ellisonz
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Mon Jun-04-07 06:10 AM
Response to Reply #26 |
| 28. Naw, man it's all collateral damage...haven't you seen the movie? |
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I love the smell of napalm in the morning  |
| -Iraq: Is it genocide? |
Husb2Sparkly |
Jun-03-07 03:24 PM |
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Follow the logic of Bush's approach; the ONLY way it CAN be successful |
patrice |
Jun-03-07 03:30 PM |
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what about Clinton's approach? |
welshTerrier2 |
Jun-03-07 03:41 PM |
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I disagree with that construction. |
TheWraith |
Jun-03-07 04:31 PM |
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One innocent person dead is an atrocity |
StudentProgressive |
Jun-03-07 04:32 PM |
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i think that's a more than fair criticism |
welshTerrier2 |
Jun-03-07 04:54 PM |
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seeing lots of data |
welshTerrier2 |
Jun-03-07 05:31 PM |
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the UN program director in Baghdad called the sanctions GENOCIDE |
welshTerrier2 |
Jun-03-07 05:35 PM |
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And That Individual Was Wrong To Do So, Sir |
The Magistrate |
Jun-04-07 01:32 PM |
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Absolutely...n/t |
Madspirit |
Jun-03-07 03:35 PM |
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A matter of definition |
Sadie4629 |
Jun-03-07 03:40 PM |
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nope ... |
welshTerrier2 |
Jun-03-07 04:31 PM |
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I guess, in my own mind, I tend to focus on the words "deliberate and systematic extermination" |
Husb2Sparkly |
Jun-03-07 09:19 PM |
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let's not hang on the labels |
welshTerrier2 |
Jun-03-07 09:40 PM |
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No, actually I was just engaging you in discussion |
Husb2Sparkly |
Jun-04-07 11:55 AM |
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mostly semantics to me |
welshTerrier2 |
Jun-04-07 12:09 PM |
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The proper legal definition is the UN Genocide Convention which the US is party too. |
ellisonz |
Jun-04-07 10:15 PM |
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you are both in error and also correct in part |
MaryBear |
Jun-05-07 01:38 AM |
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Another theory... |
AntiFascist |
Jun-03-07 04:34 PM |
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That depends. By us? No. By others? Yes. |
TheWraith |
Jun-03-07 04:42 PM |
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The Americans are NOT committing genocide |
StudentsMustUniteNow |
Jun-03-07 04:47 PM |
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Well yeah except for the whole bombing the shit out the country and the sanctions... |
ellisonz |
Jun-04-07 06:08 AM |
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We weren't targeting civilians |
gravity |
Jun-04-07 10:37 AM |
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Really, so when you bomb the crap out of a city |
endarkenment |
Jun-04-07 02:24 PM |
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American's love to tell that little white lie. |
ellisonz |
Jun-04-07 03:32 PM |
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Most People, Sir, Hearing The Phrase 'Targetting Civilians' |
The Magistrate |
Jun-04-07 07:12 PM |
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I agree with what you post about 90% of the time, but the semantic argument falls flat. |
ellisonz |
Jun-04-07 10:02 PM |
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We Killed A Number Of Civilians, Sir |
The Magistrate |
Jun-04-07 10:34 PM |
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Intentionally indifferent. |
ellisonz |
Jun-05-07 01:07 AM |
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Abu Graib is A Seperate Matter, Sir |
The Magistrate |
Jun-05-07 02:00 AM |
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Abu Ghraib is not a separate matter. |
ellisonz |
Jun-05-07 05:27 AM |
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Nothing even approaching the level of genocide. Silly question. |
calteacherguy |
Jun-03-07 05:24 PM |
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Its tough to buy the 'silly question' notion when the discussion is so clearly passionate |
Husb2Sparkly |
Jun-04-07 11:39 AM |
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What percentage of Iraqis have to be killed/maimed/displaced |
endarkenment |
Jun-04-07 12:44 PM |
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As a Jew and a descendant of Holocaust survivors... |
ellisonz |
Jun-04-07 10:16 PM |
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Civil War, not Genocide. |
Katzenkavalier |
Jun-03-07 05:32 PM |
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Well that theory raises an interesting question. |
endarkenment |
Jun-04-07 01:59 PM |
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Women and children, men who are not in the Iraqi army, are dying because we chose to invade |
Totally Committed |
Jun-03-07 05:34 PM |
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Imperialistic genocide!! |
Mark_Pogue |
Jun-03-07 07:47 PM |
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Doesn't fit the definition of genocide |
wyldwolf |
Jun-03-07 08:00 PM |
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How many years of our ongoing slaughter qualify it as deliberate? |
endarkenment |
Jun-04-07 12:45 PM |
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You Are Overlooking The Element Of Intent, Sir, And Also Of Agency |
The Magistrate |
Jun-04-07 07:29 PM |
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The legal definition: |
ellisonz |
Jun-04-07 10:18 PM |
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You Mis-Read The Statute, Sir |
The Magistrate |
Jun-04-07 10:45 PM |
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Quick. |
ellisonz |
Jun-05-07 01:14 AM |
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The International Criminal Court, Sir |
The Magistrate |
Jun-05-07 02:15 AM |
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Let's look at the whole picture. |
ellisonz |
Jun-05-07 05:38 AM |
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I'd say it's imperialism with genocidal leanings. nt |
Jed Dilligan |
Jun-03-07 08:46 PM |
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Straight to the point |
AntiFascist |
Jun-04-07 04:00 AM |
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I viewed the first Gulf War |
Jed Dilligan |
Jun-04-07 11:14 AM |
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No, Sir, It Is Not |
The Magistrate |
Jun-03-07 08:50 PM |
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Our sanctions killed many children and now our war |
burrowowl |
Jun-03-07 10:42 PM |
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I voted no it isn't genocide. We're responsible for killing an awful lot of Iraqi |
Auntie Bush |
Jun-03-07 10:52 PM |
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To those who said "No" |
arewenotdemo |
Jun-04-07 04:11 AM |
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Naw, man it's all collateral damage...haven't you seen the movie? |
ellisonz |
Jun-04-07 06:10 AM |
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... |
jmp |
Jun-04-07 12:32 PM |
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oldie but goodie |
GreenArrow |
Jun-04-07 11:56 AM |
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... |
jmp |
Jun-04-07 12:18 PM |
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btw |
jmp |
Jun-04-07 12:26 PM |
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Doesn't matter a damn whether the g-word is invoked or not |
JeffR |
Jun-04-07 12:33 PM |
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Other - Genocide by Indifference |
maxsolomon |
Jun-04-07 12:35 PM |
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"Collateral Damage" is not an excuse. |
endarkenment |
Jun-04-07 12:43 PM |
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Ten years of sanctions and depleted uranium was genocide |
Radical Activist |
Jun-04-07 02:04 PM |
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yes, this was all pre-mediated by this regime we have |
alyce douglas |
Jun-04-07 02:31 PM |
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Its not because that is not our intention. |
bamacrat |
Jun-04-07 04:31 PM |
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What is our intention? |
ellisonz |
Jun-04-07 10:22 PM |
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While genocide is not our intention.. |
mvd |
Jun-05-07 12:03 AM |
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Yes And No |
pretty_lies |
Jun-04-07 04:36 PM |
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Welcome to DU! |
ellisonz |
Jun-04-07 10:24 PM |
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Thank You |
pretty_lies |
Jun-04-07 11:14 PM |
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It is a terribly immoral occupation, and illegal |
mvd |
Jun-04-07 11:25 PM |
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Regarding the Sunni, Sir |
The Magistrate |
Jun-04-07 11:50 PM |
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If the Sunnis oppose us.. |
mvd |
Jun-04-07 11:54 PM |
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Many In Anwar Support Us, Sir, At Least For Now |
The Magistrate |
Jun-05-07 12:14 AM |
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But it's a civil war |
mvd |
Jun-05-07 12:18 AM |
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Of Course It is Civil War, Sir |
The Magistrate |
Jun-05-07 12:37 AM |
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You make some good points, but a lot of mine stand |
mvd |
Jun-05-07 12:41 AM |
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Elaborating a bit more |
mvd |
Jun-05-07 01:18 AM |
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Just A Few Small Further Points, Sir |
The Magistrate |
Jun-05-07 01:37 AM |
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Yes there are exceptions, but you did admit we are.. |
mvd |
Jun-05-07 03:03 PM |
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Let's not forget our betrayal of the Kurds and Shia in 1992. |
ellisonz |
Jun-05-07 01:19 AM |
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An example of genocide |
MaryBear |
Jun-05-07 01:49 AM |
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I'd say *almost there* |
JNelson6563 |
Jun-05-07 05:30 AM |
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