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117. Perhaps she shouldn't have said "off the table," but her point is correct
Edited on Sat Jul-14-07 06:34 PM by beaconess
She was trying to make clear that - unlike the Republican majority under Clinton - the Democrats aren't salivating over impeachment (which, to many, appears to be just a form of political payback), but were planning to focus on the issues that got them elected: the war, the economy, oversight, etc. Impeachment was NOT one of the critical factors in the 2006 election.

Perhaps she remembers - and assumes voters will, as well - that the Republicans began pushing for the impeachment of Bill Clinton the second he was reelected, long before the Monica scandal. It was clear throughout the impeachment process that Republicans were using it to bring down a president they couldn't stop electorally, not because he had done anything wrong and that even if he had never meant Lewinsky, Bill Clinton would have been impeached for SOMETHING. The Republican abuse of the impeachment tool and the public's sour response to it is likely one of the reasons Pelosi is being very careful to ensure the Democrats do not appear to be hungry to impeach Bush for the sake of political payback. She was simply making the point that the Democrats were using their time and efforts on the things that the voters cared about.

But that doesn't mean it can't be put back on the table, if the American public decides that this is the way to go.
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  -I just watched many on DU get passionately excited about Bill Moyers show rodeodance  Jul-13-07 10:28 PM   #0 
  - please help keep this kicked  rodeodance   Jul-13-07 10:29 PM   #1 
  - Great - thank you, and K/R! nt  babylonsister   Jul-13-07 10:31 PM   #2 
  - kickin'  Drum   Jul-13-07 10:31 PM   #3 
  - K/R n/t  RufusTFirefly   Jul-13-07 10:32 PM   #4 
  - hey Thanks all, I only have dial up and fear it will sink quick  rodeodance   Jul-13-07 10:34 PM   #6 
     - Impeachment Isn't A Constitutional Crisis; It's The Cure For A Constitutional Crisis!  rodeodance   Jul-13-07 10:35 PM   #8 
        - that you mention it, how much would it cost  truth2power   Jul-14-07 12:39 PM   #94 
           - hey, things falling from the sky do get attention  rodeodance   Jul-15-07 07:25 AM   #131 
  - This program airs on Public TV in Ga. on Sunday!  napi21   Jul-13-07 10:34 PM   #5 
  - In Maine  Donna Zen   Jul-13-07 10:47 PM   #16 
  - It was a great show  goodhue   Jul-13-07 10:35 PM   #7 
  - I think the time is Ripe!  rodeodance   Jul-13-07 10:36 PM   #9 
  - k  rodeodance   Jul-13-07 10:36 PM   #10 
  - Bill Moyers on Impeachment, playing devil's advocate, was brilliant!  rodeodance   Jul-13-07 10:39 PM   #11 
     - K&R After the show I looked at the blog on  snappyturtle   Jul-13-07 10:56 PM   #20 
     - the RW is complaining about it being NOT fair and balanced! What a hoot!  rodeodance   Jul-13-07 11:15 PM   #27 
     - It is funny but also troubling.....these people must be getting  snappyturtle   Jul-14-07 12:16 AM   #42 
        - Just turn on msm----they get their truth by via the air--it surrounds us!!  rodeodance   Jul-14-07 10:35 AM   #79 
     - It was fair and balanced considering that the truth is being used...  AntiFascist   Jul-14-07 03:52 AM   #54 
     - He was at his best...  dajoki   Jul-14-07 11:01 AM   #86 
  - .  goodhue   Jul-14-07 12:49 AM   #50 
  - K&R IMPEACHMENT IS THE CURE! n/t  Decruiter   Jul-13-07 10:40 PM   #12 
  - Fein or Nickols said Pelosi is shirking her Constitutional duty by taking impeachment  rodeodance   Jul-13-07 10:43 PM   #13 
     - k  rodeodance   Jul-13-07 10:43 PM   #14 
        - ...The guests were crying out for a Representative of the People to step forward, defying the Speake  rodeodance   Jul-13-07 10:53 PM   #18 
  - It was fantastic! nt  MookieWilson   Jul-13-07 10:46 PM   #15 
  - K&R  Cleita   Jul-13-07 10:53 PM   #17 
  - kicky poo poo  rodeodance   Jul-13-07 10:55 PM   #19 
  - Kickity kick kick!!!  snappyturtle   Jul-13-07 11:03 PM   #21 
  - that show was wonderful wasn't it? it was very inspiring.  orleans   Jul-14-07 12:32 AM   #45 
  - did not see it. I don't get worked up over impeachement because  illinoisprogressive   Jul-13-07 11:09 PM   #22 
  - See it... You will be shown something worthy of your viewing! n/t  MrMickeysMom   Jul-13-07 11:11 PM   #24 
  - BE the SHOWER  rodeodance   Jul-13-07 11:13 PM   #25 
  - illinoisprogressive, make sure you see this program.  mohinoaklawnillinois   Jul-13-07 11:36 PM   #36 
  - It's on PBS online  Danascot   Jul-14-07 09:50 AM   #67 
  - Boy, do I agree. Please keep this thread going  MrMickeysMom   Jul-13-07 11:09 PM   #23 
  - I'm just so pleased and inspired ..  ananda   Jul-13-07 11:15 PM   #26 
     - I know. My spirit is low of late too but tonight I got a jolt!  snappyturtle   Jul-13-07 11:21 PM   #29 
  - K & R. I just came here to post about the show and saw all the threads...  emmadoggy   Jul-13-07 11:17 PM   #28 
  - Isn't it wonderful? While the president sleeps his "children" as he  snappyturtle   Jul-13-07 11:24 PM   #30 
  - Nickols said many congresspeople do not know the Constitution  rodeodance   Jul-13-07 11:29 PM   #33 
     - You know you may have hit it! He did say's just  snappyturtle   Jul-14-07 12:10 AM   #39 
        - now YOU have given me an idea!! Thanky  rodeodance   Jul-14-07 12:14 AM   #41 
           - What????? don't leave me hangin' here!! n/t  snappyturtle   Jul-14-07 12:17 AM   #43 
              - your suggestion that they read the constitution--i added that to my memos to my congresscritters  rodeodance   Jul-14-07 10:04 AM   #73 
  - K&R...  Tarheel_Dem   Jul-13-07 11:25 PM   #31 
  - WATCH IT HERE!  rodeodance   Jul-13-07 11:26 PM   #32 
  - video's not up yet  Swamp Rat   Jul-13-07 11:34 PM   #35 
  - Here-----also a transcript  rodeodance   Jul-14-07 10:56 AM   #85 
  - k&r  Swamp Rat   Jul-13-07 11:31 PM   #34 
  - Thanks for putting this together Rodeo....K&R!  KoKo01   Jul-13-07 11:54 PM   #37 
  - you betcha-------------Lets LIGHT UP THOSE PHONES!  rodeodance   Jul-14-07 12:13 AM   #40 
  - K&R!!  jannyk   Jul-13-07 11:55 PM   #38 
  - This is an excellent piece of journalism  truedelphi   Jul-14-07 12:22 AM   #44 
  - k&r & bookmarking. great show! "NANCY PELOSI IS WRONG.  orleans   Jul-14-07 12:35 AM   #46 
  - Wasn't that a wonderful statement.....Nancy Pelosi is wrong!  snappyturtle   Jul-14-07 12:42 AM   #48 
  - K&R Moyers is a national treasure! nt  puebloknot   Jul-14-07 12:42 AM   #47 
  - I have to say this....Texas has a national treasure! A native Texan to boot!  snappyturtle   Jul-14-07 12:45 AM   #49 
     - That's all right. I'm a Texan by birth, but I left when I was two! nt  puebloknot   Jul-14-07 06:56 PM   #119 
  - K&R  burrowowl   Jul-14-07 01:26 AM   #51 
  - K and R  ClayZ   Jul-14-07 02:34 AM   #52 
  - Cure The Crisis: Impeach - Stat n/t  Senator   Jul-14-07 02:58 AM   #53 
  - morning kick  DemReadingDU   Jul-14-07 05:48 AM   #55 
  - Moyers wasn't on at the time you all were talking about it in my area..  Tellurian   Jul-14-07 07:37 AM   #58 
     - pBs generally does re-runs---need to keep our eys open  rodeodance   Jul-14-07 10:34 AM   #78 
  - I was especially impressed by Fein's arguments.  Dr.Phool   Jul-14-07 07:07 AM   #56 
  - There is no such thing as an honest RW Conservative..  Tellurian   Jul-14-07 07:49 AM   #59 
  - It was a wonderful program!  Totally Committed   Jul-14-07 07:26 AM   #57 
  - I'm afraid you are correct.  Duncan   Jul-14-07 10:34 AM   #77 
  - This is the message I just sent Speaker Pelosi (thanks for the link)  Fly by night   Jul-14-07 08:31 AM   #60 
  - ha. love the 're-setting' the table-------she needs help with that.  rodeodance   Jul-14-07 09:57 AM   #71 
  - Outstanding post! Bill Moyer's is a Patriot and Journalist who speaks the truth!  1776Forever   Jul-14-07 08:35 AM   #61 
  - K&R n/t  proReality   Jul-14-07 08:58 AM   #62 
  - Impeachment cannot be instigated by the Speaker  beaconess   Jul-14-07 09:16 AM   #63 
  - good advice--will do! (nt)  ima_sinnic   Jul-14-07 09:26 AM   #64 
  - "being in the direct line of succession"...  truth2power   Jul-14-07 09:45 AM   #66 
  - I read and listen to him as the Constitutional expect.  rodeodance   Jul-14-07 11:19 AM   #89 
  - I thought the show was excellent, too, and it made me look at this in a different way  beaconess   Jul-14-07 06:25 PM   #116 
  - Thanks for the good points. I feel a little better.  Duncan   Jul-14-07 10:55 AM   #84 
  - Perhaps she shouldn't have said "off the table," but her point is correct  beaconess   Jul-14-07 06:28 PM   #117 
  - She could initiate it  ProudDad   Jul-14-07 08:18 PM   #120 
  - Re-read my post - I didn't say she doesn't have the power to do it  beaconess   Jul-14-07 11:09 PM   #127 
  - HR 333 - Kucinich bill  ProudDad   Jul-14-07 08:29 PM   #122 
     - Please get your facts straight - Pelosi is NOT blocking this resolution!  beaconess   Jul-14-07 11:21 PM   #128 
        - With a word  ProudDad   Jul-15-07 02:26 PM   #133 
           - How do you know what "word" she's saying to the committee chairs or anyone else in the Caucus  beaconess   Jul-15-07 09:41 PM   #134 
  - Kick & Nominated  pberq   Jul-14-07 09:45 AM   #65 
  - I wish...oh how I wish I had taped this show. Crap!..  truth2power   Jul-14-07 09:51 AM   #68 
  - yes, rather steep but look around as i see some DU members taped it and  rodeodance   Jul-14-07 09:55 AM   #69 
  - Thanks. I'd be willing to pay for the tape and the postage. n/t  truth2power   Jul-14-07 10:07 AM   #75 
  - go to and look at your local PBS stations.  hashibabba   Jul-14-07 12:11 PM   #93 
  - Thanks. Will do, later today. *fingers crossed* eom  truth2power   Jul-14-07 12:46 PM   #95 
  - I just looked at one of my three PBS channels and they're  hashibabba   Jul-14-07 12:53 PM   #98 
     - be sure to send the Times to be aired to all in you address book.  rodeodance   Jul-14-07 12:56 PM   #100 
  - You can view it on-line  ProudDad   Jul-14-07 08:19 PM   #121 
     - Thanks. I guess I wasn't clear. I did see the show, but  truth2power   Jul-15-07 10:09 PM   #135 
  - done called & emailed nm  april   Jul-14-07 09:56 AM   #70 
  - a big KICK for the morning crowd  rodeodance   Jul-14-07 09:57 AM   #72 
  - I sent off a short handwritten letter to Pelosi and all my congresscritters.  rodeodance   Jul-14-07 10:05 AM   #74 
  - Big Huge K&R  L0oniX   Jul-14-07 10:22 AM   #76 
  - another KIcky for morning crowd.  rodeodance   Jul-14-07 10:36 AM   #80 
  - and now for the late afternoon crowd  rodeodance   Jul-14-07 05:03 PM   #112 
  - "Impeachment isn't a constitutional crisis - it is the *cure* for a constitutional crisis."  8_year_nightmare   Jul-14-07 10:40 AM   #81 
  - that is the important quote that I forwarded to all my congresscritters  rodeodance   Jul-14-07 10:45 AM   #82 
     - I'll do the same.  8_year_nightmare   Jul-14-07 11:15 AM   #88 
  - K&R  stimbox   Jul-14-07 10:45 AM   #83 
  - some good REferences from the website:  rodeodance   Jul-14-07 11:14 AM   #87 
  - Oh man, just watched this show on-line at the PBS site  fencesitter   Jul-14-07 11:24 AM   #90 
  - Larisa Alexandrovna: Bill Moyers Again Shows What Real Journalism Is About...  rodeodance   Jul-14-07 11:33 AM   #91 
  - I haven't felt so good for a very looooooooooong  femrap   Jul-14-07 12:10 PM   #92 
  - things are a changing aren't they! -----too show for me but we have to keep hitting  rodeodance   Jul-14-07 12:51 PM   #96 
     - Last weekend I wrote 24 note cards to the 23  femrap   Jul-14-07 10:13 PM   #125 
  - the judiciary committee must call formal hearings on the impeachment of George Bush and Dick Cheney  pberq   Jul-14-07 12:51 PM   #97 
  - Conyers is listening to Pelosi ----he has not even signed onto Dennis K bill.  rodeodance   Jul-14-07 02:03 PM   #104 
  - kick  BushDespiser12   Jul-14-07 12:53 PM   #99 
  - Fantastic and necessary program everyone should watch  RestoreGore   Jul-14-07 01:13 PM   #101 
  - Key FAX numbers, HTH  liam_laddie   Jul-14-07 01:46 PM   #102 
  - they thanks  rodeodance   Jul-14-07 01:56 PM   #103 
     - PBS wants to hear what you think about the WAR DEBATE Bill Moyers  rodeodance   Jul-14-07 02:14 PM   #105 
  - K & R. nt.  Mr_Jefferson_24   Jul-14-07 02:21 PM   #106 
  - K&R!  tbyg52   Jul-14-07 02:55 PM   #107 
  - Kick!  Qutzupalotl   Jul-14-07 03:12 PM   #108 
  - It is time to put the onus of accountability on the Repugs.  rodeodance   Jul-14-07 03:22 PM   #109 
     - The blame belongs with the criminal, not the cop.  ClassWarrior   Jul-14-07 04:24 PM   #111 
        - Salient point!..  Tellurian   Jul-14-07 06:09 PM   #115 
  - K and R  proud patriot   Jul-14-07 04:21 PM   #110 
  - The Constitution Rules!  libodem   Jul-14-07 05:13 PM   #113 
  - maybe over time?  rodeodance   Jul-15-07 07:26 AM   #132 
  - I heard Harry Reid today on an AAR interview saying again  EHK   Jul-14-07 05:55 PM   #114 
  - venting is good for the soul. Its the Repugs that have fillerbuster all the Dem  rodeodance   Jul-14-07 09:12 PM   #123 
  - My Rep is a co-sponsor  Sherman A1   Jul-14-07 06:46 PM   #118 
  - Major K & R  Surya Gayatri   Jul-14-07 10:08 PM   #124 
  - Kick. n/t  veness   Jul-14-07 10:33 PM   #126 
  - Moyers' program was outstanding. Thanks for the info -- I'm going to be on the phone on Monday a.m.  CLW   Jul-15-07 01:56 AM   #129 
  - I sent mine a short snail mail letter---but will fax and phone Monday also.  rodeodance   Jul-15-07 06:48 AM   #130 
  - "The vice presidency isn't worth a pitcher of warm piss." - VP John Nance Garner  Breeze54   Jul-25-07 12:10 PM   #136 

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