welshTerrier2
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Tue Jul-24-07 12:24 PM
Response to Reply #34 |
| 37. you are implying conditionality |
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in your previous post, you discussed dependencies of one step on another (i.e. a sequencing). in this step, you referred to "a certain step" and committing resources. you also referred to: "people and materials, equipment and money, red tape and permits, and time."
the questioner's question has had enough of all that bullshit. she was clearly well beyond being tolerant of "people and materials, equipment and money, red tape and permits, and time." she asked how many more would have to die while Democrats busied themselves with all that garbage. all of the stuff you're talking about, unless I'm misunderstanding your point, is based on conditionality. and that conditionality is based on something other than withdrawing the troops as rapidly as their safety allows. what other conditions are you building into your project plan? what are the contingencies you support?
the timeline the woman asked about was one that started withdrawing today and finished as quickly as troop safety permits.
implicit in your post are all sorts of "reasons" why we can't just leave. in fact, Hillary has stated she would keep some number of troops in Iraq. does your project plan ever actually end? it's not clear Hillary's does. is that how you do your projects? "I can't even estimate how long it will take; we'll see how things go." nice ...
Hillary's real answer to the woman's question, had she been truthful, is that she does not support calling on the Pentagon to give the best possible estimate of how long it will take to withdraw all the troops safely and then demanding they stick to their estimate as closely as possible. instead, she uses lying, wiggle words like STARTING to withdraw SOME troops. That's no plan at all.
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| -Clinton lied in the debate last night |
welshTerrier2 |
Jul-24-07 11:08 AM |
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Amen. |
MLFerrell |
Jul-24-07 11:09 AM |
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So don't vote for her in the primaries. nt |
onehandle |
Jul-24-07 11:10 AM |
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I was not planning too.. |
movonne |
Jul-24-07 11:13 AM |
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Good. |
William769 |
Jul-24-07 11:16 AM |
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For this reason, I think the man who should be President is Kuchinich |
MrMickeysMom |
Jul-24-07 11:13 AM |
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I loved Kuchinich's response to the nut with his "baby"... |
zanne |
Jul-24-07 01:14 PM |
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That was Biden. n/t |
LWolf |
Jul-24-07 01:16 PM |
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Are you sure LWolf? |
zanne |
Jul-24-07 01:17 PM |
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LWolf--You were right, I was wrong. |
zanne |
Jul-24-07 01:46 PM |
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Yes. |
LWolf |
Jul-24-07 03:47 PM |
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And a link to what she said on January 17, 2007? |
William769 |
Jul-24-07 11:14 AM |
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here you go ... |
welshTerrier2 |
Jul-24-07 11:16 AM |
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Thank you. |
William769 |
Jul-24-07 11:16 AM |
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self delete, posted wrong place. |
William769 |
Jul-24-07 11:22 AM |
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i originally had the second part and chose to remove it |
welshTerrier2 |
Jul-24-07 11:28 AM |
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I know your disdain for Hillary. |
William769 |
Jul-24-07 11:30 AM |
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please continue below |
welshTerrier2 |
Jul-24-07 11:32 AM |
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Heres a newsflash for you, people who purposely misquote |
William769 |
Jul-24-07 03:20 PM |
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The NYT magazine's "Hillary's War" showed it was not only not her position |
karynnj |
Jul-24-07 12:47 PM |
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I decided when hillary announced her candidacy that she would |
Faux pas |
Jul-24-07 11:20 AM |
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Hillary Lieberman. (nt) |
Jackpine Radical |
Jul-24-07 11:21 AM |
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Here is the full quote. |
William769 |
Jul-24-07 11:22 AM |
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Now you are |
obnoxiousdrunk |
Jul-24-07 11:27 AM |
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Wait - you mean an anti-Hillary person selectively quoted her to try |
NYC Liberal |
Jul-24-07 11:30 AM |
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she said she opposes timelines |
welshTerrier2 |
Jul-24-07 11:35 AM |
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She did not say she opposes timelines. |
Maribelle |
Jul-24-07 11:40 AM |
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Really? |
NYC Liberal |
Jul-24-07 12:01 PM |
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what do I think of it? |
welshTerrier2 |
Jul-24-07 12:05 PM |
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the Tucker Carlson brand of politics |
Supersedeas |
Jul-24-07 03:58 PM |
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the full quote changes nothing |
welshTerrier2 |
Jul-24-07 11:31 AM |
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It changes who the liar is. |
William769 |
Jul-24-07 03:22 PM |
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I'm sorry, but 'as soon as possible' is a completely meaningless term |
Husb2Sparkly |
Jul-24-07 11:41 AM |
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It has a significant meaning to a professional creating a timeline. |
Maribelle |
Jul-24-07 11:51 AM |
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project management |
welshTerrier2 |
Jul-24-07 12:00 PM |
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I am not talking about benchmarks. |
Maribelle |
Jul-24-07 12:12 PM |
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you are implying conditionality |
welshTerrier2 |
Jul-24-07 12:24 PM |
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It surely would be ideal if we could airlift the troops out overnight. |
Maribelle |
Jul-24-07 12:39 PM |
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Not exactly true |
Husb2Sparkly |
Jul-24-07 12:36 PM |
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How would you know "we expect that will take six to eight months" |
Maribelle |
Jul-24-07 12:43 PM |
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Are you intentionally or naturally obtuse? |
Husb2Sparkly |
Jul-24-07 12:52 PM |
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Obtuse? Of course I knew they were hypothetical. |
Maribelle |
Jul-24-07 01:04 PM |
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Apology accepted |
Husb2Sparkly |
Jul-24-07 01:08 PM |
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The war is over and we're on defense. |
Maribelle |
Jul-24-07 01:13 PM |
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And health care in her second term |
sandnsea |
Jul-24-07 12:46 PM |
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Great doubletalk. |
LWolf |
Jul-24-07 01:18 PM |
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So, because you do not know the difference between a beginning time line and a date certain ... |
Maribelle |
Jul-24-07 11:25 AM |
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Obama lied in the debate last night |
wyldwolf |
Jul-24-07 11:28 AM |
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well, fine ... then there are two liars we should NOT support |
welshTerrier2 |
Jul-24-07 11:37 AM |
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your OP has already been disputed |
wyldwolf |
Jul-24-07 11:44 AM |
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Where? |
Dawgs |
Jul-24-07 12:48 PM |
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in fantasy "hillary isn't a war monger" land |
BrokenBeyondRepair |
Jul-24-07 12:51 PM |
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post 23 |
wyldwolf |
Jul-24-07 12:54 PM |
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Oooh yeah, that's a real doozie...or maybe not so much |
BeyondGeography |
Jul-24-07 01:59 PM |
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A politician lying-- will wonders never cease? n/t |
TreasonousBastard |
Jul-24-07 11:33 AM |
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You're not accurate. |
jobycom |
Jul-24-07 11:36 AM |
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There was no Feingold amendment for withdrawal voted on in 2005 |
karynnj |
Jul-24-07 01:06 PM |
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no? |
wyldwolf |
Jul-24-07 01:49 PM |
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The amendments Hillary voted for in 2005 were the Levin and Warner ones |
karynnj |
Jul-24-07 03:56 PM |
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None of that's what I said. |
jobycom |
Jul-24-07 02:45 PM |
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Two years after he proposed it - She did not vote for it in 2006, when only 13 senators voted for it |
Mass |
Jul-24-07 07:16 PM |
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Did she lie? |
hughee99 |
Jul-24-07 11:42 AM |
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Golly the republicans don't have to bash Hillary her own party is. |
Bitwit1234 |
Jul-24-07 12:02 PM |
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How is this bashing? |
Dawgs |
Jul-24-07 12:49 PM |
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No kidding. Why do Dems get a 'free pass' just because they're NOT Republicans. nt |
mistertrickster |
Jul-25-07 08:47 AM |
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strategy is evolving as do events on the ground |
AtomicKitten |
Jul-24-07 12:13 PM |
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Hillary will never get my vote, no matter what. |
realbluesky |
Jul-24-07 12:20 PM |
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Go ahead be one of those who takes your ball and goes home. |
William769 |
Jul-24-07 03:24 PM |
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They look pretty good to me. |
Dawgs |
Jul-24-07 07:02 PM |
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oh for petey's sake--she did not lie! |
rodeodance |
Jul-24-07 01:10 PM |
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she has been trying to claim she has been against the war for years now. |
illinoisprogressive |
Jul-24-07 03:30 PM |
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Here's her speech before she voted for the IWR |
killbotfactory |
Jul-24-07 07:12 PM |
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Accurate post.... |
EndElectoral |
Jul-24-07 07:11 PM |
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I believe Oprah is a bigger threat to Hillary then Bill is to Obama...! |
Imagevision |
Jul-24-07 10:35 PM |
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AGREE! She should run with Joe Leiberman. It would be almost like |
mistertrickster |
Jul-25-07 08:45 AM |
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Timeline does not equal Deadline |
jmp |
Jul-25-07 08:57 AM |
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