| 117. The official third senario by the Soc Sec actuaries shows the system never goes broke - "everything" |
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on the table is stupid. However raising the retirement age post the year 2030 to age 70 gradually over the next 36 years is a reasonable bargaining chip if it gets us the social security payroll TAX CUT meaning a 2% cut from a payroll tax - meaning the 1.45% for Medicare stays the same, and the employer's 6.2% stays the same, but the employee's 6.2% of wages tax drops to 4.2% of wages in return for the wage cap that protects the rich being removed. As the rich start to get those million dollar social security benefit checks the non-rich can smile and reflect on the fact that the excess payment relative to benefit paid the rich - we call that progressive - is such that all the non-rich got a tax cut! Obama actually sounds a bit scary when he says "everything is on the table" because of his history of getting small bills passed on a "bi-partisan" basis by agreeing to a GOP wish list that does not help the middle income or poor working man in order to get GOP votes.
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| -Am I th only one that is bothered by this Obama statement? Social security |
mitchtv |
Jul-21-07 03:22 PM |
#0 |
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Absolutely. |
silverweb |
Jul-21-07 03:24 PM |
#1 |
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righto |
mitchtv |
Jul-21-07 03:27 PM |
#3 |
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So turning old people into soylent green is on the table? |
bushmeat |
Jul-21-07 03:31 PM |
#9 |
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The dinner table. nt. |
Mr_Jefferson_24 |
Jul-22-07 05:20 AM |
#142 |
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Especially when they don't feel they have to worry about THEIR retirement |
LiberalFighter |
Jul-21-07 03:40 PM |
#18 |
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Let's make sure I understand you: |
silverweb |
Jul-21-07 06:27 PM |
#88 |
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Yep, it does. And everything on the table is an unacceptable Repuke talking point! |
Tellurian |
Jul-21-07 03:30 PM |
#8 |
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Obama is for the elderly. It is just hillarybots trying to make something |
Kingstree |
Jul-21-07 06:02 PM |
#78 |
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It's "for the elderly" to want to raise SS age? Ever tried hard physical work when you're fifty? |
kenzee13 |
Jul-21-07 07:56 PM |
#92 |
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Well said. (n/t) |
area51 |
Jul-23-07 10:34 AM |
#208 |
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Oh, sure. |
Andromeda |
Jul-22-07 04:53 AM |
#141 |
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Obama is for himself. Period. |
TankLV |
Jul-22-07 02:39 PM |
#177 |
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HAH |
MiserableFailure |
Jul-22-07 06:07 PM |
#192 |
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Thats a big Roger |
montanacowboy |
Jul-21-07 03:25 PM |
#2 |
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That's my major problem with him. I really don't have a good sense of |
journalist3072 |
Jul-21-07 03:33 PM |
#10 |
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He's all glitz and no substance |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Jul-21-07 08:42 PM |
#101 |
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Since you found it necessary to make that point, |
ripple |
Jul-22-07 02:05 AM |
#133 |
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bingo |
MiserableFailure |
Jul-22-07 07:00 AM |
#148 |
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See post #155 |
bvar22 |
Jul-22-07 10:47 AM |
#157 |
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Yes, the stereotype of Minnesota being all Scandinavian is way outdated |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Jul-22-07 03:35 PM |
#185 |
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YOU couldn't be further from the truth. |
bvar22 |
Jul-22-07 10:34 AM |
#155 |
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Um, i'm not the one who brought up race |
MiserableFailure |
Jul-22-07 02:03 PM |
#163 |
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Thanks, bvar! |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Jul-22-07 03:29 PM |
#183 |
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Back in 2004, I was told that being against Lieberman's candidacy |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Jul-22-07 03:44 PM |
#186 |
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Oh Lydia, |
MiserableFailure |
Jul-22-07 06:00 PM |
#190 |
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No, I was responding to assertions made many times on other threads |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Jul-22-07 08:29 PM |
#197 |
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Might it be that America is a racist country and the |
pokercat999 |
Jul-22-07 08:29 PM |
#198 |
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there was no need for that |
MiserableFailure |
Jul-22-07 10:06 PM |
#201 |
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Totally agree with there |
journalist3072 |
Jul-22-07 08:51 AM |
#151 |
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The word is audacity |
MiserableFailure |
Jul-22-07 06:02 PM |
#191 |
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you aren't alone |
CountAllVotes |
Jul-21-07 03:51 PM |
#30 |
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Agreed... |
Blue_In_AK |
Jul-21-07 04:08 PM |
#46 |
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Nope. This guy is off my list...between this and his nation building |
Raven |
Jul-21-07 03:27 PM |
#4 |
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Glad to see some are beginning to take another look at |
anitar1 |
Jul-21-07 04:10 PM |
#50 |
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People are living & working longer |
wtmusic |
Jul-21-07 03:27 PM |
#5 |
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Oh, yeah, you should see the job opportunities for seniors! |
juajen |
Jul-22-07 01:40 AM |
#127 |
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Raising the age should be on the table |
DavidD |
Jul-21-07 03:28 PM |
#6 |
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I kind of like that idea -- I interviewed an economist once who said we have to move away from |
eyesroll |
Jul-21-07 03:45 PM |
#24 |
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Five hour work day -- and even four day week -- |
defendandprotect |
Jul-22-07 02:10 PM |
#165 |
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I agree with you. |
JDPriestly |
Jul-21-07 05:29 PM |
#73 |
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I like no wage cap and taxing more than salaries as it would permit a 2% TAX CUT n/t |
papau |
Jul-21-07 11:19 PM |
#124 |
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I don't think most people know that Social Security FICA used to be paid . . . |
defendandprotect |
Jul-22-07 02:12 PM |
#166 |
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Honest question: Why is the retirement age untouchable? |
eyesroll |
Jul-21-07 03:28 PM |
#7 |
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Gore said over and over again he wanted to put SS |
Tellurian |
Jul-21-07 03:34 PM |
#12 |
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That doesn't answer my question. |
eyesroll |
Jul-21-07 03:37 PM |
#16 |
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We must keep SS away from republican hands. |
kokono |
Jul-21-07 04:39 PM |
#63 |
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The age requirement changed a year or two +... |
Tellurian |
Jul-21-07 04:59 PM |
#67 |
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So, you are in favor of social security going BROKE rather than |
dugggy |
Jul-21-07 09:57 PM |
#110 |
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The official third senario by the Soc Sec actuaries shows the system never goes broke - "everything" |
papau |
Jul-21-07 10:48 PM |
#117 |
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Good plan |
ProudDad |
Jul-22-07 01:52 AM |
#131 |
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the concept is an earned benefit because you paid for thegeneration before - if you don't give the |
papau |
Jul-22-07 01:11 PM |
#160 |
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In a real society |
ProudDad |
Jul-22-07 07:33 PM |
#193 |
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My hubbie and I are 65 and are plagued with heart disease, diabetes,etc. |
juajen |
Jul-22-07 01:52 AM |
#130 |
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You might want to see Sicko |
ripple |
Jul-22-07 02:52 AM |
#136 |
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This is an important point you raise, juajen |
Bongo Prophet |
Jul-22-07 05:48 AM |
#143 |
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So, what you are saying is that the younger workers must carry the |
dugggy |
Jul-22-07 02:42 PM |
#178 |
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You ain't seen nothing yet, wait for 40 years when the |
pokercat999 |
Jul-22-07 06:33 AM |
#145 |
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One problem with your idea..... |
dugggy |
Jul-22-07 02:45 PM |
#179 |
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What exactly does sharing have to do with how much |
pokercat999 |
Jul-22-07 03:58 PM |
#188 |
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I believe in the Bill Clinton theory on economy |
dugggy |
Jul-22-07 06:00 PM |
#189 |
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Outsourcing has stimulated lots of economic activity! |
pokercat999 |
Jul-22-07 08:23 PM |
#196 |
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I don't have Nafta stats in my head but |
dugggy |
Jul-22-07 10:59 PM |
#202 |
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A shill for the republicans? |
ripple |
Jul-22-07 02:18 AM |
#134 |
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Social Security Supluses have been paying for the war and Bush's tax cuts -- !!! |
defendandprotect |
Jul-22-07 02:15 PM |
#167 |
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Why did'nt Gore put SS in a lock box when he was the VP? |
dugggy |
Jul-22-07 11:02 PM |
#203 |
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The age was upped for me , I forget when maybe 20 yrs ago |
mitchtv |
Jul-21-07 03:35 PM |
#14 |
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But what ARE those alternatives? |
eyesroll |
Jul-21-07 03:39 PM |
#17 |
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Raise the taxable amount for higher income |
mitchtv |
Jul-21-07 03:47 PM |
#26 |
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Agreed on removing caps on SS tax withholding, but disagree on |
dugggy |
Jul-22-07 11:09 PM |
#205 |
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Keep in mind when SS began women weren't working .. . we have doubled our workforce !!! |
defendandprotect |
Jul-22-07 02:18 PM |
#168 |
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Raising the cap on an automatic scale based on the inflation |
napi21 |
Jul-21-07 06:06 PM |
#80 |
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I think that is alredy the law!!! The cap gets raised every year! |
dugggy |
Jul-21-07 09:59 PM |
#111 |
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And a lot more jobs are |
shimmergal |
Jul-22-07 12:33 PM |
#158 |
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I am not open to raising the retirement age, frankly. |
peacebird |
Jul-21-07 03:33 PM |
#11 |
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then social security is welfare |
democratsin08 |
Jul-21-07 03:41 PM |
#20 |
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Because some crook on Wall Street can come along and steal it from you. |
JDPriestly |
Jul-21-07 05:49 PM |
#75 |
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Because unless you die relatively young, you will get more from |
napi21 |
Jul-21-07 06:13 PM |
#83 |
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because social insurance is not welfare - it is a pack between generations - and |
papau |
Jul-21-07 11:01 PM |
#119 |
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Maybe because you live in a society |
ProudDad |
Jul-22-07 01:54 AM |
#132 |
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Because SS is an INSURANCE program -- |
defendandprotect |
Jul-22-07 02:22 PM |
#169 |
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It's already been raised to 67 |
sandnsea |
Jul-21-07 03:35 PM |
#13 |
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I don't think most people even know that |
TheFarseer |
Jul-21-07 03:43 PM |
#22 |
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raise the retirement age to 100 |
democratsin08 |
Jul-21-07 03:35 PM |
#15 |
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and you get sick at 35? |
mitchtv |
Jul-21-07 03:40 PM |
#19 |
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its an odd insurance plan |
democratsin08 |
Jul-21-07 03:44 PM |
#23 |
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You can. |
Dr.Phool |
Jul-21-07 03:54 PM |
#32 |
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go open one up a 401 k |
mitchtv |
Jul-21-07 03:55 PM |
#33 |
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I'll use the "W" word |
ProudDad |
Jul-22-07 07:40 PM |
#195 |
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Okay, look at it this way |
zalinda |
Jul-21-07 06:19 PM |
#85 |
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because social insurance is not welfare - it is a pack between generations -and you'd screw your Dad |
papau |
Jul-21-07 11:03 PM |
#120 |
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Only part of it - half is from you and half is from your employers. nt |
enlightenment |
Jul-21-07 04:04 PM |
#40 |
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Used to be 2/3rds from employer and 1/3rd from employee---!!!! !!! |
defendandprotect |
Jul-22-07 02:24 PM |
#170 |
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I think he's absolutely right. |
JerseygirlCT |
Jul-21-07 03:42 PM |
#21 |
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i dont think so |
democratsin08 |
Jul-21-07 03:48 PM |
#27 |
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But how do you propose they solve the problem? |
JerseygirlCT |
Jul-21-07 07:57 PM |
#93 |
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not if you are a roofer |
mitchtv |
Jul-21-07 03:48 PM |
#28 |
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I agree. nt |
calteacherguy |
Jul-21-07 04:30 PM |
#59 |
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Guess what? It's not young enough to labor on a road crew or |
kenzee13 |
Jul-21-07 08:12 PM |
#97 |
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No - this doesn't really bother me, something has to be done - but |
Jillian |
Jul-21-07 03:46 PM |
#25 |
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thats why i support biden!! |
democratsin08 |
Jul-21-07 03:49 PM |
#29 |
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You mean Joe Biden who gave us CLARENCE THOMAS on the Supreme Court -- ?? !!! ??? !!!! |
defendandprotect |
Jul-22-07 02:24 PM |
#171 |
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Those of you with aging parents who are talking big stuff on changing Soc. Sec. |
madfloridian |
Jul-21-07 03:51 PM |
#31 |
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Bingo |
mitchtv |
Jul-21-07 03:57 PM |
#35 |
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i doubt obama is saying that |
democratsin08 |
Jul-21-07 03:57 PM |
#36 |
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ask Geo Stephanopulos |
mitchtv |
Jul-21-07 04:01 PM |
#37 |
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Then you have you and your parents to take care of...good luck. |
madfloridian |
Jul-21-07 04:06 PM |
#41 |
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Then switch parties and be done with it. |
LandOLincoln |
Jul-21-07 04:07 PM |
#45 |
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No? Who's Obama been selling himself to every day -- ???? ???? |
defendandprotect |
Jul-22-07 02:26 PM |
#172 |
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it appears to you? |
maximusveritas |
Jul-21-07 04:02 PM |
#38 |
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It scares me |
mitchtv |
Jul-21-07 04:06 PM |
#42 |
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Contradictory....if everything is on the table then so is privatization. |
madfloridian |
Jul-21-07 04:08 PM |
#47 |
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re: aging parents |
CountAllVotes |
Jul-21-07 04:06 PM |
#43 |
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It's the age of "me first", others be damned. |
madfloridian |
Jul-21-07 04:10 PM |
#51 |
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yep but just one bad turn ... |
CountAllVotes |
Jul-21-07 04:14 PM |
#53 |
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if its my money |
democratsin08 |
Jul-21-07 04:28 PM |
#57 |
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You are really spouting some odd stuff. |
madfloridian |
Jul-21-07 04:30 PM |
#60 |
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Check the link, privatization comments weren't included in the OP snip: |
djmaddox1 |
Jul-21-07 07:15 PM |
#90 |
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Then everything can not be said to be on the table. |
madfloridian |
Jul-21-07 08:50 PM |
#103 |
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What leads you to believe he supports privatization? |
JerseygirlCT |
Jul-21-07 08:00 PM |
#94 |
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If money is not put in....there will be less for those in the system now. |
madfloridian |
Jul-21-07 08:47 PM |
#102 |
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Again, you're not answering the question: why do you think |
JerseygirlCT |
Jul-22-07 06:53 AM |
#146 |
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Yes, that's a damned scary statement. |
ThomCat |
Jul-21-07 03:56 PM |
#34 |
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This interview was 2 months old. Why the repost? n/t |
maximusveritas |
Jul-21-07 04:03 PM |
#39 |
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I just got sick of I hate so and so posts. this is an issue |
mitchtv |
Jul-21-07 04:09 PM |
#48 |
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At 67 years old, it's high enough. n/t |
goodgd_yall |
Jul-21-07 04:06 PM |
#44 |
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you betcha |
mitchtv |
Jul-21-07 04:10 PM |
#49 |
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Raising the retirement age would be discriminatory |
goodgd_yall |
Jul-21-07 04:13 PM |
#52 |
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my brother ... |
CountAllVotes |
Jul-21-07 04:17 PM |
#55 |
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I think people are entitled to some work-free years by the time they get into their 60s. n/t |
goodgd_yall |
Jul-21-07 04:48 PM |
#65 |
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I think perhaps that's a backwards way of approaching the |
JerseygirlCT |
Jul-21-07 08:01 PM |
#95 |
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And in the meantime, raise the full retirement age? |
goodgd_yall |
Jul-21-07 08:07 PM |
#96 |
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This isn't quite accurate . . . |
beaconess |
Jul-22-07 01:28 AM |
#126 |
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I see your point |
goodgd_yall |
Jul-22-07 08:35 PM |
#199 |
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You're absolutely right - Bush's use of this statistic is cynical and manipulative |
beaconess |
Jul-22-07 09:00 PM |
#200 |
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by that reasoning, having any retirement age is discriminatory |
Enrique |
Jul-22-07 01:46 AM |
#129 |
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I don't understand the logic in your statement |
goodgd_yall |
Jul-22-07 07:37 PM |
#194 |
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Wnat to know what Barrie stands for? Take a look at whatever crowd he |
acmavm |
Jul-21-07 04:17 PM |
#54 |
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so he changes with the tide whatever it may be? |
CountAllVotes |
Jul-21-07 04:20 PM |
#56 |
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Have you been taking lessons from O'Reilly, |
ripple |
Jul-22-07 02:38 AM |
#135 |
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I don't support Hillary. Quite the contrary. But I DO listen to what Barrie says. |
acmavm |
Jul-22-07 09:34 AM |
#152 |
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Then perhaps you can provide an example or two to back up your claim |
ripple |
Jul-22-07 01:02 PM |
#159 |
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Not concerned at all. Folks are living longer. |
calteacherguy |
Jul-21-07 04:28 PM |
#58 |
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You are a teacher I assume... |
edwardsguy |
Jul-21-07 04:46 PM |
#64 |
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I am absolutely against merit pay, and have said so. |
calteacherguy |
Jul-21-07 08:13 PM |
#98 |
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Do you even pay into Social Security? n/t |
antigop |
Jul-21-07 05:19 PM |
#69 |
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No, I don't personally. I would have no problem raising retirement age for teachers as well. |
calteacherguy |
Jul-21-07 08:14 PM |
#99 |
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Well, I didn't think you did if you are a California teacher n/t |
antigop |
Jul-21-07 08:32 PM |
#100 |
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Keeping an open mind doesn't mean being willing to do harm -- !!! |
defendandprotect |
Jul-22-07 02:29 PM |
#173 |
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Not a very good answer. |
gulliver |
Jul-21-07 04:32 PM |
#61 |
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Worst possible answer from a Democrat, in fact. (nt) |
w4rma |
Jul-22-07 04:36 AM |
#139 |
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I'm bothered by social security in general. |
bling bling |
Jul-21-07 04:33 PM |
#62 |
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What I think |
goodgd_yall |
Jul-21-07 04:52 PM |
#66 |
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I kind of agree. |
bling bling |
Jul-21-07 05:43 PM |
#74 |
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Are they paying taxes on a lot of their income? |
JDPriestly |
Jul-21-07 05:57 PM |
#76 |
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that is what happened to my own mother! |
CountAllVotes |
Jul-21-07 06:03 PM |
#79 |
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This is my understanding, |
bling bling |
Jul-21-07 06:17 PM |
#84 |
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There is a problem too |
Mojorabbit |
Jul-21-07 06:22 PM |
#87 |
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Uhhh, remember that SS is NOT supposed to be like a 401K, where you |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Jul-21-07 08:50 PM |
#104 |
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"Are they supposed to starve after their husbands die?" |
bling bling |
Jul-21-07 10:36 PM |
#115 |
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There's a reason that everyone gets it: |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Jul-21-07 11:13 PM |
#122 |
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I'm sure it's also much more simple that way. |
bling bling |
Jul-22-07 01:08 AM |
#125 |
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Thanks, Lydia, for pointing out |
shimmergal |
Jul-22-07 01:16 PM |
#161 |
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You want your grandparents money to go to "other people" . . . ??? |
defendandprotect |
Jul-22-07 02:35 PM |
#175 |
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I assume "everything" includes private accounts, which would explain |
Boo Boo |
Jul-21-07 05:04 PM |
#68 |
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Maybe you should look into it before you make dumb assumptions |
maximusveritas |
Jul-21-07 05:25 PM |
#72 |
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I question Obama's concern about the elderly. |
JDPriestly |
Jul-21-07 05:21 PM |
#70 |
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yeah $800 a month goes a long way |
CountAllVotes |
Jul-21-07 06:07 PM |
#81 |
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Why would someone on medicare have so many medical bills unless |
Auntie Bush |
Jul-21-07 09:00 PM |
#105 |
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lots of reasons |
CountAllVotes |
Jul-21-07 10:35 PM |
#114 |
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Thanks for explaining for me and others. Wow! That's horrible! |
Auntie Bush |
Jul-22-07 10:37 AM |
#156 |
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for one, DRUGS haven't been covered and now the new plan isn't that great -- |
defendandprotect |
Jul-22-07 02:37 PM |
#176 |
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About improving incentives-- |
shimmergal |
Jul-22-07 01:21 PM |
#162 |
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You forgot to include the next line: Privatization off the table |
frazzled |
Jul-21-07 05:25 PM |
#71 |
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hmmm ... |
CountAllVotes |
Jul-21-07 06:10 PM |
#82 |
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The issue I chose was with raising eligibility age |
mitchtv |
Jul-21-07 09:50 PM |
#108 |
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Obama is the one person who has been looking out for the elderly and low income. |
Kingstree |
Jul-21-07 06:01 PM |
#77 |
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I have not problems with it. He said he would not privatize social security. |
Ethelk2044 |
Jul-21-07 06:20 PM |
#86 |
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He doesn't need to advocate Privatizing it...Just raise the age to 70 or higher... |
KoKo01 |
Jul-21-07 07:09 PM |
#89 |
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What would "privatizing" do to it? |
cutlassmama |
Jul-21-07 07:53 PM |
#91 |
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May I quote Atrios on the myth of the Soc. Sec. problem? |
madfloridian |
Jul-21-07 09:03 PM |
#106 |
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Obama is not for weakening Social Security. read his stand on his website. |
illinoisprogressive |
Jul-21-07 09:13 PM |
#107 |
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then he should watch what he says |
mitchtv |
Jul-21-07 09:53 PM |
#109 |
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Everything is on the table is an acceptable response. |
rufus dog |
Jul-21-07 10:18 PM |
#112 |
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Most sensible response. |
silverweb |
Jul-21-07 10:27 PM |
#113 |
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sorry - didn't see your response |
rufus dog |
Jul-21-07 10:44 PM |
#116 |
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I hear you. |
silverweb |
Jul-21-07 10:53 PM |
#118 |
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Sorry but your logic was hard for me to follow - there is no need for evereything being "on |
papau |
Jul-21-07 11:17 PM |
#123 |
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This cherry-picked quote out of context brought to you by... |
zulchzulu |
Jul-21-07 11:04 PM |
#121 |
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he said that because he's not a phony |
Enrique |
Jul-22-07 01:44 AM |
#128 |
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He's selling out to the same folks that bought Hillary. |
Vidar |
Jul-22-07 03:19 AM |
#137 |
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So now the argument |
JTFrog |
Jul-22-07 04:32 AM |
#138 |
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Well, I know who I'm NOT voting for. |
Andromeda |
Jul-22-07 04:46 AM |
#140 |
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SS can be used as an issue to attack |
Enthusiast |
Jul-22-07 06:25 AM |
#144 |
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"Everything" on the table just means he's open to listening to all ideas. |
Vinca |
Jul-22-07 07:00 AM |
#147 |
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Post the rest of the thread you fraud. |
sellitman |
Jul-22-07 07:29 AM |
#149 |
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Common sense never bothers me. |
MH1 |
Jul-22-07 07:43 AM |
#150 |
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Video of What Obama Acutally said |
eweaver155 |
Jul-22-07 09:47 AM |
#153 |
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Raising retirement age isn't on the table for this construction worker |
Babel_17 |
Jul-22-07 09:59 AM |
#154 |
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The $ bets . . . and Social Security . . . be worried -- |
defendandprotect |
Jul-22-07 02:06 PM |
#164 |
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Not an Obama supporter...but this does not bother me... |
SaveElmer |
Jul-22-07 02:35 PM |
#174 |
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slowly, we learn of his proosals. Bones and bodies get old expecially for |
rodeodance |
Jul-22-07 03:10 PM |
#180 |
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Obama is too accomodating. Grow some....SS is NOT on the table....Jesus |
EndElectoral |
Jul-22-07 03:23 PM |
#181 |
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Just another corporate shill. Wall Street is just drooling over the idea |
greyhound1966 |
Jul-22-07 03:29 PM |
#182 |
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No wonder Obama gets the most campaign $$$ from Wall Street |
dugggy |
Jul-22-07 11:17 PM |
#206 |
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All western nations are going to have to raise the retirement age in the years to |
applegrove |
Jul-22-07 03:32 PM |
#184 |
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Obama, please be careful how you answer SS Questions. |
OHdem10 |
Jul-22-07 03:51 PM |
#187 |
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No, you're not the only one. |
LWolf |
Jul-22-07 11:05 PM |
#204 |
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I can't trust this guy; I don't trust Hillary....if these are really the two |
Gloria |
Jul-23-07 12:26 AM |
#207 |