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LBJDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 02:33 PM
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Why I support Clinton over Obama
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Edited on Thu Jun-07-07 03:02 PM by LBJDemocrat
I'm an Edwards supporter and a possible Clark supporter. When I joined DU, I thought Sen. Clinton was the worst possible Democratic candidate. My views have changed. Here's why:

1. Hillary Clinton has an extremely low CATO rating of 17%. Obama does not have a CATO rating yet. Given that Obama has more Wall Street support than Clinton, I would play it safe and assume that Clinton, while still a centrist Democrat, is better on the issue of trade policy.

2. Hillary Clinton is a potentially divisive figure. She has little charisma and is loathed by Repubs more than Obama will probably ever be. You may be reading this and thinking it's a bad thing, and it is in a sense. But it's also a good thing. A president that cannot rely on charisma will have to rely more on results. She will also have a tougher time selling Wall Street's agenda to middle America, this includes wars. Bush has gotten very far by pretending to be a simple Texan. President Clinton will not have this luxury. To add to this, she is viewed with suspicion by the base of the Democratic Party. Obama would be a better trojan horse for DLC-type policies in that he would face less opposition.

3. Hillary Clinton is recently displaying more worker-friendly political courage than Obama. Clinton voted against the Guest Worker provision, while Obama abstained. I won't hold that too much against him though because he was out campaigning. Of course, the Guest Worker provision ended up passing. Then there's the issue of the merit-based point system to immigration (which is a tool to screw over white-collar workers just as blue collar-workers are). Obama created an amendment that would phase out that point system after five years, which is honorable. Clinton, on the other hand, proposed her own amendment that would allow families to reunite, saying "Five years in the life of a young child is precious time indeed." Both amendments were rejected.
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  -Why I support Clinton over Obama LBJDemocrat  Jun-07-07 02:33 PM   #0 
  - And we get the Big Dog back  joefree1   Jun-07-07 02:40 PM   #1 
  - I love your sig  StudentsMustUniteNow   Jun-07-07 02:49 PM   #8 
  - Thanks, steal it.  joefree1   Jun-07-07 09:36 PM   #69 
  - She has proved to be one tough lady  katmondoo   Jun-07-07 02:55 PM   #10 
     - Hillary is wired to stick with the facts..  Tellurian   Jun-07-07 05:55 PM   #60 
  - Who to support?  MiaCulpa   Jun-07-07 02:42 PM   #2 
  - I wouldn't want a candidate to pre-empt my plans..  Tellurian   Jun-07-07 06:02 PM   #61 
  - Do you have a source for Obama's more Wall Street support than Hillary?  Hippo_Tron   Jun-07-07 02:42 PM   #3 
  - Yeah I'd like a source for that  StudentsMustUniteNow   Jun-07-07 02:45 PM   #4 
  - Yup  LBJDemocrat   Jun-07-07 02:46 PM   #5 
  - Not according to the FEC:  NYCGirl   Jun-07-07 03:06 PM   #17 
  - Not all Securities and Investments are Wall Street  StudentsMustUniteNow   Jun-07-07 03:10 PM   #18 
  - So the ones NOT located on Wall Street are alright with you, eh? NT  NYCGirl   Jun-07-07 03:13 PM   #23 
     - Not necessarily. I'm just saying that his point was correct, if a bit misleading n/t  StudentsMustUniteNow   Jun-07-07 03:15 PM   #26 
     - No.  LBJDemocrat   Jun-07-07 03:16 PM   #27 
  - Valid, but doesn't disprove my point  LBJDemocrat   Jun-07-07 03:13 PM   #22 
     - So Romney's money is cleaner? NT  NYCGirl   Jun-07-07 03:14 PM   #25 
  - It says from individual employees  Hippo_Tron   Jun-07-07 04:23 PM   #53 
  - He has even more Wall Street support than Giuliani and Romney nt  draft_mario_cuomo   Jun-07-07 03:03 PM   #13 
  - That's scary  StudentsMustUniteNow   Jun-07-07 03:11 PM   #19 
  - Wall Street Antes Up for 2008. Hillary Clinton was the biggest winner.  flpoljunkie   Jun-07-07 03:22 PM   #28 
     - When was this?  LBJDemocrat   Jun-07-07 03:31 PM   #34 
     - Article evidently written April 17, 2007. Link works for me. Try it again.  flpoljunkie   Jun-07-07 04:26 PM   #54 
     - I'm confused about why we're looking at the individual employee contributions  Hippo_Tron   Jun-07-07 05:07 PM   #57 
        - Except that fatcats use employees' private donations to work around donation limits  Bucky   Jun-08-07 08:52 AM   #80 
  - Clinton has no personal honor.  MH1   Jun-07-07 02:48 PM   #6 
  - She could have said "no comment" and left it at that n/t  politicasista   Jun-07-07 03:00 PM   #12 
  - Point 3 is wrong on a few points.  rinsd   Jun-07-07 02:49 PM   #7 
  - Both Obama and Clinton voted for Dorgan's amendment. Link to roll call vote below.  flpoljunkie   Jun-07-07 03:05 PM   #15 
  - D'oh!  rinsd   Jun-07-07 03:12 PM   #21 
     - There's a difference between striking a provision and sunsetting it  StudentsMustUniteNow   Jun-07-07 03:23 PM   #29 
     - He doesn't deserve the vote of a troll like you, I agree.  Katzenkavalier   Jun-07-07 03:32 PM   #37 
     - Who's trolling?  StudentsMustUniteNow   Jun-07-07 03:38 PM   #44 
     - Apologizes for what, not voting for something?  Dawgs   Jun-07-07 04:11 PM   #48 
     - Duh! Doesn't matter a whit!  flpoljunkie   Jun-07-07 03:30 PM   #33 
  - Fixed. nt  LBJDemocrat   Jun-07-07 03:05 PM   #16 
     - Please see post#28 regarding point number two.  flpoljunkie   Jun-07-07 03:33 PM   #39 
  - Worker Friendly?  HughBeaumont   Jun-07-07 02:51 PM   #9 
  - Obama's said similar things in praise of globalization  StudentsMustUniteNow   Jun-07-07 02:58 PM   #11 
  - It's what the handlers want to hear.  HughBeaumont   Jun-07-07 03:11 PM   #20 
     - Sometimes I feel it's all hopeless  StudentsMustUniteNow   Jun-07-07 03:14 PM   #24 
  - I know.  LBJDemocrat   Jun-07-07 03:04 PM   #14 
     - The mainstream press will sure call attention to it, for certain.  HughBeaumont   Jun-07-07 03:32 PM   #36 
        - Yeah; possibly  LBJDemocrat   Jun-07-07 03:35 PM   #41 
  - Support whoever you like. Obama's my candidate no matter what.  Katzenkavalier   Jun-07-07 03:25 PM   #30 
  - Hillary looks attractive in your picture  StudentsMustUniteNow   Jun-07-07 03:27 PM   #31 
     - I don't get your constant attacks on him either.  Katzenkavalier   Jun-07-07 03:29 PM   #32 
        - Because I'm waiting for you to give me a concrete reason to support him  StudentsMustUniteNow   Jun-07-07 03:31 PM   #35 
        - Are you for the war?  Dawgs   Jun-07-07 04:15 PM   #49 
        - That's part of why he'll be a better salesman  LBJDemocrat   Jun-07-07 04:18 PM   #50 
        - Exactly nt  StudentsMustUniteNow   Jun-07-07 04:22 PM   #51 
        - He is so against it he wants to keep a "limited" number of troops there for an unspecificed time nt  draft_mario_cuomo   Jun-07-07 04:22 PM   #52 
           - But, Hillary says troops will need to stay as well  tammywammy   Jun-07-07 06:43 PM   #65 
              - Exactly. If you want the war to end, don't vote for HRC or Obama nt  draft_mario_cuomo   Jun-07-07 11:25 PM   #77 
        - I have a reason to vote for Obama instead of Clinton  mckeown1128   Jun-07-07 05:32 PM   #59 
        - If we're going to get DLC fiscal policies,  LBJDemocrat   Jun-07-07 03:32 PM   #38 
           - Exactly. nt  draft_mario_cuomo   Jun-07-07 03:41 PM   #46 
  - This "Ignore" function is a wonderful thing.  Katzenkavalier   Jun-07-07 03:34 PM   #40 
  - So you really can't give me a concrete reason for supporting one DLC-type over another  StudentsMustUniteNow   Jun-07-07 03:35 PM   #42 
  - Who pray tell is your candidate? Assuming you're not voting for Ron Paul.  rinsd   Jun-07-07 04:29 PM   #55 
     - Undecided  StudentsMustUniteNow   Jun-07-07 04:35 PM   #56 
  - I'm waiting for proof that Obama is more fiscally liberal than Clinton  LBJDemocrat   Jun-07-07 03:36 PM   #43 
     - Um, your agenda is showing  Capn Sunshine   Jun-07-07 09:52 PM   #71 
  - I will look at her until she apologizes for stabbing good Dems in the back  politicasista   Jun-07-07 03:40 PM   #45 
  - Those Clinton years stabbed good Dems in the back  StudentsMustUniteNow   Jun-07-07 03:47 PM   #47 
  - The logic here seems to be: The obstacle between Edwards and Hillary is Obama, so let's attack him.  Katzenkavalier   Jun-07-07 05:07 PM   #58 
  - Not really  LBJDemocrat   Jun-07-07 06:03 PM   #62 
     - Go campaign for Clinton then. I don't think you will achieve much over here.  Katzenkavalier   Jun-07-07 06:06 PM   #63 
     - and we LOSE another election  Ethelk2044   Jun-07-07 06:28 PM   #64 
     - Oh, quit..  Tellurian   Jun-07-07 06:58 PM   #66 
        - Thank you. nt  LBJDemocrat   Jun-07-07 07:09 PM   #67 
     - Even though Clinton IS DLC, Obama would be better "salesman for DLC-style policies"?  zulchzulu   Jun-07-07 11:03 PM   #76 
  - Errors in your points.  zulchzulu   Jun-07-07 07:52 PM   #68 
  - Response  LBJDemocrat   Jun-07-07 10:12 PM   #73 
     - So, by your "conclusions"...  zulchzulu   Jun-07-07 10:53 PM   #74 
  - Dude, if you think Wall Street gives more money to Barrack than Hillary, well...  Capn Sunshine   Jun-07-07 09:50 PM   #70 
  - The citation's up there.  LBJDemocrat   Jun-07-07 10:05 PM   #72 
     - When is Edwards giving back the $193,250 he got from "Wall Street"?  zulchzulu   Jun-07-07 10:56 PM   #75 
  - Having trouble voting for a democrat  etnpoliticalguy   Jun-08-07 08:10 AM   #78 
  - Pay attention: Rudy 52, Hillary 45  Apollo11   Jun-08-07 08:17 AM   #79 
 

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