| 69. Again you expect me to believe YOU over quotes from FDR's own mouth... |
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And again, it's not going to happen.
"FDR threatened to drop out of the race, preparing a statement that argued that he could not run for a party that was not overwhelming in its support for "social progress and liberalism," and had refused to shake off "all shackles of control fastened upon it by the forces of conservatism, reaction, and appeasement." FDR's threat, coupled with an eloquent plea for party unity at the convention issued by Eleanor Roosevelt, ultimately carried the day and on January 20, 1941, Henry A. Wallace became Vice President of the United States."
"How do you feel about FDR's gung-ho itch to get into WWII BEFORE Pearl Harbor?"
I feel that we should have been involved in WWII LONG before Pearl Harbor. Maybe 6 million Jews wouldn't have been extinguished in the Holocaust. Are you seriously suggesting we should have remained neutral?
"Or imprisoning an entire ethnic group?"
Not a fan, but perhaps you'd care to explain how this makes FDR more conservative as opposed to more authoritarian?
"Or his scheme to pack the supreme court?"
Nowhere in the Constitution does it specify how many justices must be on the SCOTUS. I don't approve of FDR's scheme, but it's not on the same level as Bush's flagrant lawbreaking.
"Or his desire to reform his social programs into "welfare to work" plans?""
Well, like you said, they were his programs to begin with, and they probably would never have existed had Hoover been re-elected.
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| -What if Hillary Clinton loses the election? |
StudentsMustUniteNow |
Jun-29-07 07:39 PM |
#0 |
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How about you say something nice about YOUR candidate |
aquart |
Jun-29-07 07:40 PM |
#1 |
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Unless something has changed... HRC "is" Student's candidate.. |
larissa |
Jun-29-07 07:48 PM |
#3 |
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Are you being sarcastic? n/t |
StudentsMustUniteNow |
Jun-29-07 07:49 PM |
#5 |
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I think she is confusing yours with a similar username. You are an Edwards die-hard no? |
Buck Rabbit |
Jun-29-07 08:00 PM |
#10 |
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Hmmmm... Do we have another Students/etc/etc/etc ? |
larissa |
Jun-29-07 08:06 PM |
#12 |
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I don't have a clear preferred candidate at the moment |
StudentsMustUniteNow |
Jun-29-07 09:47 PM |
#25 |
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Biden? with the disdain you have shown for the DLC? |
rinsd |
Jul-02-07 02:03 PM |
#80 |
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Erm... UMass student here... WRONG! |
nothingtoofear |
Jun-29-07 09:59 PM |
#28 |
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For as much reading as you do, you don't have a clue do you? |
William769 |
Jul-02-07 12:52 PM |
#51 |
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WORD! |
ronnykmarshall |
Jun-29-07 08:48 PM |
#21 |
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Our roots? |
wyldwolf |
Jun-29-07 07:45 PM |
#2 |
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I want another LBJ. Great Society n/t |
StudentsMustUniteNow |
Jun-29-07 07:49 PM |
#4 |
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Unfortunately LBJ Great Society came bundled with LBJ Vietnam War |
NoPasaran |
Jun-29-07 08:11 PM |
#15 |
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"I want another LBJ. Great Society" |
durrrty libby |
Jun-29-07 10:11 PM |
#31 |
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No offense |
ProudDad |
Jul-03-07 01:27 AM |
#161 |
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Imagine that! Proudpoppy means no offense! First time for everything, I guess. |
wyldwolf |
Jul-03-07 04:59 AM |
#176 |
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Johnson followed Kennedy and that was a tough act to follow |
lyonn |
Jul-02-07 01:33 PM |
#68 |
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Oh brother. |
fudge stripe cookays |
Jul-02-07 09:39 PM |
#149 |
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Remember When Democrats Were Democrats? |
MannyGoldstein |
Jun-29-07 08:02 PM |
#11 |
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Revisionist history - the 60s were the only time Democrats were Democrats?? |
wyldwolf |
Jun-30-07 07:02 AM |
#41 |
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The only one revising history is you. |
Alexander |
Jul-02-07 01:08 PM |
#59 |
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I think the revisionism is more on your part |
onenote |
Jul-02-07 05:02 PM |
#126 |
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Nope, and once again, I have evidence to shred your silly claims. |
Alexander |
Jul-02-07 05:27 PM |
#131 |
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Nope, and once again, I have evidence to shred your silly claims. |
wyldwolf |
Jul-02-07 06:17 PM |
#143 |
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Your post didn't say a single thing about JFK's Vietnam policy. |
Alexander |
Jul-03-07 01:10 AM |
#154 |
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Please don't confuse wolfie with facts |
ProudDad |
Jul-03-07 01:38 AM |
#163 |
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proudpoppy - still in the magic world of make believe. |
wyldwolf |
Jul-03-07 04:56 AM |
#174 |
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Too bad you can't refute anything on a factual basis. |
Alexander |
Jul-03-07 05:07 AM |
#180 |
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to bad you have to restort to arguing with published authors. |
wyldwolf |
Jul-03-07 05:48 AM |
#187 |
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Too bad you never addressed my points. |
Alexander |
Jul-03-07 11:04 AM |
#194 |
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I let the published authors do it for me |
wyldwolf |
Jul-03-07 11:09 AM |
#199 |
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Try again. My points remain unaddressed. |
Alexander |
Jul-03-07 11:14 AM |
#202 |
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succeeded the first time. Don't need to "try again." |
wyldwolf |
Jul-03-07 11:16 AM |
#203 |
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You succeeded in creating straw men, which is all you ever do. |
Alexander |
Jul-03-07 11:17 AM |
#205 |
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LOL! Getting touchy, huh? I'll trust the published authors. How many books have you sold again? |
wyldwolf |
Jul-03-07 11:18 AM |
#207 |
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Zero. The same number of times you addressed the points about FDR. |
Alexander |
Jul-03-07 11:21 AM |
#211 |
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That's right.. You've sold ZERO books. But the authors I used to address your points have sold many |
wyldwolf |
Jul-03-07 11:23 AM |
#213 |
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Except one small problem. You never addressed my points. |
Alexander |
Jul-03-07 11:27 AM |
#215 |
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the bigger problem for you: They were addressed. You just didn't like it |
wyldwolf |
Jul-03-07 11:28 AM |
#217 |
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So? Since when do you set the agenda? As you said: Game Over, Thanks For Playing |
wyldwolf |
Jul-03-07 04:55 AM |
#173 |
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I don't. That was Kennedy's agenda. Do you read anything? |
Alexander |
Jul-03-07 05:04 AM |
#178 |
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you tried, by attempting to dictate how to discuss it. Do you read your own posts? |
wyldwolf |
Jul-03-07 05:49 AM |
#188 |
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You tried to tell me something about JFK that was untrue... |
Alexander |
Jul-03-07 11:05 AM |
#195 |
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you're arguing with published authors. Looks desperate for you. |
wyldwolf |
Jul-03-07 11:08 AM |
#197 |
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Not only are you creating straw men and arguing with published authors... |
Alexander |
Jul-03-07 11:13 AM |
#201 |
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ah. Playground antics. I demonstrate how you're arguing with published authors... |
wyldwolf |
Jul-03-07 11:17 AM |
#206 |
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This from the guy who repeated himself over 50 times in a thread. |
Alexander |
Jul-03-07 11:23 AM |
#212 |
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There's another example of your playground antics. |
wyldwolf |
Jul-03-07 11:29 AM |
#218 |
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right. And don't forget that JFK proposed cutting tax rates on the rich |
onenote |
Jul-02-07 04:53 PM |
#123 |
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exactly right. |
wyldwolf |
Jul-02-07 06:18 PM |
#144 |
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And who raised taxes in the first place? |
Alexander |
Jul-03-07 02:32 AM |
#171 |
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"It means nothing" because it undercuts your argument. |
wyldwolf |
Jul-03-07 04:57 AM |
#175 |
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No, it means nothing because Democrats raised taxes to that point... |
Alexander |
Jul-03-07 05:06 AM |
#179 |
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and it undercuts your argument |
wyldwolf |
Jul-03-07 05:47 AM |
#186 |
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Progressive taxation undercuts my argument? |
Alexander |
Jul-03-07 11:06 AM |
#196 |
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the fact JFK did something associated with the Right undercuts it. |
wyldwolf |
Jul-03-07 11:10 AM |
#200 |
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Not really, because of Vietnam... |
Alexander |
Jul-03-07 11:16 AM |
#204 |
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he lowered the taxes on the rich because of Viet nam? LOL! |
wyldwolf |
Jul-03-07 11:19 AM |
#208 |
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No. Obviously you just can't read very well. |
Alexander |
Jul-03-07 11:25 AM |
#214 |
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hey, I'm only repeating what you said. |
wyldwolf |
Jul-03-07 11:31 AM |
#219 |
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As if the DLC would give a shit about |
ProudDad |
Jul-03-07 01:40 AM |
#164 |
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Revisionist? |
ProudDad |
Jul-03-07 01:37 AM |
#162 |
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Proudpop's daily agenda: First, find posts by wyldwolf. Proudpop has a crush on wyldwolf, ya know |
wyldwolf |
Jul-03-07 04:53 AM |
#172 |
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I don't hunt out your posts, wolfie, |
ProudDad |
Jul-03-07 12:51 PM |
#222 |
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Abortion. Gay Rights. Civil Rights. Public Services. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Jul-03-07 12:29 PM |
#221 |
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WORD 2 |
ronnykmarshall |
Jun-29-07 08:48 PM |
#22 |
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Carter would've won in a landslide... |
Hippo_Tron |
Jun-29-07 10:12 PM |
#32 |
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You may be right about Carter and Hart... |
hughee99 |
Jul-02-07 12:59 PM |
#56 |
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shoulda, coulda, woulda |
onenote |
Jul-02-07 05:06 PM |
#127 |
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Because of Mondale's use of the Wendy's "Where's the beef?" slogan... |
Alexander |
Jul-03-07 02:24 AM |
#169 |
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20/20 hindsight |
onenote |
Jul-03-07 10:29 AM |
#193 |
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Mondale's convention "bounce" was negated... |
Alexander |
Jul-03-07 11:09 AM |
#198 |
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I'd call Carter a centrist |
seasat |
Jul-02-07 01:52 PM |
#76 |
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Nope wolfie |
ProudDad |
Jul-03-07 01:26 AM |
#160 |
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Then It's All Over For Us |
MannyGoldstein |
Jun-29-07 07:52 PM |
#6 |
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Don't forget how long since a sitting Senator was elected. |
jaysunb |
Jun-29-07 08:14 PM |
#16 |
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We have to go back to work convincing voters that the idea of |
MGKrebs |
Jun-29-07 07:54 PM |
#7 |
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You've got it! |
ProudDad |
Jul-03-07 01:42 AM |
#165 |
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You are so fucking obsessed with HRC, I'm worried for her |
durrrty libby |
Jun-29-07 07:56 PM |
#8 |
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If our candidate, whomever that is, doesn't win the White House, it's not the end of |
pinto |
Jun-29-07 07:57 PM |
#9 |
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Any Democratic President will have profound changes on the political dynamics. |
Old and In the Way |
Jun-29-07 08:56 PM |
#23 |
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We haven't had a primary yet. |
wakemeupwhenitsover |
Jun-29-07 08:08 PM |
#13 |
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IT would be a Win Win for the DLC |
wakeme2008 |
Jun-29-07 08:09 PM |
#14 |
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If we nominate her, we will lose the presidency. |
Oregonian |
Jun-29-07 08:27 PM |
#17 |
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Groan - blah |
emilyg |
Jun-29-07 08:32 PM |
#18 |
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I am so ashamed of some women. They are pathetically ignorant |
durrrty libby |
Jun-29-07 08:42 PM |
#19 |
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Many are ignorant...both men and women |
calteacherguy |
Jun-29-07 10:27 PM |
#35 |
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I tend to agree, at one time I also thought Democratic party would be assertive. |
gordianot |
Jun-29-07 08:45 PM |
#20 |
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Perhaps consideration of her as our nominee should make you think. |
MGKrebs |
Jun-29-07 09:05 PM |
#24 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Jun-29-07 09:48 PM |
#26 |
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I truly pity your students and hope you get charged for your crimes |
durrrty libby |
Jun-29-07 10:06 PM |
#29 |
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What crimes? nt |
calteacherguy |
Jun-29-07 10:25 PM |
#34 |
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Hillary lose? Dance, dance dance. Time to party!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
illinoisprogressive |
Jun-29-07 09:52 PM |
#27 |
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Still feeling looosey? hehe heh |
durrrty libby |
Jun-29-07 10:07 PM |
#30 |
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I don't think we need to go back to our roots, I think we need to move forward |
Hippo_Tron |
Jun-29-07 10:19 PM |
#33 |
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Agree. We need to move forward. A Dem Prez w/ a Dem Congress will enable that. |
pinto |
Jun-29-07 10:28 PM |
#36 |
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OK, for a start |
ProudDad |
Jul-03-07 01:51 AM |
#166 |
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Who are the other DLC candidates in the primary race? |
PBass |
Jun-30-07 01:19 AM |
#37 |
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Half are or were associated with the DLC |
seasat |
Jul-02-07 01:45 PM |
#72 |
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All the major contenders then are DLC |
lyonn |
Jul-02-07 02:00 PM |
#78 |
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Misspeak like Dean? |
Le Taz Hot |
Jul-03-07 08:56 AM |
#190 |
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Indeed true |
ProudDad |
Jul-03-07 01:54 AM |
#167 |
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...then we are fucked |
sampsonblk |
Jun-30-07 01:22 AM |
#38 |
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What is Hillary tenacious about? |
lyonn |
Jul-02-07 02:14 PM |
#87 |
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She is going to lose the primaries, because of the type of question you just asked |
Nimrod2005 |
Jun-30-07 06:18 AM |
#39 |
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Buck up, mateys! |
Perry Logan |
Jun-30-07 06:40 AM |
#40 |
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I'm greedy, I want it all. |
lyonn |
Jul-02-07 02:25 PM |
#90 |
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I don't think she'll make it out of primaries |
tammywammy |
Jun-30-07 11:19 AM |
#42 |
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I'm confused? |
sleipnir |
Jul-02-07 11:05 AM |
#43 |
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You forgot 1992 and 1996 |
Freddie Stubbs |
Jul-02-07 11:52 AM |
#44 |
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Different era n/t |
StudentsMustUniteNow |
Jul-02-07 11:58 AM |
#45 |
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Different indeed. Democrats are now smart enough not to nominate candidates who were so far to the |
Freddie Stubbs |
Jul-02-07 12:05 PM |
#46 |
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You mean like FDR? |
Alexander |
Jul-02-07 12:52 PM |
#50 |
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FDR was hardly "to the left." Discuss? |
wyldwolf |
Jul-02-07 12:57 PM |
#55 |
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I have a feeling you have heard the last of Alexander... |
SaveElmer |
Jul-02-07 01:07 PM |
#58 |
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By all means, feel free to chime in... |
Alexander |
Jul-02-07 01:16 PM |
#61 |
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FDR threatened to drop out in 1940 if Henry Wallace wasn't his running mate. |
Alexander |
Jul-02-07 01:15 PM |
#60 |
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No he didn't. |
wyldwolf |
Jul-02-07 01:22 PM |
#64 |
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Or pandering to southern racists to dampen their opposition to the New Deal... |
SaveElmer |
Jul-02-07 01:32 PM |
#67 |
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While at the same time ensuring that black voters would remain Democrats for decades... |
Alexander |
Jul-02-07 01:47 PM |
#73 |
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In other words then... |
SaveElmer |
Jul-02-07 02:04 PM |
#81 |
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Adding countless new federal programs was "triangulation"? |
Alexander |
Jul-02-07 02:27 PM |
#92 |
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Triangulation... |
SaveElmer |
Jul-02-07 02:41 PM |
#96 |
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Triangulation is avoiding taking a position on either the "left" or the "right"... |
Alexander |
Jul-02-07 03:06 PM |
#100 |
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... |
SaveElmer |
Jul-02-07 03:13 PM |
#104 |
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? |
Alexander |
Jul-02-07 03:40 PM |
#108 |
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"Triangulation" is a misnomer |
ProudDad |
Jul-03-07 01:56 AM |
#168 |
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Again you expect me to believe YOU over quotes from FDR's own mouth... |
Alexander |
Jul-02-07 01:38 PM |
#69 |
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what have you posted that came from FDR's own mouth? |
wyldwolf |
Jul-02-07 02:09 PM |
#84 |
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Step 1) Read post #69. Step 2) Read the bold text. |
Alexander |
Jul-02-07 02:31 PM |
#93 |
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you posted someone's paraphrasing of his words |
wyldwolf |
Jul-02-07 03:10 PM |
#103 |
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Did FDR not threaten to refuse the nomination without Wallace in 1940? |
Alexander |
Jul-02-07 03:32 PM |
#107 |
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Since you're using "quotes from FDR's own mouth..." as a selling point... |
wyldwolf |
Jul-02-07 03:44 PM |
#109 |
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I find it odd that you can't cite your "pages of info" you supposedly have |
Alexander |
Jul-02-07 03:57 PM |
#112 |
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I've seen no need to. Since you've stated "quotes from FDR's own mouth..." are the only... |
wyldwolf |
Jul-02-07 04:04 PM |
#115 |
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Your dishonesty continues - I have said no such thing. |
Alexander |
Jul-02-07 04:18 PM |
#119 |
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You're the dishonest one |
wyldwolf |
Jul-02-07 05:14 PM |
#129 |
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Not quite. Your sources don't say what you claim. |
Alexander |
Jul-02-07 05:46 PM |
#132 |
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Spot on accurate |
wyldwolf |
Jul-02-07 06:06 PM |
#139 |
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Exactly. FDR did not view himself as a liberal. |
Zynx |
Jul-02-07 06:52 PM |
#147 |
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So? East Germany saw themselves as a "Democratic Republic". |
Alexander |
Jul-03-07 12:58 AM |
#151 |
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Yes, I was. Thanks. |
Alexander |
Jul-03-07 01:03 AM |
#152 |
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Again, you're tryin to spin the sources because they undercut your argument |
wyldwolf |
Jul-03-07 05:04 AM |
#177 |
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And again, you can't refute anything I've said. |
Alexander |
Jul-03-07 05:16 AM |
#182 |
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don't have to. The books I cited did it for me. |
wyldwolf |
Jul-03-07 05:46 AM |
#185 |
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No, you addressed completely different issues. |
Alexander |
Jul-03-07 11:20 AM |
#209 |
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no, you shifted once I cited the sources |
wyldwolf |
Jul-03-07 11:21 AM |
#210 |
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1) FDR threatened to drop out in 1940. Still no source refuting that point. |
Alexander |
Jul-03-07 11:28 AM |
#216 |
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My sources refuted you overall points on Wallace. |
wyldwolf |
Jul-03-07 11:32 AM |
#220 |
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He gave up on Wallace in 1944 in favor of Truman. |
Zynx |
Jul-02-07 06:00 PM |
#137 |
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almost exactly. FDR was strongly considering it for several years |
wyldwolf |
Jul-02-07 06:07 PM |
#140 |
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One thing I got out of the Truman biography is that FDR didn't have |
Zynx |
Jul-02-07 06:12 PM |
#142 |
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he struggled with it, but there was evidence to suggest Wallace was... |
wyldwolf |
Jul-02-07 06:22 PM |
#145 |
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I think one can objectively conclude from a variety of incidents that |
Zynx |
Jul-02-07 06:50 PM |
#146 |
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Despite the mindless parroting you guys like so much... |
Alexander |
Jul-03-07 01:09 AM |
#153 |
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You yourself said he was "pressured" into it. |
Alexander |
Jul-03-07 12:55 AM |
#150 |
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You forgot that Hillary doesn't have Bill's charisma. |
Alexander |
Jul-02-07 12:50 PM |
#49 |
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No candidate does, but you can bet he will be doing a lot of campaigning for her |
Freddie Stubbs |
Jul-02-07 02:55 PM |
#98 |
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So? He's not the candidate. She is. |
Alexander |
Jul-02-07 03:08 PM |
#101 |
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Bill Clinton won |
Le Taz Hot |
Jul-03-07 08:59 AM |
#191 |
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Slick Willy and hundreds of millions of dollars |
ProudDad |
Jul-03-07 12:55 PM |
#223 |
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Kerry was not "DLC" |
MH1 |
Jul-02-07 12:08 PM |
#47 |
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yes he was |
wyldwolf |
Jul-02-07 12:12 PM |
#48 |
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Tell that to James Carville... |
Alexander |
Jul-02-07 12:53 PM |
#52 |
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Don't need to |
wyldwolf |
Jul-02-07 12:55 PM |
#53 |
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So why did Carville tell his wife about Kerry's election night strategy? |
Alexander |
Jul-02-07 01:17 PM |
#62 |
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what does that have to do with Kerry's membership in the DLC? |
wyldwolf |
Jul-02-07 01:24 PM |
#65 |
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I never claimed he wasn't a member... |
Alexander |
Jul-02-07 01:52 PM |
#75 |
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this is what happens when someone answers for someone else |
wyldwolf |
Jul-02-07 02:11 PM |
#86 |
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What I said remains accurate. Kerry is not welcomed by very many in the DLC. |
Alexander |
Jul-02-07 02:34 PM |
#94 |
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you have no proof of that |
wyldwolf |
Jul-02-07 03:08 PM |
#102 |
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So I guess Carville's potshots at Dean don't constitute proof? |
Alexander |
Jul-02-07 03:45 PM |
#110 |
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no, Carville is not an elected Democrat or a board member of the DLC |
wyldwolf |
Jul-02-07 03:53 PM |
#111 |
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Exactly... |
Alexander |
Jul-02-07 04:01 PM |
#113 |
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what in the world does this have to do with John Kerry being in the DLC? |
wyldwolf |
Jul-02-07 04:08 PM |
#118 |
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I'm simply pointing out the extent of his relationship with the DLC. |
Alexander |
Jul-02-07 04:25 PM |
#120 |
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Facts are stubborn things |
BlueDogDemocratNH |
Jul-02-07 05:59 PM |
#136 |
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Carville, From, etc. have made no secret of their contempt for progressive Democrats. |
Alexander |
Jul-03-07 01:14 AM |
#155 |
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Why did Kerry's campaign tell carville? |
MonkeyFunk |
Jul-02-07 01:45 PM |
#71 |
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Because Kerry thought Carville was a loyal Democrat? |
Alexander |
Jul-02-07 01:49 PM |
#74 |
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Or maybe |
MonkeyFunk |
Jul-02-07 02:10 PM |
#85 |
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Do you have any source or evidence indicating that? |
Alexander |
Jul-02-07 02:40 PM |
#95 |
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No, I don't have proof that it wasn't a secret |
MonkeyFunk |
Jul-02-07 04:04 PM |
#116 |
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Maybe it was a secret, maybe it wasn't. |
Alexander |
Jul-02-07 05:00 PM |
#124 |
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So because Carville disagrees with Howard Dean.... |
MonkeyFunk |
Jul-02-07 05:13 PM |
#128 |
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Because he said Dean was "incompetent" in 2006 |
Alexander |
Jul-02-07 05:50 PM |
#133 |
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You're making quite a leap... |
MonkeyFunk |
Jul-02-07 06:04 PM |
#138 |
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You're creating a straw man... |
Alexander |
Jul-03-07 01:17 AM |
#156 |
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"Kerry was DLC" |
BlueDogDemocratNH |
Jul-02-07 05:55 PM |
#135 |
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Oh, please! |
Le Taz Hot |
Jul-03-07 09:04 AM |
#192 |
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She goes back to the Senate? |
ronnykmarshall |
Jul-02-07 12:56 PM |
#54 |
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what about 1992, 1996 |
sabbat hunter |
Jul-02-07 01:01 PM |
#57 |
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Yes, Bill Clinton had something called CHARISMA. |
Alexander |
Jul-02-07 01:19 PM |
#63 |
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a trait which seems absent in MOST politicians. Your point? |
wyldwolf |
Jul-02-07 01:25 PM |
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It isn't obvious? Politicians with charisma WIN. |
Alexander |
Jul-02-07 01:59 PM |
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the DLC recruited Clinton and he ran on their policies |
wyldwolf |
Jul-02-07 02:06 PM |
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So? He won mainly based on his own charisma. |
Alexander |
Jul-02-07 02:49 PM |
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there is no evidence of that. And Perot was not a factor. |
wyldwolf |
Jul-02-07 03:22 PM |
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No evidence of his charisma? How about the name "Slick Willie"? |
Alexander |
Jul-02-07 04:04 PM |
#114 |
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no, no evidence that that won the election |
wyldwolf |
Jul-02-07 04:06 PM |
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By that token, there's no evidence pro-DLC policies won the 1992 election. |
Alexander |
Jul-02-07 04:27 PM |
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actually, there is |
wyldwolf |
Jul-02-07 04:45 PM |
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There's no evidence those issues caused Clinton to WIN. |
Alexander |
Jul-02-07 05:02 PM |
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of course there is |
wyldwolf |
Jul-02-07 05:16 PM |
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That's not evidence. That's bullshit. |
Alexander |
Jul-02-07 05:53 PM |
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it's bullshit to you because you hate to be wrong |
wyldwolf |
Jul-02-07 06:10 PM |
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Jul-03-07 01:22 AM |
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nope. Not denyiny Clinton's charisma. But you're denying the effects of his platform |
wyldwolf |
Jul-03-07 05:08 AM |
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Jul-03-07 05:20 AM |
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because it isn't 1992 anymore. |
wyldwolf |
Jul-03-07 05:45 AM |
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That is exactly what won Clinton the election |
Ethelk2044 |
Jul-02-07 06:55 PM |
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Thank you - good to see some common sense in this thread. |
Alexander |
Jul-03-07 01:24 AM |
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Exactly, I voted against those 3 for that very reason |
lyonn |
Jul-02-07 02:57 PM |
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the Democratic candidate will WIN the election |
AtomicKitten |
Jul-02-07 01:42 PM |
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Agreed. |
Alexander |
Jul-02-07 02:01 PM |
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Forget it, AK. |
rinsd |
Jul-02-07 02:05 PM |
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If the Democrat is going to win, no matter WHO we run..... |
ClassWarfare2008 |
Jul-02-07 02:16 PM |
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My prediction will come true. EOM |
lojasmo |
Jul-02-07 02:20 PM |
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Personally, I don't worry too much about whether a candidate is DLC |
seasat |
Jul-02-07 02:26 PM |
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What if the sun doesn't come up tomorrow! |
churchofreality |
Jul-02-07 03:19 PM |
#105 |
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That would mean |
ProudDad |
Jul-03-07 01:22 AM |
#157 |
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Then we enjoy what President Gore has to offer. |
Alexander |
Jul-03-07 02:29 AM |
#170 |
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More Scooter Libbys to pardon. |
sleipnir |
Jul-03-07 08:40 AM |
#189 |
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Locking |
The Magistrate |
Jul-03-07 01:01 PM |
#224 |