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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 10:14 PM
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36. You can't even accurately state your own argument...
And your research skills are obviously not put to good (or any use)...a simple google search would have revealed what her accomplishments as first lady obviously did not bother, or you would not have posted such drivel in the first place...

You know most Hillary supporters don't make the argument that Obama is not qualified to be President, just that Hillary's experience is a selling point for her, and not so much for Obama...however, if you are seriously going to try and equate the two, you are gonna get pushback...
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  -Hillary as Pres. makes as much sense as Melinda Gates running microsoft mckeown1128  Jun-26-07 09:36 PM   #0 
  - well that`s a new angle n/t  madrchsod   Jun-26-07 09:37 PM   #1 
  - If only Mckeown was a communicator..  Tellurian   Jun-26-07 10:53 PM   #65 
     - Is that supposed to be some profound revelation?  ripple   Jun-27-07 09:05 AM   #120 
        - Hillary is the most qualified candidate in the field of contenders, Dem or Pub..  Tellurian   Jun-27-07 11:22 AM   #127 
           - I disagree.  ripple   Jun-27-07 12:35 PM   #129 
           - No, I'll be clinking a champagne glass, saluting my candidate for a job well done!  Tellurian   Jun-27-07 04:03 PM   #133 
           - Hillary is the most qualified candidate, she also already has the $$$ support from Ins. & healthcare  Imagevision   Jun-27-07 03:24 PM   #132 
  - Haha....Very nicely said. nt  TeamJordan23   Jun-26-07 09:38 PM   #2 
  - <self delete>  TeamJordan23   Jun-26-07 09:38 PM   #3 
  - I'm not a Clinton fan, but why haven't you even mentioned her work in NY  babylonsister   Jun-26-07 09:40 PM   #4 
  - It's in reference to DMC's thread earlier today. nt  TeamJordan23   Jun-26-07 09:42 PM   #6 
  - Who is DMC? NMI=need more info. nt  babylonsister   Jun-26-07 09:47 PM   #10 
     - sorry, here u go:  TeamJordan23   Jun-26-07 10:38 PM   #56 
        - Oh, a TAG TEAM! Got it!  babylonsister   Jun-26-07 10:52 PM   #64 
  - I am not saying that she has no experience  mckeown1128   Jun-26-07 09:47 PM   #9 
  - So any other experience doesn't count? She does have some. nt  babylonsister   Jun-26-07 10:01 PM   #23 
  - Who was that young lawyer for the Watergate Commission and the research that led  CK_John   Jun-26-07 10:09 PM   #30 
     - One of a huge team  karynnj   Jun-27-07 07:28 AM   #105 
     - You are stating because one is a Lawyer you are automatically qualified to be President?  Kingstree   Jun-27-07 07:34 AM   #107 
        - It's a start. They've at least studied the law. Do you think an MBA is a better qualification? n/t  Iris   Jun-27-07 04:12 PM   #134 
        - Those are your words  October   Jun-28-07 09:52 AM   #163 
  - No one is questioning her Senate Experience  Ethelk2044   Jun-27-07 07:22 AM   #102 
  - I question her Senate experience!  bvar22   Jun-27-07 01:27 PM   #130 
  - Who is "many people"? This is the first I've heard it mentioned.  October   Jun-28-07 09:53 AM   #164 
  - I think she does deserve some credit as first lady  karynnj   Jun-27-07 07:24 AM   #103 
  - RNC sexist hogwash!  Jim Sagle   Jun-26-07 09:40 PM   #5 
  - This has nothing to do with her being a female...  mckeown1128   Jun-26-07 09:50 PM   #11 
  - yeah, right  hlthe2b   Jun-26-07 09:57 PM   #16 
  - Can't have a post critical of Hillary...  mckeown1128   Jun-26-07 10:06 PM   #28 
     - I dare say most here are NOT Hillary supporters, myself included.  hlthe2b   Jun-26-07 10:08 PM   #29 
        - You have to explain to me what was sexist in what I said...  mckeown1128   Jun-26-07 10:16 PM   #38 
        - See post #41...  hlthe2b   Jun-26-07 10:22 PM   #43 
        - God...  sendero   Jun-27-07 07:04 AM   #96 
           - A South-Bashing Misanthrope?  HughBeaumont   Jun-28-07 08:34 AM   #158 
           - You don't need to thank hlthe2b  October   Jun-28-07 09:32 AM   #162 
              - You are another...  sendero   Jun-28-07 10:59 AM   #167 
        - You discounted her entire career - from working on the Watergate scandal to her work  Captain_Nemo   Jun-27-07 12:10 AM   #81 
           - Please read this slowly since I have had to type..  mckeown1128   Jun-27-07 01:51 AM   #85 
              - You said that her experience as First Lady (married to Bill) should not count as experience.  Captain_Nemo   Jun-29-07 12:29 AM   #175 
        - This is not sexism. Being a First Lady is not a Political Office.  Kingstree   Jun-27-07 07:24 AM   #104 
           - "No First Lady in American history had ever had such a direct role in making Presidential policy."  Captain_Nemo   Jun-29-07 12:48 AM   #176 
  - I also found the OP to be extremely sexist  lwfern   Jun-28-07 09:25 AM   #160 
  - You're nicer than me. I would have said sexist bullshit.  Midlodemocrat   Jun-26-07 10:02 PM   #25 
  - OK - I'll say it.  emilyg   Jun-27-07 12:20 AM   #82 
  - Ooooh! Lame Victim Card Excuse Alert!!!  zulchzulu   Jun-26-07 11:19 PM   #73 
     - Hey Ace, I'm no fan of Hillary. At all.  Jim Sagle   Jun-26-07 11:30 PM   #74 
        - Now I am sexist and a hidden Republican because...  mckeown1128   Jun-27-07 01:58 AM   #86 
        - Jim, while it can be Rovian, you are aware that TeamClinton will use...  mitchum   Jun-27-07 02:25 AM   #89 
        - Then denounce their ugly tactics. Does it help to emulate them?  Jim Sagle   Jun-27-07 07:06 AM   #97 
        - Ick...  zulchzulu   Jun-27-07 07:09 AM   #99 
  - Your argument requires you simply stop at the title "First Lady"...  SaveElmer   Jun-26-07 09:42 PM   #7 
  - You can't attack Obama for running for president 2 years...  mckeown1128   Jun-26-07 09:53 PM   #13 
  - except she already served one term  dsc   Jun-26-07 09:57 PM   #15 
  - Except Hillary made it very clear...  SaveElmer   Jun-26-07 09:57 PM   #17 
     - You forget that the majority of those in Illinois want  mckeown1128   Jun-27-07 05:08 PM   #139 
  - do you explain how Obama has EXACTLY the same experience  earthlover   Jun-26-07 10:18 PM   #39 
     - Abe Lincoln was a compromise one's first choice...  SaveElmer   Jun-26-07 10:36 PM   #54 
        - so you admit that even such an "undistinguished" level of experience such as Lincoln's  earthlover   Jun-26-07 10:57 PM   #68 
        - It is also possible that I could be the one in 200 million...  SaveElmer   Jun-27-07 07:10 AM   #100 
           - Experience is just a small part of the equation as to what makes a good president....  earthlover   Jun-27-07 09:44 PM   #145 
              - Actually it is the Obama people that are obsessed with the topic...  SaveElmer   Jun-28-07 09:30 AM   #161 
        - This is B S Obama's Experience in State Qualifies him to Run along  Kingstree   Jun-27-07 07:49 AM   #109 
  - Melinda Gates will be on the Bloomberg tickek as VP. n/t  CK_John   Jun-26-07 09:45 PM   #8 
  - Melinda Gates was a business lawyer....I suspect she's entirely capable of running MS.  Old and In the Way   Jun-26-07 09:53 PM   #12 
  - This is a defensive post against really dirty attacks on  mckeown1128   Jun-26-07 10:00 PM   #21 
  - Show me a single post that claims...  SaveElmer   Jun-26-07 10:04 PM   #26 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-26-07 10:10 PM   #31 
     - You can't even accurately state your own argument...  SaveElmer   Jun-26-07 10:14 PM   #36 
        - Hillary supporter do make the argument that Obama....  mckeown1128   Jun-26-07 10:23 PM   #46 
           - Didn't see a single post that said Obama was unqualified...  SaveElmer   Jun-26-07 10:29 PM   #48 
              - This sort of looks like one... (Post 24)  hughee99   Jun-27-07 04:47 PM   #137 
              - just so inexperienced that he would have a 1 in 200 million chance....  earthlover   Jun-27-07 09:53 PM   #148 
                 - Actually, by responding to this drivvel about experience, Obama's supporters  earthlover   Jun-27-07 09:57 PM   #149 
     - shhhh...  hlthe2b   Jun-26-07 10:12 PM   #33 
  - Yup...  hlthe2b   Jun-26-07 10:00 PM   #22 
  - Well done.  October   Jun-28-07 10:01 AM   #165 
  - First of all, what do you know about Melinda Gates...  hlthe2b   Jun-26-07 09:54 PM   #14 
  - I don't know anything about Melinda Gates...  mckeown1128   Jun-26-07 10:13 PM   #35 
     - You know nothing re: Melinda Gates nor Hillary Clinton's records  hlthe2b   Jun-26-07 10:19 PM   #41 
        - I did list males on the list too so I guess that makes me...  mckeown1128   Jun-26-07 10:28 PM   #47 
        - Throwing in a couple of male names is not fooling anyone...  hlthe2b   Jun-26-07 10:33 PM   #53 
           - So you admit it...  mckeown1128   Jun-26-07 10:51 PM   #63 
              - Denial is not just a river in Egypt, mckeown1128  hlthe2b   Jun-26-07 11:05 PM   #71 
                 - Do you even know what straw man argument is??  mckeown1128   Jun-26-07 11:39 PM   #76 
                    - You have changed your argument so many times--, even editing  hlthe2b   Jun-26-07 11:50 PM   #77 
                       - I edited very shortly after I originally posted in order to clarify...  mckeown1128   Jun-27-07 12:06 AM   #79 
        - I believe Bill will Agree Melinda is not qualified to run MS.  Kingstree   Jun-27-07 07:32 AM   #106 
           - I seriously doubt Bill would think that about his wife. You may be a woman, but are you aware that  Iris   Jun-27-07 04:22 PM   #136 
  - Melinda Gates could run Microsoft IMO - Gates was no techie - just a rich kid  papau   Jun-26-07 09:58 PM   #18 
  - Nice revisionist history of Gates  lwcon   Jun-27-07 07:15 AM   #101 
     - It is not revisionist history - in 1964 Basic was the IBM terminal programing lanuage - by 1968  papau   Jun-27-07 08:27 AM   #117 
        - Gates is as smart a person as I've ever met  lwcon   Jun-27-07 01:38 PM   #131 
           - Gates did grow the company from 79 to 82 when those of us watching thought he would lose control -  papau   Jun-27-07 08:31 PM   #142 
              - Only one of my meetings with Bill Gates was an interview  lwcon   Jun-27-07 09:47 PM   #146 
                 - I agree - at first the new office seemed so much easier to learn all the  papau   Jun-28-07 08:13 AM   #156 
  - Who says Melinda Gates running Microsoft doesn't make sense?  GloriaSmith   Jun-26-07 09:59 PM   #19 
  - The point of the OP's post is  rpannier   Jun-26-07 10:57 PM   #69 
  - It's like having your surgeons wife claim she's experience to operate because of her hubby.  illinoisprogressive   Jun-26-07 09:59 PM   #20 
  - that is ridiculous...  hlthe2b   Jun-26-07 11:35 PM   #75 
     - Not when that surgeon does not have experience doing Surgery.  Ethelk2044   Jun-27-07 07:56 AM   #112 
  - Obama as President makes as much sense as making a 2nd year Resident Chief of surgery...  SaveElmer   Jun-26-07 10:01 PM   #24 
  - He has more political Experience than her. He has held State  Ethelk2044   Jun-27-07 07:57 AM   #113 
     - Your knowledge of state politics as opposed to national...  SaveElmer   Jun-27-07 10:28 AM   #124 
     - Her work as First Lady WAS political experience. Her work in Senate IS political exp.  Captain_Nemo   Jun-29-07 01:01 AM   #177 
  - Certainly Laura Bush and Joyce Rumsfeld couldn't have done any worse...nt  SaveElmer   Jun-26-07 10:05 PM   #27 
  - You actually have a point there. nt  mckeown1128   Jun-26-07 10:12 PM   #32 
  - None of them are qualified either.  Ethelk2044   Jun-27-07 07:58 AM   #114 
  - I think Senator Clinton is better prepared to be pres than Governor Clinton was  terisan   Jun-26-07 10:13 PM   #34 
  - so what is Hillary's health care program today? that is the issue  earthlover   Jun-26-07 10:23 PM   #44 
     - First goal...  SaveElmer   Jun-26-07 10:31 PM   #50 
        - She acheived her first goal.  JTFrog   Jun-27-07 04:43 AM   #91 
        - Funny...  SaveElmer   Jun-27-07 07:08 AM   #98 
        - S-CHIP was Kennedy/Hatch legislation  karynnj   Jun-27-07 07:49 AM   #108 
  - Melinda Gates is pretty damned smart.  MookieWilson   Jun-26-07 10:15 PM   #37 
  - Elmer, Hil has 6 yrs so she must be first year, Obama has 11  illinoisprogressive   Jun-26-07 10:18 PM   #40 
  - She is in the first year of her second term...  SaveElmer   Jun-26-07 10:23 PM   #45 
     - again if you are gpoing to count this year for Clinton...  mckeown1128   Jun-26-07 10:37 PM   #55 
     - 7-3...6-2 ...  SaveElmer   Jun-26-07 10:39 PM   #57 
        - Correction Hillary 7 Obama 10  Ethelk2044   Jun-27-07 07:59 AM   #115 
           - Correction  SaveElmer   Jun-27-07 10:18 AM   #123 
     - so obama had the same experience 8 years in IL state leg and 2 nationally  earthlover   Jun-26-07 10:39 PM   #58 
        - Feel free to continue looking foolish...nt  SaveElmer   Jun-26-07 10:41 PM   #60 
        - He is correct from your logic  Ethelk2044   Jun-27-07 08:00 AM   #116 
        - sorry, meant to say same experience as LINCOLN!  earthlover   Jun-26-07 10:41 PM   #61 
        - Abe Lincoln was a compromise one's first choice...  SaveElmer   Jun-26-07 10:47 PM   #62 
        - nope, I brought a yardstick with me..  Tellurian   Jun-26-07 10:56 PM   #67 
  - Your facts here are skewed: She DID help balance the budget. She and he ( a team)  Captain_Nemo   Jun-26-07 10:19 PM   #42 
  - ok...let's compare the candidates on their ELECTED experience.....  earthlover   Jun-26-07 10:30 PM   #49 
  - Sorry as important as being a state legislator is...  SaveElmer   Jun-26-07 10:33 PM   #52 
     - Right on.  Captain_Nemo   Jun-27-07 12:06 AM   #78 
     - Next they'll add in school board and dogcatcher as "elected experience"  mainer   Jun-28-07 08:46 AM   #159 
  - Pelosi and Thatcher don't have political experience?! nt  mckeown1128   Jun-26-07 10:40 PM   #59 
  - This conversation is not helpful. The topic itself is based in sexism and falsehoods. Maybe we  Captain_Nemo   Jun-27-07 12:08 AM   #80 
     - what sexism.... what was false....??? nt  mckeown1128   Jun-27-07 01:44 AM   #84 
  - If they were really a team - then she already served 8 years as President  karynnj   Jun-27-07 07:52 AM   #110 
     - if they really were a team....why did Monica, et al "happen"?  earthlover   Jun-27-07 09:24 PM   #143 
     - "Monica" was not part of their political agenda  karynnj   Jun-28-07 07:06 AM   #155 
     - Well, a president and vice president are a team  ElizabethDC   Jun-28-07 08:17 AM   #157 
  - WTF are you smoking guy? Hillary would make a fine President...much better than RUDY  opihimoimoi   Jun-26-07 10:32 PM   #51 
  - ... but 45% of the population hasn't already concluded that they won't support Melinda Gates as CEO.  Stop Cornyn   Jun-26-07 10:55 PM   #66 
  - And some of that 45% will give sopme reflection to their decision based on who the republikkans pick  rpannier   Jun-26-07 11:00 PM   #70 
  - Joyce Rumsfeld could probably run the Iraq War a lot better than Don Rumsfeld  Hippo_Tron   Jun-26-07 11:08 PM   #72 
  - She is a terrible general election candidate.  IamyourTVandIownyou   Jun-27-07 12:44 AM   #83 
  - Watch out...  mckeown1128   Jun-27-07 02:04 AM   #88 
     - No, IAmYourTV.. is making a point on her based on her positions  hlthe2b   Jun-27-07 06:37 AM   #92 
        - It is sad that Hillary's supporters are...  mckeown1128   Jun-27-07 05:01 PM   #138 
           - It is her record that you are ignoring...  SaveElmer   Jun-27-07 07:50 PM   #141 
           - Another piece of sexism is voting for Hillary because she is female  earthlover   Jun-27-07 10:21 PM   #150 
  - She has less elected political experience than either Edwards or Obama.  calteacherguy   Jun-27-07 02:02 AM   #87 
  - How does she have less than Edwards?  MonkeyFunk   Jun-28-07 12:09 AM   #151 
  - She has more experience  MonkeyFunk   Jun-27-07 02:48 AM   #90 
  - But Edwards has experience running for president and vice president  earthlover   Jun-28-07 05:26 AM   #153 
     - well I think Clinton  MonkeyFunk   Jun-28-07 10:36 AM   #166 
        - So now Hillary "knows something about" campaigns  earthlover   Jun-28-07 06:48 PM   #170 
           - The fact is  MonkeyFunk   Jun-28-07 08:11 PM   #172 
              - It was Bill's experiences of running in 92 and 96  earthlover   Jun-28-07 10:12 PM   #173 
  - She's got Rupert Murdoch eating out of her hand  Perry Logan   Jun-27-07 06:54 AM   #93 
  - you gotta be kidding! Murdock wants her to be nomnated because he knows she is the easiest target!  earthlover   Jun-28-07 10:15 PM   #174 
  - That's just ridiculous  MaineDem   Jun-27-07 06:55 AM   #94 
  - It also makes as much sense as a Brian Doctor  Ethelk2044   Jun-27-07 06:56 AM   #95 
  - Thank you.  Dawgs   Jun-27-07 07:55 AM   #111 
  - I disagree with you  Evergreen Emerald   Jun-27-07 08:39 AM   #118 
  - With the Logic you just gave I should be able to run Microsoft or any other  Kingstree   Jun-27-07 10:29 AM   #125 
     - I do not understand your analogy  Evergreen Emerald   Jun-27-07 07:47 PM   #140 
  - Actually Melinda Gates makes more sense ...  Everybody   Jun-27-07 09:02 AM   #119 
  - I believe your sexist attitudes are in  femrap   Jun-27-07 09:55 AM   #121 
  - It is not a sexist remark. Hillary supporters were stating that she was  Kingstree   Jun-27-07 10:32 AM   #126 
  - I am asking that you here what I am trying to say.  mckeown1128   Jun-27-07 12:24 PM   #128 
  - What national experience did Bill have before taking Presidency?...None. nt  TeamJordan23   Jun-27-07 10:03 AM   #122 
  - Bravo! I've made the statement - quite similar to yours on a smaller scale.  ShortnFiery   Jun-27-07 04:15 PM   #135 
  - That analogy doesn't work.  Connie_Corleone   Jun-27-07 09:44 PM   #144 
  - Edwards was busy running for president...  mckeown1128   Jun-28-07 12:09 PM   #168 
  - No, but she does have the experience of living he life in a fish bowl  WCGreen   Jun-27-07 09:48 PM   #147 
  - So what *she's tough?* WTF? We need *a leader* not another jerk - bully? n/t  ShortnFiery   Jun-28-07 05:34 AM   #154 
  - The "Experience" Factor  election_2004   Jun-28-07 12:13 AM   #152 
  - This is NOT a good strategy for lifting Obama's poll ratings  Chomskyite   Jun-28-07 12:18 PM   #169 
  - Yes, but most married women don't edge into competing for "The Chief of Staff" position.  ShortnFiery   Jun-28-07 06:55 PM   #171 
  - Not that I have any dogs in this race yet...  LanternWaste   Jun-29-07 07:22 AM   #178 

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