| 55. If Kerry had regrets - why pick Edwards at all? |
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It does make me question exactly why Kerry can be so easily manipulated - he's the final decider, if he wanted Gephart, he should have gone with him.
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| -Kerry's regrets about Edwards |
The Count |
Jun-03-07 10:11 AM |
#0 |
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Yeah. Gephardt would have been so much better. |
eyesroll |
Jun-03-07 10:19 AM |
#1 |
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Kerry and Gephardt...BORING! |
pstans |
Jun-03-07 01:41 PM |
#70 |
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Wes Clark would've been a great choice. |
SharonAnn |
Jun-03-07 03:43 PM |
#82 |
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Looking back, he really would have |
politicasista |
Jun-03-07 03:44 PM |
#83 |
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Actually, he would have been much better. |
Vash the Stampede |
Jun-04-07 09:50 AM |
#152 |
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Listen here: Bob Schrum is a fuckwad. |
PDittie |
Jun-03-07 10:19 AM |
#2 |
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he is. But he has direct knowledge of things that happened. Some ring true. |
The Count |
Jun-03-07 10:26 AM |
#5 |
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"Some ring true" means "Some support my biases" |
doggyboy |
Jun-03-07 10:30 AM |
#11 |
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My "biases" are based on his votes, speeches. The "southern/DLC" thinghie |
The Count |
Jun-03-07 10:39 AM |
#15 |
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I see. I was confused |
doggyboy |
Jun-03-07 10:53 AM |
#23 |
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That one with the son also reminded me of a story he used as a lawyer about talking |
The Count |
Jun-03-07 11:00 AM |
#29 |
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True that |
doggyboy |
Jun-03-07 11:07 AM |
#33 |
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here's why I believe the Wade story: |
The Count |
Jun-03-07 11:38 AM |
#40 |
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Yes, it's a reasonable conclusion, given the facts |
doggyboy |
Jun-03-07 11:46 AM |
#43 |
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Edwards has told the story many times and I've seen it repeated before |
jcrew2001 |
Jun-03-07 11:54 AM |
#46 |
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"lawyerspeak!" Wow! I guess so it's this: |
The Count |
Jun-03-07 05:02 PM |
#92 |
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I'm sure he can mention Wade's death in private settings |
jcrew2001 |
Jun-03-07 06:55 PM |
#114 |
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He doesn't mention it on the stump but he does in ever interview. |
Auntie Bush |
Jun-03-07 11:02 PM |
#137 |
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"That bugs me" |
GreenArrow |
Jun-04-07 10:30 AM |
#154 |
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Darn politicians are using their personal tragedies as metaphors |
jcrew2001 |
Jun-04-07 04:37 PM |
#164 |
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somteimes that may be true |
GreenArrow |
Jun-04-07 08:13 PM |
#172 |
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Interesting quotes from Shrum's book in this article. |
lyonn |
Jun-04-07 06:38 PM |
#169 |
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Bush had the popular suppor of the war by the citizens |
jcrew2001 |
Jun-03-07 12:00 PM |
#48 |
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But now, it's only lawyerspeaky opportunistic to join the new majority and be "anti-war" |
The Count |
Jun-03-07 05:07 PM |
#93 |
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There's nothing wrong with being a progressive |
jcrew2001 |
Jun-03-07 06:53 PM |
#113 |
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I can't believe some of the things I see on DU |
doggyboy |
Jun-03-07 10:28 AM |
#8 |
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Thank you n/t |
politicasista |
Jun-03-07 03:40 PM |
#81 |
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I have a question regarding these Shrum/Edwards threads... |
Clark2008 |
Jun-03-07 03:59 PM |
#86 |
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then he has the nerve to attack Obama for not coming out against the supplemental fast enough |
darboy |
Jun-05-07 05:27 AM |
#179 |
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Is Kerry attempting to sabotage Edwards? |
Straight Shooter |
Jun-03-07 10:21 AM |
#3 |
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Well, this is a Shrum book/article - but the knowledge is direct. |
The Count |
Jun-03-07 10:28 AM |
#6 |
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Knowledge or lie? |
doggyboy |
Jun-03-07 10:30 AM |
#12 |
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Another Kerry.. FLIP-FLOP! |
Tellurian |
Jun-03-07 10:33 AM |
#13 |
| -
Again, this is a Shrum article - no proof it was prompted by Kerry |
The Count |
Jun-03-07 10:44 AM |
#17 |
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Well, I will be watching for a rebuttal from Kerry.. |
Tellurian |
Jun-03-07 11:04 AM |
#31 |
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I am hardly a Kerry fan, but in all fairness, he behaved with class considering |
The Count |
Jun-03-07 05:10 PM |
#94 |
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Edwards was positioning himself for 2008 and why would Kerry |
jcrew2001 |
Jun-03-07 12:05 PM |
#50 |
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From the op the comment was after the election |
karynnj |
Jun-03-07 12:47 PM |
#61 |
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Why does Edwards and Kerry have to be best friends? |
jcrew2001 |
Jun-03-07 03:10 PM |
#78 |
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They don't. Character however shows in these actions- and while I don't care |
The Count |
Jun-03-07 05:14 PM |
#95 |
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It doesn't surprise me that a politician would be an opportunist |
jcrew2001 |
Jun-03-07 06:48 PM |
#111 |
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And JFK & LBJ Simply LOVED Each Other!! |
ChiciB1 |
Jun-04-07 05:06 PM |
#168 |
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I agree - also Kerry never complained about that |
karynnj |
Jun-03-07 10:51 PM |
#136 |
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UNGRATEFUL???? n/t |
Inuca |
Jun-03-07 12:12 PM |
#53 |
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uh oh. Is this the beginning post of a new DU myth?? |
wyldwolf |
Jun-03-07 10:28 AM |
#7 |
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I believe this like I believe the last 4 "terra" plots |
Warpy |
Jun-03-07 10:22 AM |
#4 |
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Shrum is likely exaggerating incidents to help his REAL political partners - |
blm |
Jun-03-07 10:29 AM |
#10 |
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Occam's razor. |
Straight Shooter |
Jun-03-07 10:53 AM |
#22 |
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Shrum DID participate on winning teams - Gore and Kerry both won, while DNC's |
blm |
Jun-03-07 11:22 AM |
#38 |
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Kerry lost. |
Katzenkavalier |
Jun-03-07 01:01 PM |
#62 |
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RNC stole it for Bush. |
blm |
Jun-03-07 01:05 PM |
#64 |
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Kerry lost. |
Katzenkavalier |
Jun-03-07 01:37 PM |
#69 |
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Nope - he won - then threw his hands up. Edwards too - and we're supposed |
The Count |
Jun-03-07 04:55 PM |
#90 |
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Kerry ran a lousy campaign and he lost. |
Katzenkavalier |
Jun-03-07 04:58 PM |
#91 |
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Bush had people backing him up. The 04 nominee got no party or media support |
politicasista |
Jun-03-07 05:19 PM |
#98 |
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Bush's was lousier, but they stole it. |
The Count |
Jun-03-07 05:29 PM |
#104 |
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The party didn't back them up. |
politicasista |
Jun-03-07 05:35 PM |
#106 |
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Define lost. |
cui bono |
Jun-03-07 05:46 PM |
#108 |
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I despise that sentiment |
themartyred |
Jun-03-07 07:15 PM |
#115 |
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Shrum failed them, all the same. He failed to highlight their strengths. |
Straight Shooter |
Jun-03-07 05:29 PM |
#103 |
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ding ding ding |
hlthe2b |
Jun-03-07 11:09 AM |
#34 |
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Shrum Was On Washington Journal This AM & Didn't Take A Swipe |
ChiciB1 |
Jun-04-07 09:10 AM |
#151 |
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Well, maybe he's waiting for Edwards to come out and stop a few internet myths |
blm |
Jun-04-07 12:13 PM |
#163 |
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Kerry's campaign in 2004 revealed an impotent and lackluster Kerry |
derby378 |
Jun-03-07 10:29 AM |
#9 |
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And he does not talk. Some people needs to learn how to read. This is Shrum talking. |
Mass |
Jun-03-07 10:45 AM |
#18 |
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I agree - on Kerry not having publicly ever criticised Edwards |
karynnj |
Jun-03-07 01:19 PM |
#66 |
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Half the things you say are wrong |
karynnj |
Jun-03-07 01:07 PM |
#65 |
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First, I never believed that Saddam was a threat to America... |
derby378 |
Jun-04-07 11:41 AM |
#161 |
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So Shrum is lying because we don't like what he is saying? |
Katzenkavalier |
Jun-03-07 10:37 AM |
#14 |
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Who likes listening to someone who favours maybe works for the other side? Do you? |
KCabotDullesMarxIII |
Jun-03-07 10:46 AM |
#19 |
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If the guy is just talking about what he saw during the 04 campaign |
Katzenkavalier |
Jun-03-07 10:56 AM |
#25 |
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No. It always depends on the speaker with me. |
KCabotDullesMarxIII |
Jun-03-07 01:20 PM |
#67 |
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Yup. It's the DU logic - especially when it comes to Edwards - due to the large |
The Count |
Jun-03-07 10:46 AM |
#20 |
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It's not that I think Shrum is lying |
doggyboy |
Jun-03-07 10:55 AM |
#24 |
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So, even if it's true, you prefer not to believe it. |
Katzenkavalier |
Jun-03-07 10:57 AM |
#26 |
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Nice try, but no |
doggyboy |
Jun-03-07 11:05 AM |
#32 |
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I'd say there are less operatives for any given candidate.... |
hlthe2b |
Jun-03-07 11:21 AM |
#37 |
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Now there's some stellar logic right there. |
Lex |
Jun-03-07 11:52 AM |
#45 |
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Shrum may be lying because he has a history of lying... |
hlthe2b |
Jun-03-07 11:15 AM |
#35 |
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True, but then # 36 would prove the same...It's why I don't trust Edwards |
The Count |
Jun-03-07 11:43 AM |
#42 |
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I would say that some things he says are open to debate |
karynnj |
Jun-03-07 01:35 PM |
#68 |
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Can we please stop rehashing this, ad nauseum? |
Totally Committed |
Jun-03-07 10:44 AM |
#16 |
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It's a Time article, relevant to one of the candidates RUNNING NOW |
The Count |
Jun-03-07 10:49 AM |
#21 |
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The "Wade" story is particularly interesting. |
Katzenkavalier |
Jun-03-07 10:57 AM |
#27 |
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While its shady to talk about your dead son |
jcrew2001 |
Jun-03-07 12:09 PM |
#51 |
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But it seems, according to Shrum, that Edwards |
Katzenkavalier |
Jun-03-07 01:02 PM |
#63 |
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If Kerry/Schrum thought it was BS thats possible - its like trying to gain sympathy |
jcrew2001 |
Jun-03-07 03:04 PM |
#77 |
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But this was hashed and rehashed over a week ago here. |
MaineDem |
Jun-03-07 10:57 AM |
#28 |
| -
I realize that, and maybe I'm just being cranky, but I'm tired of re-hashing 2004 |
Totally Committed |
Jun-03-07 11:00 AM |
#30 |
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2004 depresses me too - mostly because of the silence over the theft |
The Count |
Jun-03-07 11:19 AM |
#36 |
| -
So he's a good lawyer that knows how to manipulate the emotions of jurors |
jcrew2001 |
Jun-03-07 12:11 PM |
#52 |
| -
Edwards was far from convincing during his debate with Cheney.... |
earthlover |
Jun-03-07 12:27 PM |
#56 |
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yeah, but doesn't mean he shouldn't try |
jcrew2001 |
Jun-03-07 12:33 PM |
#57 |
| -
Cheney is excellent in debates |
Awsi Dooger |
Jun-05-07 04:57 AM |
#178 |
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He's lucky no one like me was on the jury |
karynnj |
Jun-03-07 01:44 PM |
#71 |
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Yeah, but If I were a victim, I would want Edwards as my attorney |
jcrew2001 |
Jun-03-07 03:02 PM |
#76 |
| -
I would only want to sue someone if I were genuinely victimized |
karynnj |
Jun-03-07 10:02 PM |
#125 |
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Edwards was not the DLC candidate! Ever heard of Lieberman? n/t |
ProSense |
Jun-03-07 12:35 PM |
#58 |
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Yes, he was, but, just like this year's race, there are several |
Clark2008 |
Jun-03-07 04:05 PM |
#87 |
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Edwards postively out-shone a lackluster Kerry at every turn in 2004. |
Lex |
Jun-03-07 11:36 AM |
#39 |
| -
Really? because the 2004 results in his state. county didn't show that at all |
The Count |
Jun-03-07 11:41 AM |
#41 |
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LOL--yeah. Shrum's highly questionable (read: probably lying) POV |
Lex |
Jun-03-07 11:48 AM |
#44 |
| -
Lackluster? |
fedupinBushcountry |
Jun-03-07 11:55 AM |
#47 |
| -
I saw them in person too and Edwards electrified the crowd |
Lex |
Jun-03-07 12:04 PM |
#49 |
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Why did Kerry drop the Real Deal theme during the general election |
jcrew2001 |
Jun-03-07 12:13 PM |
#54 |
| -
Oh really ? |
fedupinBushcountry |
Jun-03-07 12:46 PM |
#60 |
| -
Wow, that's the first time I've seen it since NH 2004 |
jcrew2001 |
Jun-03-07 03:01 PM |
#75 |
| -
If Kerry had regrets - why pick Edwards at all? |
jcrew2001 |
Jun-03-07 12:15 PM |
#55 |
| -
during the week or two before the convention, the media was ALL EDWARDS |
earthlover |
Jun-03-07 12:36 PM |
#59 |
| -
Edwards can repeat the Wade story as much as he wants, its his dead son |
jcrew2001 |
Jun-03-07 02:59 PM |
#74 |
| -
True - but he made the point that he doesn't want to use him in campaigns. To NYT. |
The Count |
Jun-03-07 05:25 PM |
#101 |
| -
He only chooses to mention his son at important moments |
jcrew2001 |
Jun-03-07 06:50 PM |
#112 |
| -
There was some money blackmail from contributors according to the Observer |
The Count |
Jun-03-07 05:32 PM |
#105 |
| -
Kerry out shone Edwards |
karynnj |
Jun-03-07 01:50 PM |
#72 |
| -
I remember reading |
seasonedblue |
Jun-03-07 02:00 PM |
#73 |
| -
I'm old enough to remember when this sort of thing was the way |
roguevalley |
Jun-03-07 03:16 PM |
#79 |
| -
I won't disagree with you |
seasonedblue |
Jun-03-07 03:44 PM |
#84 |
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you and i agree, seasonedblue |
roguevalley |
Jun-03-07 10:21 PM |
#131 |
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Bush also thinks he has a personal plan that helps people - he's helping Iraqis |
The Count |
Jun-03-07 05:46 PM |
#109 |
| -
"media favorite" - he was really pushed my the propaganda manipulators. |
The Count |
Jun-03-07 05:27 PM |
#102 |
| -
Kerry isn't running, so why rehash this? |
politicasista |
Jun-03-07 03:36 PM |
#80 |
| -
Because Edwards is - and the story is about him, as far as I am concerned |
The Count |
Jun-03-07 05:19 PM |
#99 |
| -
It seems more about |
politicasista |
Jun-03-07 05:38 PM |
#107 |
| -
Why does ANYONE trust SHRUM? |
Kerry2008 |
Jun-03-07 03:46 PM |
#85 |
| -
Why does anyone trust Edwards? |
Clark2008 |
Jun-03-07 04:08 PM |
#89 |
| -
Why does ANYONE trust EDWARDS? |
GreenArrow |
Jun-04-07 10:56 AM |
#156 |
| -
Shrum on the first debate |
ProSense |
Jun-03-07 04:06 PM |
#88 |
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Not as outrageous as you'd like to make it. he is a consultant - therefore |
The Count |
Jun-03-07 05:22 PM |
#100 |
| -
The story about his son's grave...sounds manipulative. |
calteacherguy |
Jun-03-07 05:14 PM |
#96 |
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That's what I refrained to voice throughout most of this second campaign. |
The Count |
Jun-03-07 05:18 PM |
#97 |
| -
ya know, |
themartyred |
Jun-03-07 07:22 PM |
#116 |
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Absolutely chilling. I'd never heard that one before. I guess if Edwards won the White House, |
smalll |
Jun-03-07 10:18 PM |
#129 |
| -
I don't believe one word of Shrum's about that alleged incident. |
BlueIris |
Jun-04-07 07:47 AM |
#149 |
| -
of course that's what he does |
GreenArrow |
Jun-04-07 10:58 AM |
#158 |
| -
I regret Kerry (no one was excited for him) |
StudentProgressive |
Jun-03-07 05:51 PM |
#110 |
| -
sorry, your comment is dead wrong |
themartyred |
Jun-03-07 07:24 PM |
#117 |
| -
Thanks for the real world perspective |
politicasista |
Jun-03-07 07:31 PM |
#118 |
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you're more than welcome |
themartyred |
Jun-03-07 10:12 PM |
#127 |
| -
No one |
globalvillage |
Jun-03-07 08:33 PM |
#119 |
| -
That was the Anybody But Bush rally not Yay Kerry Rally |
StudentProgressive |
Jun-03-07 09:32 PM |
#120 |
| -
i supported Kerry |
JI7 |
Jun-03-07 09:42 PM |
#122 |
| -
Exactly n/t |
politicasista |
Jun-03-07 09:42 PM |
#123 |
| -
Baloney. n/t |
globalvillage |
Jun-03-07 09:44 PM |
#124 |
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I love how you respond to their pic of the large crowd |
themartyred |
Jun-03-07 10:19 PM |
#130 |
| -
As a blue stater, I missed the 2004 rallies |
karynnj |
Jun-03-07 10:42 PM |
#135 |
| -
you rock! |
themartyred |
Jun-04-07 02:07 AM |
#143 |
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I'm glad you said that, |
seasonedblue |
Jun-04-07 02:15 AM |
#145 |
| -
thank you |
themartyred |
Jun-04-07 12:07 PM |
#162 |
| -
Were you there? |
karynnj |
Jun-03-07 10:29 PM |
#134 |
| -
DON'T EXPECT AN INTELLIGENT ANSWER.... |
themartyred |
Jun-04-07 02:08 AM |
#144 |
| -
In January, Dean polled 20 points behind Bush |
karynnj |
Jun-03-07 10:16 PM |
#128 |
| -
I was - Many people were. Get real!\nt |
Mass |
Jun-04-07 06:58 AM |
#147 |
| -
You've Done This One Before! Okay WE Get The Message! |
ChiciB1 |
Jun-03-07 09:40 PM |
#121 |
| -
VERY accurate statement... makes ya wonder, huh? n/t |
themartyred |
Jun-03-07 10:23 PM |
#133 |
| -
To remind people who the real John Edwards is. |
Clark2008 |
Jun-03-07 11:04 PM |
#138 |
| -
What I Do See Is That THEY ALL Are MANIPULATIVE! It' Politics & I've Been Around |
ChiciB1 |
Jun-04-07 09:03 AM |
#150 |
| -
I wished Kerry would have "gone with his gut" a lot more |
skipos |
Jun-03-07 10:04 PM |
#126 |
| -
Read Elizabeth Edwards reply to these idiotic comments |
question everything |
Jun-03-07 10:23 PM |
#132 |
| -
Oh Good Lord |
seasonedblue |
Jun-03-07 11:39 PM |
#139 |
| -
This is less than coherent |
karynnj |
Jun-04-07 07:03 AM |
#148 |
| -
If she brought up snaking |
seasonedblue |
Jun-04-07 10:25 AM |
#153 |
| -
I honestly think she would have done better to |
karynnj |
Jun-04-07 10:58 AM |
#159 |
| -
Well... Blitzer asked her |
question everything |
Jun-04-07 11:15 AM |
#160 |
| -
I don't think that is changing the subject |
karynnj |
Jun-04-07 04:59 PM |
#167 |
| -
Kerry's biggest mistake was picking Edwards |
TheDonkey |
Jun-03-07 11:44 PM |
#140 |
| -
Kerry walked away from 2004..EDWARDS wanted to FIGHT! |
Roxy66 |
Jun-03-07 11:54 PM |
#141 |
| -
That's easy to say..... |
FrenchieCat |
Jun-04-07 12:18 AM |
#142 |
| -
True - Edwards said nothing publicly in 2005, even about the |
karynnj |
Jun-04-07 06:56 AM |
#146 |
| -
Edwards was/is on an ego trip. |
high density |
Jun-04-07 09:34 PM |
#175 |
| -
I regret it too because if he had chosen Clark...he would have won in |
Auntie Bush |
Jun-04-07 10:40 AM |
#155 |
| -
Wow. So Kerry thinks Edwards caused him to lose? |
Truth Hurts A Lot |
Jun-04-07 10:58 AM |
#157 |
| -
it apparently eases the pain |
AtomicKitten |
Jun-04-07 04:57 PM |
#166 |
| -
Shrum is a shmuck |
LittleClarkie |
Jun-04-07 04:53 PM |
#165 |
| -
Kerry was edawrads' mistake. |
Mark 2000 |
Jun-04-07 07:17 PM |
#170 |
| -
That's sounds like something from Faux news n/t |
politicasista |
Jun-04-07 07:21 PM |
#171 |
| -
I don't believe anything Shrum says... |
NastyRiffraff |
Jun-04-07 09:15 PM |
#173 |
| -
Indeed. Kerry will have to come out and say this himself |
LittleClarkie |
Jun-04-07 09:19 PM |
#174 |
| -
I think it's interesting to take a peek inside. |
AtomicKitten |
Jun-04-07 09:40 PM |
#176 |
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Here's a funny post I found on Free Republic |
Apollo11 |
Jun-05-07 04:23 AM |
#177 |
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