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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 06:55 PM
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75. I provided evidence, you ignore it.
First, I provided not only his speech to the HASC in September of 02, which you seem to want really badly to interpret in some way that goes against the words and spirit of the speech, but I provided another citation PROVING that Clark called for passage of the IWR the DAY BEFORE it was passed. If you have some evidence, ANY EVIDENCE ANYWHERE, that he told anyone not to vote for the IWR, POST IT. Or admit you are wrong.

As you said, I'm not holding my breath. I expect you will again restate how the evidence I posted is "just my opinion," and that you prefer to believe your position despite all evidence to the contrary.

I won't bother with your Hillary comments. You won't even read Clark's comments.

Once again, for giggles, in Clark's OWN WORDS: The United States diplomacy in the United Nations will be further strengthened if the Congress can adopt a resolution expressing US determination to act if the United Nations will not. The use of force must remain a US option under active consideration.... (snip) The more nearly unanimous the resolution, the greater its impact in the diplomatic efforts underway.

MAYBE the problem is that you misunderstand the IWR. Republicans began spinning the IWR as a "vote for war," and too many Democrats have been fooled by that meme, but that was not it's intention. Clark, like others, was FOR the IWR, and AGAINST the invasion.
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           - Not to steal a line but  William769   Jun-05-07 10:23 PM   #20 
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                             - You don't believe me?  ElizabethDC   Jun-06-07 10:07 AM   #61 
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              - Entirely off topic . . . n/t  ElizabethDC   Jun-05-07 10:33 PM   #32 
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        - Show me  jobycom   Jun-07-07 10:33 AM   #69 
        - Clark spoke to Congress OPPOSING the IWR.....  earthlover   Jun-06-07 09:32 PM   #66 
           - Wrong, wrong, wrong. This myth has to be destroyed.  jobycom   Jun-07-07 10:29 AM   #68 
              - If you read his entire statement to Congress, it does not recommend that the IWR be approved  earthlover   Jun-07-07 11:18 AM   #70 
                 - If you read it, it does. In fact, I posted the evidence, and you pretend it is not there  jobycom   Jun-07-07 12:08 PM   #71 
                    - you obviously read Clark's statement to Congress differently than I do....  earthlover   Jun-07-07 02:07 PM   #74 
                       - I provided evidence, you ignore it.  jobycom   Jun-07-07 06:55 PM   #75 
                          - Clark supported the Levin amendment, not the IWR  earthlover   Jun-08-07 12:02 AM   #76 
                             - more quotes from Clark in Congressional testimony....  earthlover   Jun-08-07 07:48 AM   #79 
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