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67. Obama is the one implying he has superior judgment
Edited on Wed Jun-27-07 03:48 PM by draft_mario_cuomo
He should be held to the standard he is running on. He keeps running into the problem of holding himself up as superior to the rest, which helps politically, but then falling short of the mythical standards he sets for himself.

There was no law requiring Democrats to support Holy Joe. Edwards, for instance, did not. I doubt Kucinich did either.

A haircut hardly is as important as corruption worth, apparently, nearly $1 million. Also, supposedly, Obama was doing legal work for Rezko while his state senate constituents were freezing without heating in Rezko-owned buildings. That is as bad as a haircut?

==while constantly trying to paint Obama as pro-war==

He is. He has said he will continue military operations in Iraq for an unspecified length of time with an unspecified number of troops. He has the same position HRC has. HRC is just more open about it. There is no need to paste his own words here (i.e. his own website, his own bill, and his recent article in Foreign Affairs). I am sure you have seen them several times.

I don't support Edwards because of his position on the war. Pointing out Obama's own position on the war is vital. People need to know what he actually thinks about the war if he is not going to be honest about his actual position during debates.

==McCain is a perfect example of why judgment often trumps experience. I think we might actually agree on that point.==

Sure. Like I said, Obama can make a legitimate case on judgment, although Obama supporters, many of whom who worship daily at the altar of the 2002 IWR, fail to recognize that good judgment is not conferred simply because of being correct on one issue. If Obama runs on judgment you can be sure people will point to his lapses in judgment. Many BO supporters seem to think the IWR is all that counts for judgment, that Pat Buchanan has better judgment than John Kerry. The public does not think this way and Obama would pay a price if he started to run on judgment, although he still may wind up with a net gain. The bottom line is the judgment issue is not as simple and clear-cut as Obama supporters like to think.

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  -Obama Swipes at Hillay Clinton on...experience. draft_mario_cuomo  Jun-26-07 07:18 PM   #0 
  - laughable?  Bornaginhooligan   Jun-26-07 07:20 PM   #1 
  - Not if your dedicated, it's Not..  Tellurian   Jun-26-07 07:22 PM   #2 
  - Decades.  Bornaginhooligan   Jun-26-07 07:24 PM   #4 
  - I don't think nepotism has a handle on Hooliganism..  Tellurian   Jun-26-07 08:40 PM   #28 
  - Yep, great dedication to Healthcare during the Clinton Admin. nt  TeamJordan23   Jun-26-07 07:40 PM   #12 
     - Idiotic statement..  Tellurian   Jun-26-07 08:43 PM   #32 
     - That's some kind of "platform of competence and successes" eh?  jefferson_dem   Jun-26-07 11:09 PM   #58 
  - Trouble with reading comprehension?  BushOut06   Jun-26-07 07:24 PM   #5 
     - Nope. You?  Bornaginhooligan   Jun-26-07 07:26 PM   #6 
     - HIllary / Laura :: First Lady Unity 08?  jefferson_dem   Jun-26-07 11:11 PM   #59 
     - Here Bio states the Following under political experience  Ethelk2044   Jun-26-07 07:50 PM   #15 
        - It is experience in her case, no trying necessary n/t  Jim4Wes   Jun-26-07 09:05 PM   #42 
  - observing?  wildhorses   Jun-26-07 07:23 PM   #3 
  - Good point. I'll edit that to serving as a close adviser to  draft_mario_cuomo   Jun-26-07 07:30 PM   #7 
     - is she the one that advised bill to use --  wildhorses   Jun-26-07 07:35 PM   #8 
        - Ooooh, now that's a good one. n/t  elizm   Jun-26-07 07:42 PM   #14 
        - Is that the best u can come up with?  emilyg   Jun-26-07 08:43 PM   #31 
           - amazing, and the other one's a school teacher, supposedly..  Tellurian   Jun-26-07 08:48 PM   #34 
           - i like the way you spell  wildhorses   Jun-26-07 08:57 PM   #40 
  - LOL. You ignore Obama's experience in Illinios, but point out Hillarys job as 'advisor' to governor  TeamJordan23   Jun-26-07 07:38 PM   #9 
  - Why would anyone purposely appear to be ignorant of verifiable  Alamom   Jun-26-07 07:39 PM   #10 
  - Personally...  elizm   Jun-26-07 07:40 PM   #11 
  - How is this a "swipe" or "attack"?  maximusveritas   Jun-26-07 07:40 PM   #13 
  - Unless I'm mistaken AP writer Nedra Pickler has a history of bending reality like this.  Telly Savalas   Jun-26-07 08:07 PM   #18 
  - Obama's Experience  Ethelk2044   Jun-26-07 08:10 PM   #20 
  - Obama says Hillary  sandnsea   Jun-26-07 07:57 PM   #16 
  - Very interesting. I think you might be on to something. NT  NYCGirl   Jun-26-07 08:35 PM   #24 
  - As far as I know--and I could be wrong--I did not write the article nt  draft_mario_cuomo   Jun-26-07 09:48 PM   #44 
  - Obama has no experience covering up for BushInc on Day One. And that is something  blm   Jun-26-07 08:06 PM   #17 
  - Well, he's right  tammywammy   Jun-26-07 08:08 PM   #19 
  - Let's do some math  Bucky   Jun-26-07 08:14 PM   #21 
  - You are incorrect do the math  Ethelk2044   Jun-26-07 08:17 PM   #22 
     - Not only are you changing the subject, but you are doing so *incoherently*.  Bucky   Jun-26-07 08:38 PM   #27 
     - NO I am not trying to change the subject. Political Experience MEANS ALL EXPERIENCE  Ethelk2044   Jun-26-07 08:41 PM   #29 
        - Still not getting it.  Bucky   Jun-26-07 08:51 PM   #35 
     - That is like comparing experience in AA baseball with experience in the majors  draft_mario_cuomo   Jun-26-07 09:50 PM   #45 
        - The Papelbon Effect  BlueDogDemocratNH   Jun-27-07 05:29 PM   #80 
  - Hillary has only 7 yrs. experience. Obama has 11  illinoisprogressive   Jun-26-07 08:23 PM   #23 
  - Hillary has been propping up Obama!  Tellurian   Jun-26-07 08:37 PM   #25 
  - Hillary can not prop up herself . Bill is the one propping her up  Ethelk2044   Jun-26-07 08:43 PM   #30 
  - If she was capable of handling it on her own  Ethelk2044   Jun-26-07 08:38 PM   #26 
  - This is such a dumb thread. Clinton has 59 years experience, Obama has 47.  Bucky   Jun-26-07 08:48 PM   #33 
  - I don't know if you've seen this..  Tellurian   Jun-26-07 09:41 PM   #43 
     - Who is that dude in the commercial?  draft_mario_cuomo   Jun-26-07 09:53 PM   #47 
        - Hillary's campaign mgr.. He came highly recommended-  Tellurian   Jun-26-07 10:34 PM   #56 
  - I'll take HRC's experience in the WH over state senate experience any day nt  draft_mario_cuomo   Jun-26-07 09:51 PM   #46 
     - I will take State experience over being a wife any day.  Ethelk2044   Jun-27-07 06:14 AM   #64 
  - Your math shows the bias in your attack...  mckeown1128   Jun-26-07 08:53 PM   #36 
  - Typo on HRC. It should be 6 nt  draft_mario_cuomo   Jun-26-07 09:54 PM   #48 
  - As Chairwoman of the Task Force on National Health Care Reform...she was not that good  TeamJordan23   Jun-26-07 08:53 PM   #37 
  - And that my friends, is the reason  pirhana   Jun-26-07 08:55 PM   #38 
  - And that is the reason I'm voting for Richardson  election_2004   Jun-28-07 12:27 AM   #84 
  - DMC's ommission of key facts clearly show his bias and hatred towards Obama. nt  TeamJordan23   Jun-26-07 08:55 PM   #39 
  - If Hillary is really soo experienced, shouldn't she have known what would happen in Iraq?  TeamJordan23   Jun-26-07 08:58 PM   #41 
  - Judgment is different than experience  draft_mario_cuomo   Jun-26-07 09:56 PM   #50 
     - Again, virtually all Senate dem supported Lieberman in the primary  ripple   Jun-27-07 09:24 AM   #65 
        - Obama is the one implying he has superior judgment  draft_mario_cuomo   Jun-27-07 03:46 PM   #67 
           - Edwards and Kucinich weren't in the Senate  ripple   Jun-27-07 04:43 PM   #74 
              - They are presidential candidates, right?  draft_mario_cuomo   Jun-27-07 05:21 PM   #77 
  - that's the ticket.  milord   Jun-26-07 09:55 PM   #49 
  - Hillary was Bill's closest advisor???  ripple   Jun-26-07 10:09 PM   #51 
  - wow. that is exactly what I think when I see Obama. I do not  anitar1   Jun-26-07 10:13 PM   #52 
  - this wasn't an attack, he was talking about what anyone who is elected would go through  JI7   Jun-26-07 10:15 PM   #53 
  - gotta love the edwards people attacking obama  Obama_for_our_future   Jun-26-07 10:17 PM   #54 
  - Mario was mostly a friendly until the the D-Punjab memo  BeyondGeography   Jun-26-07 10:24 PM   #55 
  - How did Mario feel about Hillary's "Gandhi joke?"  Nedsdag   Jun-26-07 11:21 PM   #60 
  - It was racist  draft_mario_cuomo   Jun-27-07 03:59 PM   #72 
  - "Mario Cujo"  BlueDogDemocratNH   Jun-27-07 12:34 PM   #66 
  - The sad thing is simply from this reply you can tell which candidate BlueDog supports nt  draft_mario_cuomo   Jun-27-07 03:57 PM   #71 
     - draw thy stick from out thine ass!  BlueDogDemocratNH   Jun-27-07 05:26 PM   #79 
  - Another example of the "new politics"  draft_mario_cuomo   Jun-27-07 03:55 PM   #70 
     - Imbalanced and violent...that pretty much sums up your attitude  BeyondGeography   Jun-27-07 04:16 PM   #73 
  - You can't have it both ways...  draft_mario_cuomo   Jun-27-07 03:52 PM   #68 
  - Theres no way, Obama, can match Hillary's gravitas..  Tellurian   Jun-26-07 10:48 PM   #57 
  - Gravitas?  calteacherguy   Jun-27-07 02:07 AM   #62 
     - Anti-gravitas is more like it.  Forkboy   Jun-27-07 02:23 AM   #63 
  - Obama makes an excellent only political experience is her time in the senate. nt  calteacherguy   Jun-27-07 02:07 AM   #61 
     - Refer back to "57  Tellurian   Jun-27-07 03:54 PM   #69 
        - Hillary Clinton's only political experience is her time in the senate. nt  calteacherguy   Jun-27-07 04:51 PM   #75 
           - Please read this and see if you can find the ommission I'm thinking of.....  Tellurian   Jun-27-07 05:18 PM   #76 
              - Like the other two in the "top tier," she has no executive leadership experience.  calteacherguy   Jun-27-07 05:25 PM   #78 
                 - Well, did you read the paragraph about Hillary giving the Commencement Speech @ Wellesley?  Tellurian   Jun-27-07 05:55 PM   #81 
                    - None of this is relevant to the point which I have already made. nt  calteacherguy   Jun-27-07 06:32 PM   #82 
                       - I've debunked your point..  Tellurian   Jun-27-07 08:49 PM   #83 

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