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31.  "I want another LBJ. Great Society"
You have been brainwashed, Your future is lost. Oh well
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  -What if Hillary Clinton loses the election? StudentsMustUniteNow  Jun-29-07 07:39 PM   #0 
  - How about you say something nice about YOUR candidate  aquart   Jun-29-07 07:40 PM   #1 
  - Unless something has changed... HRC "is" Student's candidate..  larissa   Jun-29-07 07:48 PM   #3 
  - Are you being sarcastic? n/t  StudentsMustUniteNow   Jun-29-07 07:49 PM   #5 
  - I think she is confusing yours with a similar username. You are an Edwards die-hard no?  Buck Rabbit   Jun-29-07 08:00 PM   #10 
     - Hmmmm... Do we have another Students/etc/etc/etc ?  larissa   Jun-29-07 08:06 PM   #12 
        - I don't have a clear preferred candidate at the moment  StudentsMustUniteNow   Jun-29-07 09:47 PM   #25 
           - Biden? with the disdain you have shown for the DLC?  rinsd   Jul-02-07 02:03 PM   #80 
  - Erm... UMass student here... WRONG!  nothingtoofear   Jun-29-07 09:59 PM   #28 
  - For as much reading as you do, you don't have a clue do you?  William769   Jul-02-07 12:52 PM   #51 
  - WORD!  ronnykmarshall   Jun-29-07 08:48 PM   #21 
  - Our roots?  wyldwolf   Jun-29-07 07:45 PM   #2 
  - I want another LBJ. Great Society n/t  StudentsMustUniteNow   Jun-29-07 07:49 PM   #4 
  - Unfortunately LBJ Great Society came bundled with LBJ Vietnam War  NoPasaran   Jun-29-07 08:11 PM   #15 
  - "I want another LBJ. Great Society"  durrrty libby   Jun-29-07 10:11 PM   #31 
  - No offense  ProudDad   Jul-03-07 01:27 AM   #161 
     - Imagine that! Proudpoppy means no offense! First time for everything, I guess.  wyldwolf   Jul-03-07 04:59 AM   #176 
  - Johnson followed Kennedy and that was a tough act to follow  lyonn   Jul-02-07 01:33 PM   #68 
  - Oh brother.  fudge stripe cookays   Jul-02-07 09:39 PM   #149 
  - Remember When Democrats Were Democrats?  MannyGoldstein   Jun-29-07 08:02 PM   #11 
  - Revisionist history - the 60s were the only time Democrats were Democrats??  wyldwolf   Jun-30-07 07:02 AM   #41 
  - The only one revising history is you.  Alexander   Jul-02-07 01:08 PM   #59 
  - I think the revisionism is more on your part  onenote   Jul-02-07 05:02 PM   #126 
     - Nope, and once again, I have evidence to shred your silly claims.  Alexander   Jul-02-07 05:27 PM   #131 
        - Nope, and once again, I have evidence to shred your silly claims.  wyldwolf   Jul-02-07 06:17 PM   #143 
           - Your post didn't say a single thing about JFK's Vietnam policy.  Alexander   Jul-03-07 01:10 AM   #154 
              - Please don't confuse wolfie with facts  ProudDad   Jul-03-07 01:38 AM   #163 
              - proudpoppy - still in the magic world of make believe.  wyldwolf   Jul-03-07 04:56 AM   #174 
                 - Too bad you can't refute anything on a factual basis.  Alexander   Jul-03-07 05:07 AM   #180 
                    - to bad you have to restort to arguing with published authors.  wyldwolf   Jul-03-07 05:48 AM   #187 
                       - Too bad you never addressed my points.  Alexander   Jul-03-07 11:04 AM   #194 
                          - I let the published authors do it for me  wyldwolf   Jul-03-07 11:09 AM   #199 
                             - Try again. My points remain unaddressed.  Alexander   Jul-03-07 11:14 AM   #202 
                                - succeeded the first time. Don't need to "try again."  wyldwolf   Jul-03-07 11:16 AM   #203 
                                   - You succeeded in creating straw men, which is all you ever do.  Alexander   Jul-03-07 11:17 AM   #205 
                                      - LOL! Getting touchy, huh? I'll trust the published authors. How many books have you sold again?  wyldwolf   Jul-03-07 11:18 AM   #207 
                                         - Zero. The same number of times you addressed the points about FDR.  Alexander   Jul-03-07 11:21 AM   #211 
                                         - That's right.. You've sold ZERO books. But the authors I used to address your points have sold many  wyldwolf   Jul-03-07 11:23 AM   #213 
                                         - Except one small problem. You never addressed my points.  Alexander   Jul-03-07 11:27 AM   #215 
                                         - the bigger problem for you: They were addressed. You just didn't like it  wyldwolf   Jul-03-07 11:28 AM   #217 
              - So? Since when do you set the agenda? As you said: Game Over, Thanks For Playing  wyldwolf   Jul-03-07 04:55 AM   #173 
                 - I don't. That was Kennedy's agenda. Do you read anything?  Alexander   Jul-03-07 05:04 AM   #178 
                    - you tried, by attempting to dictate how to discuss it. Do you read your own posts?  wyldwolf   Jul-03-07 05:49 AM   #188 
                       - You tried to tell me something about JFK that was untrue...  Alexander   Jul-03-07 11:05 AM   #195 
                          - you're arguing with published authors. Looks desperate for you.  wyldwolf   Jul-03-07 11:08 AM   #197 
                             - Not only are you creating straw men and arguing with published authors...  Alexander   Jul-03-07 11:13 AM   #201 
                                - ah. Playground antics. I demonstrate how you're arguing with published authors...  wyldwolf   Jul-03-07 11:17 AM   #206 
                                   - This from the guy who repeated himself over 50 times in a thread.  Alexander   Jul-03-07 11:23 AM   #212 
                                      - There's another example of your playground antics.  wyldwolf   Jul-03-07 11:29 AM   #218 
  - right. And don't forget that JFK proposed cutting tax rates on the rich  onenote   Jul-02-07 04:53 PM   #123 
  - exactly right.  wyldwolf   Jul-02-07 06:18 PM   #144 
  - And who raised taxes in the first place?  Alexander   Jul-03-07 02:32 AM   #171 
     - "It means nothing" because it undercuts your argument.  wyldwolf   Jul-03-07 04:57 AM   #175 
        - No, it means nothing because Democrats raised taxes to that point...  Alexander   Jul-03-07 05:06 AM   #179 
           - and it undercuts your argument  wyldwolf   Jul-03-07 05:47 AM   #186 
              - Progressive taxation undercuts my argument?  Alexander   Jul-03-07 11:06 AM   #196 
                 - the fact JFK did something associated with the Right undercuts it.  wyldwolf   Jul-03-07 11:10 AM   #200 
                    - Not really, because of Vietnam...  Alexander   Jul-03-07 11:16 AM   #204 
                       - he lowered the taxes on the rich because of Viet nam? LOL!  wyldwolf   Jul-03-07 11:19 AM   #208 
                          - No. Obviously you just can't read very well.  Alexander   Jul-03-07 11:25 AM   #214 
                             - hey, I'm only repeating what you said.  wyldwolf   Jul-03-07 11:31 AM   #219 
  - As if the DLC would give a shit about  ProudDad   Jul-03-07 01:40 AM   #164 
  - Revisionist?  ProudDad   Jul-03-07 01:37 AM   #162 
     - Proudpop's daily agenda: First, find posts by wyldwolf. Proudpop has a crush on wyldwolf, ya know  wyldwolf   Jul-03-07 04:53 AM   #172 
        - I don't hunt out your posts, wolfie,  ProudDad   Jul-03-07 12:51 PM   #222 
  - Abortion. Gay Rights. Civil Rights. Public Services.  Donald Ian Rankin   Jul-03-07 12:29 PM   #221 
  - WORD 2  ronnykmarshall   Jun-29-07 08:48 PM   #22 
  - Carter would've won in a landslide...  Hippo_Tron   Jun-29-07 10:12 PM   #32 
  - You may be right about Carter and Hart...  hughee99   Jul-02-07 12:59 PM   #56 
  - shoulda, coulda, woulda  onenote   Jul-02-07 05:06 PM   #127 
     - Because of Mondale's use of the Wendy's "Where's the beef?" slogan...  Alexander   Jul-03-07 02:24 AM   #169 
        - 20/20 hindsight  onenote   Jul-03-07 10:29 AM   #193 
           - Mondale's convention "bounce" was negated...  Alexander   Jul-03-07 11:09 AM   #198 
  - I'd call Carter a centrist  seasat   Jul-02-07 01:52 PM   #76 
  - Nope wolfie  ProudDad   Jul-03-07 01:26 AM   #160 
  - Then It's All Over For Us  MannyGoldstein   Jun-29-07 07:52 PM   #6 
  - Don't forget how long since a sitting Senator was elected.  jaysunb   Jun-29-07 08:14 PM   #16 
  - We have to go back to work convincing voters that the idea of  MGKrebs   Jun-29-07 07:54 PM   #7 
  - You've got it!  ProudDad   Jul-03-07 01:42 AM   #165 
  - You are so fucking obsessed with HRC, I'm worried for her  durrrty libby   Jun-29-07 07:56 PM   #8 
  - If our candidate, whomever that is, doesn't win the White House, it's not the end of  pinto   Jun-29-07 07:57 PM   #9 
  - Any Democratic President will have profound changes on the political dynamics.  Old and In the Way   Jun-29-07 08:56 PM   #23 
  - We haven't had a primary yet.  wakemeupwhenitsover   Jun-29-07 08:08 PM   #13 
  - IT would be a Win Win for the DLC  wakeme2008   Jun-29-07 08:09 PM   #14 
  - If we nominate her, we will lose the presidency.  Oregonian   Jun-29-07 08:27 PM   #17 
  - Groan - blah  emilyg   Jun-29-07 08:32 PM   #18 
  - I am so ashamed of some women. They are pathetically ignorant  durrrty libby   Jun-29-07 08:42 PM   #19 
  - Many are ignorant...both men and women  calteacherguy   Jun-29-07 10:27 PM   #35 
  - I tend to agree, at one time I also thought Democratic party would be assertive.  gordianot   Jun-29-07 08:45 PM   #20 
  - Perhaps consideration of her as our nominee should make you think.  MGKrebs   Jun-29-07 09:05 PM   #24 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-29-07 09:48 PM   #26 
  - I truly pity your students and hope you get charged for your crimes  durrrty libby   Jun-29-07 10:06 PM   #29 
     - What crimes? nt  calteacherguy   Jun-29-07 10:25 PM   #34 
  - Hillary lose? Dance, dance dance. Time to party!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  illinoisprogressive   Jun-29-07 09:52 PM   #27 
  - Still feeling looosey? hehe heh  durrrty libby   Jun-29-07 10:07 PM   #30 
  - I don't think we need to go back to our roots, I think we need to move forward  Hippo_Tron   Jun-29-07 10:19 PM   #33 
  - Agree. We need to move forward. A Dem Prez w/ a Dem Congress will enable that.  pinto   Jun-29-07 10:28 PM   #36 
  - OK, for a start  ProudDad   Jul-03-07 01:51 AM   #166 
  - Who are the other DLC candidates in the primary race?  PBass   Jun-30-07 01:19 AM   #37 
  - Half are or were associated with the DLC  seasat   Jul-02-07 01:45 PM   #72 
     - All the major contenders then are DLC  lyonn   Jul-02-07 02:00 PM   #78 
     - Misspeak like Dean?  Le Taz Hot   Jul-03-07 08:56 AM   #190 
     - Indeed true  ProudDad   Jul-03-07 01:54 AM   #167 
  - ...then we are fucked  sampsonblk   Jun-30-07 01:22 AM   #38 
  - What is Hillary tenacious about?  lyonn   Jul-02-07 02:14 PM   #87 
  - She is going to lose the primaries, because of the type of question you just asked  Nimrod2005   Jun-30-07 06:18 AM   #39 
  - Buck up, mateys!  Perry Logan   Jun-30-07 06:40 AM   #40 
  - I'm greedy, I want it all.  lyonn   Jul-02-07 02:25 PM   #90 
  - I don't think she'll make it out of primaries  tammywammy   Jun-30-07 11:19 AM   #42 
  - I'm confused?  sleipnir   Jul-02-07 11:05 AM   #43 
  - You forgot 1992 and 1996  Freddie Stubbs   Jul-02-07 11:52 AM   #44 
  - Different era n/t  StudentsMustUniteNow   Jul-02-07 11:58 AM   #45 
  - Different indeed. Democrats are now smart enough not to nominate candidates who were so far to the  Freddie Stubbs   Jul-02-07 12:05 PM   #46 
     - You mean like FDR?  Alexander   Jul-02-07 12:52 PM   #50 
        - FDR was hardly "to the left." Discuss?  wyldwolf   Jul-02-07 12:57 PM   #55 
           - I have a feeling you have heard the last of Alexander...  SaveElmer   Jul-02-07 01:07 PM   #58 
           - By all means, feel free to chime in...  Alexander   Jul-02-07 01:16 PM   #61 
           - FDR threatened to drop out in 1940 if Henry Wallace wasn't his running mate.  Alexander   Jul-02-07 01:15 PM   #60 
              - No he didn't.  wyldwolf   Jul-02-07 01:22 PM   #64 
              - Or pandering to southern racists to dampen their opposition to the New Deal...  SaveElmer   Jul-02-07 01:32 PM   #67 
              - While at the same time ensuring that black voters would remain Democrats for decades...  Alexander   Jul-02-07 01:47 PM   #73 
                 - In other words then...  SaveElmer   Jul-02-07 02:04 PM   #81 
                    - Adding countless new federal programs was "triangulation"?  Alexander   Jul-02-07 02:27 PM   #92 
                       - Triangulation...  SaveElmer   Jul-02-07 02:41 PM   #96 
                          - Triangulation is avoiding taking a position on either the "left" or the "right"...  Alexander   Jul-02-07 03:06 PM   #100 
                             - ...  SaveElmer   Jul-02-07 03:13 PM   #104 
                                - ?  Alexander   Jul-02-07 03:40 PM   #108 
                                - "Triangulation" is a misnomer  ProudDad   Jul-03-07 01:56 AM   #168 
              - Again you expect me to believe YOU over quotes from FDR's own mouth...  Alexander   Jul-02-07 01:38 PM   #69 
                 - what have you posted that came from FDR's own mouth?  wyldwolf   Jul-02-07 02:09 PM   #84 
                    - Step 1) Read post #69. Step 2) Read the bold text.  Alexander   Jul-02-07 02:31 PM   #93 
                       - you posted someone's paraphrasing of his words  wyldwolf   Jul-02-07 03:10 PM   #103 
                          - Did FDR not threaten to refuse the nomination without Wallace in 1940?  Alexander   Jul-02-07 03:32 PM   #107 
                             - Since you're using "quotes from FDR's own mouth..." as a selling point...  wyldwolf   Jul-02-07 03:44 PM   #109 
                                - I find it odd that you can't cite your "pages of info" you supposedly have  Alexander   Jul-02-07 03:57 PM   #112 
                                   - I've seen no need to. Since you've stated "quotes from FDR's own mouth..." are the only...  wyldwolf   Jul-02-07 04:04 PM   #115 
                                      - Your dishonesty continues - I have said no such thing.  Alexander   Jul-02-07 04:18 PM   #119 
                                         - You're the dishonest one  wyldwolf   Jul-02-07 05:14 PM   #129 
                                            - Not quite. Your sources don't say what you claim.  Alexander   Jul-02-07 05:46 PM   #132 
                                               - Spot on accurate  wyldwolf   Jul-02-07 06:06 PM   #139 
                                               - Exactly. FDR did not view himself as a liberal.  Zynx   Jul-02-07 06:52 PM   #147 
                                               - So? East Germany saw themselves as a "Democratic Republic".  Alexander   Jul-03-07 12:58 AM   #151 
                                               - Yes, I was. Thanks.  Alexander   Jul-03-07 01:03 AM   #152 
                                               - Again, you're tryin to spin the sources because they undercut your argument  wyldwolf   Jul-03-07 05:04 AM   #177 
                                               - And again, you can't refute anything I've said.  Alexander   Jul-03-07 05:16 AM   #182 
                                               - don't have to. The books I cited did it for me.  wyldwolf   Jul-03-07 05:46 AM   #185 
                                               - No, you addressed completely different issues.  Alexander   Jul-03-07 11:20 AM   #209 
                                               - no, you shifted once I cited the sources  wyldwolf   Jul-03-07 11:21 AM   #210 
                                               - 1) FDR threatened to drop out in 1940. Still no source refuting that point.  Alexander   Jul-03-07 11:28 AM   #216 
                                               - My sources refuted you overall points on Wallace.  wyldwolf   Jul-03-07 11:32 AM   #220 
              - He gave up on Wallace in 1944 in favor of Truman.  Zynx   Jul-02-07 06:00 PM   #137 
                 - almost exactly. FDR was strongly considering it for several years  wyldwolf   Jul-02-07 06:07 PM   #140 
                 - One thing I got out of the Truman biography is that FDR didn't have  Zynx   Jul-02-07 06:12 PM   #142 
                    - he struggled with it, but there was evidence to suggest Wallace was...  wyldwolf   Jul-02-07 06:22 PM   #145 
                       - I think one can objectively conclude from a variety of incidents that  Zynx   Jul-02-07 06:50 PM   #146 
                          - Despite the mindless parroting you guys like so much...  Alexander   Jul-03-07 01:09 AM   #153 
                 - You yourself said he was "pressured" into it.  Alexander   Jul-03-07 12:55 AM   #150 
  - You forgot that Hillary doesn't have Bill's charisma.  Alexander   Jul-02-07 12:50 PM   #49 
  - No candidate does, but you can bet he will be doing a lot of campaigning for her  Freddie Stubbs   Jul-02-07 02:55 PM   #98 
     - So? He's not the candidate. She is.  Alexander   Jul-02-07 03:08 PM   #101 
  - Bill Clinton won  Le Taz Hot   Jul-03-07 08:59 AM   #191 
  - Slick Willy and hundreds of millions of dollars  ProudDad   Jul-03-07 12:55 PM   #223 
  - Kerry was not "DLC"  MH1   Jul-02-07 12:08 PM   #47 
  - yes he was  wyldwolf   Jul-02-07 12:12 PM   #48 
  - Tell that to James Carville...  Alexander   Jul-02-07 12:53 PM   #52 
     - Don't need to  wyldwolf   Jul-02-07 12:55 PM   #53 
        - So why did Carville tell his wife about Kerry's election night strategy?  Alexander   Jul-02-07 01:17 PM   #62 
           - what does that have to do with Kerry's membership in the DLC?  wyldwolf   Jul-02-07 01:24 PM   #65 
           - I never claimed he wasn't a member...  Alexander   Jul-02-07 01:52 PM   #75 
              - this is what happens when someone answers for someone else  wyldwolf   Jul-02-07 02:11 PM   #86 
                 - What I said remains accurate. Kerry is not welcomed by very many in the DLC.  Alexander   Jul-02-07 02:34 PM   #94 
                    - you have no proof of that  wyldwolf   Jul-02-07 03:08 PM   #102 
                    - So I guess Carville's potshots at Dean don't constitute proof?  Alexander   Jul-02-07 03:45 PM   #110 
                       - no, Carville is not an elected Democrat or a board member of the DLC  wyldwolf   Jul-02-07 03:53 PM   #111 
                          - Exactly...  Alexander   Jul-02-07 04:01 PM   #113 
                             - what in the world does this have to do with John Kerry being in the DLC?  wyldwolf   Jul-02-07 04:08 PM   #118 
                                - I'm simply pointing out the extent of his relationship with the DLC.  Alexander   Jul-02-07 04:25 PM   #120 
                    - Facts are stubborn things  BlueDogDemocratNH   Jul-02-07 05:59 PM   #136 
                       - Carville, From, etc. have made no secret of their contempt for progressive Democrats.  Alexander   Jul-03-07 01:14 AM   #155 
           - Why did Kerry's campaign tell carville?  MonkeyFunk   Jul-02-07 01:45 PM   #71 
              - Because Kerry thought Carville was a loyal Democrat?  Alexander   Jul-02-07 01:49 PM   #74 
                 - Or maybe  MonkeyFunk   Jul-02-07 02:10 PM   #85 
                    - Do you have any source or evidence indicating that?  Alexander   Jul-02-07 02:40 PM   #95 
                       - No, I don't have proof that it wasn't a secret  MonkeyFunk   Jul-02-07 04:04 PM   #116 
                          - Maybe it was a secret, maybe it wasn't.  Alexander   Jul-02-07 05:00 PM   #124 
                             - So because Carville disagrees with Howard Dean....  MonkeyFunk   Jul-02-07 05:13 PM   #128 
                                - Because he said Dean was "incompetent" in 2006  Alexander   Jul-02-07 05:50 PM   #133 
                                   - You're making quite a leap...  MonkeyFunk   Jul-02-07 06:04 PM   #138 
                                      - You're creating a straw man...  Alexander   Jul-03-07 01:17 AM   #156 
  - "Kerry was DLC"  BlueDogDemocratNH   Jul-02-07 05:55 PM   #135 
  - Oh, please!  Le Taz Hot   Jul-03-07 09:04 AM   #192 
  - She goes back to the Senate?  ronnykmarshall   Jul-02-07 12:56 PM   #54 
  - what about 1992, 1996  sabbat hunter   Jul-02-07 01:01 PM   #57 
  - Yes, Bill Clinton had something called CHARISMA.  Alexander   Jul-02-07 01:19 PM   #63 
     - a trait which seems absent in MOST politicians. Your point?  wyldwolf   Jul-02-07 01:25 PM   #66 
        - It isn't obvious? Politicians with charisma WIN.  Alexander   Jul-02-07 01:59 PM   #77 
           - the DLC recruited Clinton and he ran on their policies  wyldwolf   Jul-02-07 02:06 PM   #83 
           - So? He won mainly based on his own charisma.  Alexander   Jul-02-07 02:49 PM   #97 
              - there is no evidence of that. And Perot was not a factor.  wyldwolf   Jul-02-07 03:22 PM   #106 
                 - No evidence of his charisma? How about the name "Slick Willie"?  Alexander   Jul-02-07 04:04 PM   #114 
                    - no, no evidence that that won the election  wyldwolf   Jul-02-07 04:06 PM   #117 
                       - By that token, there's no evidence pro-DLC policies won the 1992 election.  Alexander   Jul-02-07 04:27 PM   #121 
                       - actually, there is  wyldwolf   Jul-02-07 04:45 PM   #122 
                          - There's no evidence those issues caused Clinton to WIN.  Alexander   Jul-02-07 05:02 PM   #125 
                             - of course there is  wyldwolf   Jul-02-07 05:16 PM   #130 
                                - That's not evidence. That's bullshit.  Alexander   Jul-02-07 05:53 PM   #134 
                                   - it's bullshit to you because you hate to be wrong  wyldwolf   Jul-02-07 06:10 PM   #141 
                                      - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-03-07 01:22 AM   #158 
                                         - nope. Not denyiny Clinton's charisma. But you're denying the effects of his platform  wyldwolf   Jul-03-07 05:08 AM   #181 
                                            - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-03-07 05:20 AM   #183 
                                               - because it isn't 1992 anymore.  wyldwolf   Jul-03-07 05:45 AM   #184 
                       - That is exactly what won Clinton the election  Ethelk2044   Jul-02-07 06:55 PM   #148 
                          - Thank you - good to see some common sense in this thread.  Alexander   Jul-03-07 01:24 AM   #159 
           - Exactly, I voted against those 3 for that very reason  lyonn   Jul-02-07 02:57 PM   #99 
  - the Democratic candidate will WIN the election  AtomicKitten   Jul-02-07 01:42 PM   #70 
  - Agreed.  Alexander   Jul-02-07 02:01 PM   #79 
  - Forget it, AK.  rinsd   Jul-02-07 02:05 PM   #82 
  - If the Democrat is going to win, no matter WHO we run.....  ClassWarfare2008   Jul-02-07 02:16 PM   #88 
  - My prediction will come true. EOM  lojasmo   Jul-02-07 02:20 PM   #89 
  - Personally, I don't worry too much about whether a candidate is DLC  seasat   Jul-02-07 02:26 PM   #91 
  - What if the sun doesn't come up tomorrow!  churchofreality   Jul-02-07 03:19 PM   #105 
  - That would mean  ProudDad   Jul-03-07 01:22 AM   #157 
  - Then we enjoy what President Gore has to offer.  Alexander   Jul-03-07 02:29 AM   #170 
  - More Scooter Libbys to pardon.  sleipnir   Jul-03-07 08:40 AM   #189 
  - Locking  The Magistrate   Jul-03-07 01:01 PM   #224 
 

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