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59. maybe as time goes on, the guy behind the guy will emerge
and you'll like him more.

cuz if you like shaker-uppers, you and he would be a good match.

he is really doing politics in a different way (a la Kucinich, Dean)...he is not following the classic playbook in his approach, and definitely not in his policies - like admitting point blank that in order to get the social programs needed to restore this country, it's going to cost money. No politicians ever admit this.

And Iran - he said the most remarkable thng on Russert a few months ago:

Russert: Would a President Edwards make sure that Iran never went nuclear?
Edwards: (loosely paraphrased) We don't need to make proclamations like that. There is so much more to be done diplomatically, there are also peaceful uses of nuclear technology. We want to keep an eye on it, very closely, but we want to work to the point where we don't have to be coming to a head about this if we don't have to. Let's work through diplomatic channels to resolve this without saying, right now, 'NEVER'. Such a proclamation precludes the necessary diplomacy.

This is so counter to normal political machismo. He can lead us into a new day.

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  -accurate description of why the msm is afraid of Edwards venable  Jun-15-07 10:40 PM   #0 
  - i read that earlier there. it is sad how they treat him.  illinoisprogressive   Jun-15-07 10:49 PM   #1 
  - No it's not. He's being treated like any other candidate.  calteacherguy   Jun-15-07 10:56 PM   #3 
     - that's an easy argument, but doesn't hold up  venable   Jun-15-07 11:36 PM   #12 
        - Geez...."the hair cutter had to leave his office."  calteacherguy   Jun-15-07 11:38 PM   #14 
           - keep hammering on the haircut, it's very astute  venable   Jun-15-07 11:53 PM   #20 
  - The MSM is not afraid of John Edwards.  calteacherguy   Jun-15-07 10:55 PM   #2 
  - That's not entirely true. His lifewstyle and actions are more humble than all but Kucinich.  1932   Jun-15-07 11:05 PM   #4 
     - A $400 haircut is humble? What is the evidence for what you state?  calteacherguy   Jun-15-07 11:24 PM   #6 
     - Dude, what do you think the rest of them pay for haircuts?  1932   Jun-15-07 11:25 PM   #7 
     - Obama pays $15...or was it $20? nt  calteacherguy   Jun-15-07 11:27 PM   #8 
        - $20  Katzenkavalier   Jun-15-07 11:28 PM   #9 
        - The millionaire pays $20 for haircuts?  draft_mario_cuomo   Jun-15-07 11:48 PM   #18 
        - But he gets it cut 20 times more often.  1932   Jun-15-07 11:28 PM   #10 
        - Do you have a link for that? nt  calteacherguy   Jun-15-07 11:33 PM   #11 
        - good grief, have we really been reduced to this discussion. is this faux news?  venable   Jun-15-07 11:37 PM   #13 
        - I was wondering when the "Is this FOX news" card was going to be played.  calteacherguy   Jun-15-07 11:41 PM   #15 
           - no, Fox didn't need's the msm avoidance of his policies  venable   Jun-15-07 11:55 PM   #23 
              - Look, the haircut is out there...I'm not attacking him for it.  calteacherguy   Jun-16-07 12:01 AM   #27 
                 - feels a bit like an attack, you have to admit  venable   Jun-16-07 12:06 AM   #31 
                    - Best of luck to Mr. Edwards.  calteacherguy   Jun-16-07 12:12 AM   #33 
                       - thanks, I appreciate that.  venable   Jun-16-07 12:13 AM   #34 
        - And the Ivy Leaguer with a Harvard wife lives in a $1.6 million house and makes $1 million a year  draft_mario_cuomo   Jun-15-07 11:44 PM   #16 
        -'s the $400 haircut.  calteacherguy   Jun-15-07 11:48 PM   #17 
        - Ok. Who can you relate to then?  draft_mario_cuomo   Jun-15-07 11:50 PM   #19 
        - Good question.  calteacherguy   Jun-15-07 11:54 PM   #22 
           - How can you relate to all of them?  draft_mario_cuomo   Jun-16-07 12:13 AM   #35 
              - Good question.  calteacherguy   Jun-16-07 12:18 AM   #39 
              - 100% f--king right!  LBJDemocrat   Jun-16-07 07:33 PM   #73 
        - are you serious? his family 'owned' the mill? do some research.  venable   Jun-16-07 12:00 AM   #26 
        - I'm not hating...  calteacherguy   Jun-16-07 12:05 AM   #30 
           - That is a fair point. Why do the others hide their wealth BTW?  draft_mario_cuomo   Jun-16-07 12:15 AM   #36 
           - he was born into pretty deep poverty, and they made their way up  venable   Jun-16-07 12:16 AM   #37 
        - 'dude' - it's people talking about the haircut, like now.  venable   Jun-16-07 12:01 AM   #28 
           - No, I don't want to discuss his "policies"  calteacherguy   Jun-16-07 12:08 AM   #32 
        - Success in life appears to be a bad trait for a President to you  zulchzulu   Jun-16-07 10:52 PM   #76 
        - And this is a more important issue  sandyd921   Jun-16-07 04:12 PM   #72 
     - His 28,000 Square Foot House is Mega Humble!  MannyGoldstein   Jun-15-07 11:59 PM   #25 
        - How big was FDR's inherited mansion and estate? nt  draft_mario_cuomo   Jun-16-07 12:17 AM   #38 
        - FDR was in a wheelchair.  calteacherguy   Jun-16-07 12:28 AM   #40 
        - Edwards son died and his wife is likely dying of cancer. He grew up working-class  draft_mario_cuomo   Jun-16-07 12:33 AM   #41 
           - You make some very good points.  calteacherguy   Jun-16-07 12:35 AM   #43 
           - I understand your point of view  draft_mario_cuomo   Jun-16-07 12:44 AM   #45 
           - Edwards' Father MANAGED A Textile Factory  MannyGoldstein   Jun-16-07 12:37 AM   #44 
              - FDR was a great man  draft_mario_cuomo   Jun-16-07 12:45 AM   #46 
              - I Don't Think FDR Worked For A Predatory Hedge Fund  MannyGoldstein   Jun-16-07 11:35 AM   #50 
              - His father quit his job at the mill he "manaaged" because they wouldn't promote him any higher  1932   Jun-16-07 07:48 AM   #47 
        - A Tiny Fraction of The Size nt  MannyGoldstein   Jun-16-07 12:34 AM   #42 
        - I must rebut  V4Edwards   Jun-16-07 02:05 PM   #65 
        - Humble is stupid. It's putting yourself lower than others,  laureloak   Jun-16-07 11:01 PM   #77 
     - So Obama didn't come from humble beginnings?  zulchzulu   Jun-16-07 10:50 PM   #75 
  - The illiberal elites hate discussions of economic policy  StudentsMustUniteNow   Jun-15-07 11:07 PM   #5 
  - maybe it's just me  Cheap_Trick   Jun-15-07 11:54 PM   #21 
  - No, it's not just you.  calteacherguy   Jun-15-07 11:58 PM   #24 
  - thank you thank you thank you n/t  venable   Jun-16-07 12:02 AM   #29 
  - I only care if they're trying to create a world where there are a few people who  1932   Jun-16-07 07:50 AM   #48 
     - exactly. well said n/t  venable   Jun-16-07 11:56 AM   #53 
  - Yea, the mainstream media is scared of Edwards...  zulchzulu   Jun-16-07 07:57 AM   #49 
  - so funny to you, but media analysts observe it to be true  venable   Jun-16-07 11:55 AM   #52 
     - Should I join the Poor Me Brigade?  zulchzulu   Jun-16-07 10:49 PM   #74 
  - It wasn't the haircut that threw me  tammywammy   Jun-16-07 11:40 AM   #51 
  - he didn't say that  venable   Jun-16-07 11:59 AM   #54 
     - Oh, I don't think of Edwards as avaricious  tammywammy   Jun-16-07 12:01 PM   #55 
        - yeah, I think it's a combination  venable   Jun-16-07 12:11 PM   #56 
           - Yeah, I'd rather have a shaker-upper too  tammywammy   Jun-16-07 12:41 PM   #58 
              - maybe as time goes on, the guy behind the guy will emerge  venable   Jun-16-07 12:57 PM   #59 
                 - Possibly, but I doubt it  tammywammy   Jun-16-07 01:01 PM   #61 
                    - I don't think saying why Edwards is my choice is a flame war.  venable   Jun-16-07 02:56 PM   #67 
                       - I didn't mean to give you that impression at all  tammywammy   Jun-16-07 04:01 PM   #71 
  - Last time around the msm LOVED Edwards...  jenmito   Jun-16-07 12:23 PM   #57 
     - disagree...I think they ignored Edwards AND Clark.  venable   Jun-16-07 01:01 PM   #60 
        - I disagree...  jenmito   Jun-16-07 01:13 PM   #62 
           - The problem was: Clark had skipped Iowa, and staked everything on New Hampshire.  chimpymustgo   Jun-16-07 01:33 PM   #63 
           - You're right that his mistake was skipping Iowa...  jenmito   Jun-16-07 01:39 PM   #64 
           - after NH everybody was ignored except Kerry  venable   Jun-16-07 02:53 PM   #66 
              - Well, I think I disagree slightly with that...  jenmito   Jun-16-07 03:18 PM   #68 
                 - well, we can both agree Clark was not given much attention  venable   Jun-16-07 03:54 PM   #69 
                    - OK...  jenmito   Jun-16-07 03:57 PM   #70 

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