flpoljunkie
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Tue Jul-10-07 03:55 PM
Response to Reply #29 |
| 30. A bill which will very likely never make it to the floor, will do nothing to end the war. |
| -AP: Obama challenges rivals on Iraq war says, "There are no do-overs..." |
flpoljunkie |
Jul-10-07 09:41 AM |
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I have to disagree with the Senator from Illinois on that issue |
BOSSHOG |
Jul-10-07 09:43 AM |
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I think his point is |
dansolo |
Jul-10-07 12:29 PM |
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Edwards says that people should consider it and that Obama was right and he was wrong. |
jsamuel |
Jul-10-07 12:40 PM |
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It is directed at HRC's proposal to de-authorize the war imo nt |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Jul-10-07 02:41 PM |
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He knows HRC's proposal to de-authorize the war will very likely never come to the floor for a vote. |
flpoljunkie |
Jul-10-07 03:27 PM |
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Did Obama's Iraq plan get a vote? |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Jul-10-07 03:31 PM |
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Obama amendments will boost funding for veterans mental health, and military contractor oversight. |
flpoljunkie |
Jul-10-07 03:45 PM |
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Which will do nothing to end the war. I was referring to his much hyped winter bill |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Jul-10-07 03:50 PM |
#29 |
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A bill which will very likely never make it to the floor, will do nothing to end the war. |
flpoljunkie |
Jul-10-07 03:55 PM |
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I agree |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Jul-10-07 04:03 PM |
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I am, of course, again referring to Hiillary's de-authorization bill. |
flpoljunkie |
Jul-10-07 05:24 PM |
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I think a bill like this, which mirrors the Iraq Study Group's recommendations,only one possible now |
flpoljunkie |
Jul-10-07 05:27 PM |
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Are you saying the Veterans do not deserve the Benefits then? |
Ethelk2044 |
Jul-10-07 07:38 PM |
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He stated when he takes office he would be get to start getting our troops out of Iraq. |
Ethelk2044 |
Jul-10-07 08:59 PM |
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So what is he doing to stop the war? |
jmp |
Jul-10-07 09:46 AM |
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Nothing. He didn't even give a speech in the senate on Iraq during his first 11 months |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Jul-10-07 02:48 PM |
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He has done a lot more than Edwards. He has consistently spoke out against the war. |
Ethelk2044 |
Jul-10-07 08:58 PM |
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Well there is a do over if he continues to fall in line with RW thinking about Iran |
MessiahRp |
Jul-10-07 09:47 AM |
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Did He Say He's Ready To Start A War With Iraq? |
MannyGoldstein |
Jul-10-07 09:55 AM |
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It's Iran and his position is the same as Bush's |
MessiahRp |
Jul-10-07 10:07 AM |
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It's the same position as all the responsible Democratic candidates |
maximusveritas |
Jul-10-07 10:13 AM |
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No he did not say that. |
Ethelk2044 |
Jul-10-07 08:52 PM |
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so if Iran invades Israel or Iraq |
Scriptor Ignotus |
Jul-10-07 02:48 PM |
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Iran invading Israel... |
fujiyama |
Jul-10-07 08:07 PM |
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bwahahhahahahaah |
Scriptor Ignotus |
Jul-10-07 09:11 PM |
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Iran has a large Military Force |
Ethelk2044 |
Jul-10-07 09:13 PM |
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Correct. And you weren't in the Senate, Obama. I'm sure you know that. |
MalloyLiberal |
Jul-10-07 09:49 AM |
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And don't give me bullshit that he gave a speech. |
MalloyLiberal |
Jul-10-07 09:49 AM |
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Let's leave aside the fact that he didn't have a vote, if that's your point. |
jefferson_dem |
Jul-10-07 09:54 AM |
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He didn't have to give a speech, either. |
hedgehog |
Jul-10-07 06:59 PM |
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He wasn't in the Senate, and he saw no intelligence |
MalloyLiberal |
Jul-10-07 07:44 PM |
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He was an obscure politician planning to run in a Democratic primary statewide |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Jul-10-07 07:57 PM |
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So you're saying Bush went to war in 2003 with the support of |
hedgehog |
Jul-10-07 08:06 PM |
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No, but Democratic voters--especially Democratic primary voters opposed the war nt |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Jul-10-07 08:33 PM |
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That must explain why Kerry ran such a vigourous anti-war |
hedgehog |
Jul-10-07 09:22 PM |
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Apples and Oranges |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Jul-10-07 09:39 PM |
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So what he State a FACT We should have never with the WAR |
Ethelk2044 |
Jul-10-07 08:56 PM |
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He was not in the Senate. However he was smart enough to know it was a bad decision. |
Ethelk2044 |
Jul-10-07 08:50 PM |
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Stop playing politics with the troops, Obama..... |
MalloyLiberal |
Jul-10-07 09:50 AM |
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LOL! Good one. |
jefferson_dem |
Jul-10-07 09:54 AM |
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It was his statement in the last debate to Edwards... |
MalloyLiberal |
Jul-10-07 10:31 AM |
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No there is no double standars. Obama told Edwards he was 4 years late |
Ethelk2044 |
Jul-10-07 09:01 PM |
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So those that helped send the troops there in the first place weren't playing politics? |
zulchzulu |
Jul-10-07 08:19 PM |
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Obama never have played Politics with the troops. |
Ethelk2044 |
Jul-10-07 08:49 PM |
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He is not playing politics with the troops |
Kingstree |
Jul-10-07 09:25 PM |
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Obviously Obama's Right - And About Mrs. Clinton... |
MannyGoldstein |
Jul-10-07 09:51 AM |
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Particularly fitting criticism, using Hillary's own words against her... |
flpoljunkie |
Jul-10-07 10:23 AM |
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"do what's right and leave politics aside" |
frazzled |
Jul-10-07 10:56 AM |
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THe three are all different and their cases are different |
karynnj |
Jul-10-07 12:29 PM |
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That is the best summary of war positions I have seen here. |
rinsd |
Jul-10-07 12:41 PM |
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Thank you - I was trying to be fair ( I just wish I had reread it to eliminate the many typos) |
karynnj |
Jul-10-07 05:49 PM |
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Don't worry about the typos, I second rinsd... |
seasonedblue |
Jul-10-07 09:32 PM |
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Edwards did back Kerry/Feingold, he just thought it didn't go far enough. |
jsamuel |
Jul-10-07 12:43 PM |
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I think you are thinking of this year's Feingold/Reid |
karynnj |
Jul-10-07 05:42 PM |
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Ah, I was thinking of the wrong bill. |
jsamuel |
Jul-10-07 10:43 PM |
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The "new kind of politics" rolls on...Interestingly, BO is forced to resort to the 2002 IWR card |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Jul-10-07 02:46 PM |
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He's playing politics with our troops.... |
MalloyLiberal |
Jul-10-07 07:39 PM |
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Obama is not playing Politics with the Troops. He is the one who said |
Ethelk2044 |
Jul-10-07 07:44 PM |
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Obama voted for financing the war numerous times |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Jul-10-07 02:51 PM |
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only bush can end the war |
darboy |
Jul-10-07 05:47 PM |
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Congress can rescind |
barack4prez |
Jul-10-07 06:53 PM |
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Bush would have to sign it like any other law |
darboy |
Jul-11-07 06:15 AM |
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I don't think so |
barack4prez |
Jul-11-07 06:33 AM |
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a declaration of war is a law like any other law |
darboy |
Jul-11-07 06:39 AM |
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Congress can force * to end the war by ceasing to finance the war |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Jul-10-07 07:17 PM |
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It takes a majority Do we have enough votes? Hell NO |
Ethelk2044 |
Jul-10-07 08:08 PM |
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All I ask is to keep bringing the vote up |
ludwigb |
Jul-10-07 08:16 PM |
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I agree with you. They need to continuously bring the vote up to get |
Ethelk2044 |
Jul-10-07 08:18 PM |
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Bush can funnel money from other sources to the war |
darboy |
Jul-11-07 06:18 AM |
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Edwards was spokes person for the war. He voted for the war even knowing |
Ethelk2044 |
Jul-10-07 05:57 PM |
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Jul-10-07 07:39 PM |
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Jul-10-07 07:41 PM |
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Once again, this is about your favorite Obama |
MalloyLiberal |
Jul-10-07 07:43 PM |
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Who Endorsed the WAR! It sure the hell was not OBAMA Damit |
Ethelk2044 |
Jul-10-07 07:46 PM |
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Keep switching the topic |
MalloyLiberal |
Jul-10-07 07:47 PM |
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He is not supporting an occupation. He already announced his plan to get out. |
Ethelk2044 |
Jul-10-07 07:52 PM |
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Then why did he continue to fund the OCCUPATION? |
MalloyLiberal |
Jul-10-07 07:56 PM |
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He never supported the Occupation. He voted for the Soldiers to have money |
Ethelk2044 |
Jul-10-07 08:00 PM |
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Money to Bush in order to continue the occupation |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Jul-10-07 08:02 PM |
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Who voted to Authorized the war? |
Ethelk2044 |
Jul-10-07 08:06 PM |
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Not Kucinich. So why don't you answer Cumo's question |
MalloyLiberal |
Jul-10-07 08:18 PM |
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Chirp chirp, what a wimp |
MalloyLiberal |
Jul-10-07 09:21 PM |
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Why do you keep trying to change the question? The truth is Kucinich is the only anti-war candidate |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Jul-10-07 08:34 PM |
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You are the one trying to change th subject |
Ethelk2044 |
Jul-10-07 08:54 PM |
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And so was continuing to fund it |
MalloyLiberal |
Jul-10-07 09:22 PM |
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Exactly. Kucinich is the only one who has been correct on Iraq consistently nt |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Jul-10-07 09:41 PM |
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What do you call financing it? That is not supporting--and voting for--it? |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Jul-10-07 07:59 PM |
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that is because HRC likes to copy people and then take credit for herself. |
illinoisprogressive |
Jul-10-07 08:02 PM |
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and as I recall, you guy, Edwards, was one of the big drum beaters for war |
illinoisprogressive |
Jul-10-07 08:03 PM |
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He even worked with Bush to be one ot the Spokes person for the war |
Ethelk2044 |
Jul-10-07 08:05 PM |
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I agree with you 150% |
Ethelk2044 |
Jul-10-07 08:03 PM |
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The hawkish DLC leader HRC obviously liked Obama's plan |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Jul-10-07 08:35 PM |
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This is Bull Shit he method of getting out is nothing like Hillary |
Ethelk2044 |
Jul-10-07 08:03 PM |
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and EthelK, who read the Iraq papers. I dont' recall HRC or Edwards bothered |
illinoisprogressive |
Jul-10-07 08:05 PM |
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Neither one of them did. |
Ethelk2044 |
Jul-10-07 08:06 PM |
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And that is why, who is the one with the judgement. Obama |
illinoisprogressive |
Jul-10-07 08:08 PM |
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I agree with you again 150% |
Ethelk2044 |
Jul-10-07 08:08 PM |
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Obama didn't read any papers, or have to make any vote |
MalloyLiberal |
Jul-10-07 08:19 PM |
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True but he had the common sense to know it was not the correct war to be in. |
Ethelk2044 |
Jul-10-07 08:22 PM |
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Dennis Kucinich has never voted for the war. He is the only one with flawless judgment on Iraq |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Jul-10-07 08:39 PM |
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What are the differences between Obama's plan and HRC's plan on Iraq? |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Jul-10-07 08:37 PM |
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Right |
ludwigb |
Jul-10-07 08:14 PM |
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I wasn't aware HRC had any real plans out. All I've heard is sound bites. |
illinoisprogressive |
Jul-10-07 08:54 PM |
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No she does not. |
Ethelk2044 |
Jul-10-07 08:55 PM |
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Oh, wait, wasn't that what her little talk today was about. Her plan. |
illinoisprogressive |
Jul-10-07 08:55 PM |
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A little late |
Ethelk2044 |
Jul-10-07 09:03 PM |
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Ha! If Hillary speaks out and has a plan about Iraq, that means of course |
earthlover |
Jul-10-07 09:27 PM |
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Maybe if you were aware you would know the HRC's platform on Iraq is identical to your candidate's |
draft_mario_cuomo |
Jul-10-07 10:47 PM |
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