Jul-25-07 10:59 PM   #129 
                                                     - Why would you want to tie the noose by trying?  Milo_Bloom   Jul-25-07 11:05 PM   #130 
                                                     - when all else fails, be silly?  ulysses   Jul-25-07 11:06 PM   #131 
                                                     - Like I said... just give up.  Milo_Bloom   Jul-25-07 11:09 PM   #132 
                                                     - and amazingly enough,  ulysses   Jul-25-07 11:12 PM   #133 
                                                     - Oh, you think I am talking about this?  Milo_Bloom   Jul-25-07 11:15 PM   #134 
                                                     - the discussion was about merit pay,  ulysses   Jul-25-07 11:22 PM   #135 
                                                     - LOL  Milo_Bloom   Jul-25-07 11:49 PM   #136 
                                                     - you've never been in the classroom, evidently.  ulysses   Jul-25-07 11:51 PM   #137 
                                                     - Don't need to be to watch you give on yourself...  Milo_Bloom   Jul-26-07 01:11 AM   #140 
                                                     - Wonder what his cure for diabetes is  eridani   Jul-26-07 04:11 AM   #142 
                                                     - And I suppose you believe we have never tried that before?  proud2Blib   Jul-25-07 08:59 PM   #88 
                                                     - Not on a national level you haven't.  Milo_Bloom   Jul-25-07 09:01 PM   #89 
                                                     - We have a national system in place now  proud2Blib   Jul-25-07 09:56 PM   #108 
                                                     - The problem with NCLB is the control factor  Milo_Bloom   Jul-25-07 10:16 PM   #114 
                                                     - Then it isn't a national system  proud2Blib   Jul-25-07 10:23 PM   #118 
                                                     - Why not?  Milo_Bloom   Jul-25-07 10:31 PM   #121 
                                                     - LOL No you don't understand how education works  proud2Blib   Jul-25-07 10:55 PM   #128 
                                                     - Teensy? LOL.  Milo_Bloom   Jul-26-07 01:12 AM   #141 
                                                     - Yes teensy  proud2Blib   Jul-26-07 07:15 AM   #146 
                                                     - No.  Milo_Bloom   Jul-26-07 12:36 PM   #147 
                                                     - Maybe not but WE have in the UK....  LeftishBrit   Jul-26-07 05:16 AM   #145 
  - Fuck anyone that supports the merit pay scam.  LostInAnomie   Jul-25-07 04:10 PM   #11 
  - Even if the unions and teachers support it?  maximusveritas   Jul-25-07 07:53 PM   #44 
     - "To read this archive article, upgrade to TimesSelect or purchase as a single article."  proud2Blib   Jul-25-07 08:36 PM   #54 
     - Sorry, here's a better link  maximusveritas   Jul-25-07 09:04 PM   #90 
        - Thanks for the better link  proud2Blib   Jul-25-07 09:52 PM   #106 
     - That is not the case.  LostInAnomie   Jul-25-07 10:00 PM   #110 
  - One of many good reasons to eschew the fucking DLC. n/t  LWolf   Jul-25-07 04:12 PM   #12 
  - I'll second that  proud2Blib   Jul-25-07 08:41 PM   #60 
  - I support DLC merit pay.  Bornaginhooligan   Jul-25-07 05:52 PM   #25 
  - Michael Bloomberg spoke at the National Urban  ikojo   Jul-25-07 05:53 PM   #26 
  - One more reason to hate the DLC  proud2Blib   Jul-25-07 08:43 PM   #65 
  - LOL @ "center-left counterparts in Europe"  Progressive Friend   Jul-26-07 12:28 AM   #138 
  - Your analysis is pretty spot on...  Hippo_Tron   Jul-26-07 04:28 AM   #143 
  - Merit pay and related concepts are generally bad for education!  LeftishBrit   Jul-26-07 05:10 AM   #144 
     - Good post. I agree, and thanks for providing some historical background! nt  draft_mario_cuomo   Jul-26-07 01:38 PM   #148 
 

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