| 46. Edwards has told the story many times and I've seen it repeated before |
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just because he said "he never told anyone else" was lawyer-speak to gain confidence between 2 people; and to bring greater emotion to the personal tragedy that happened.
Many people use this all time "just between me and you", "i've never told anyone this but..." - Its not uncommon for people to share secrets or emotional experiences to personal friends by emphasizing "that confidential friendship." even when "those secrets" may have been repeated before.
Its the same idea with fraternities - 'personal secrets bind people together' particularly when its as emotional as the death of a son.
|
| -Kerry's regrets about Edwards |
The Count |
Jun-03-07 10:11 AM |
#0 |
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Yeah. Gephardt would have been so much better. |
eyesroll |
Jun-03-07 10:19 AM |
#1 |
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Kerry and Gephardt...BORING! |
pstans |
Jun-03-07 01:41 PM |
#70 |
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Wes Clark would've been a great choice. |
SharonAnn |
Jun-03-07 03:43 PM |
#82 |
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Looking back, he really would have |
politicasista |
Jun-03-07 03:44 PM |
#83 |
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Actually, he would have been much better. |
Vash the Stampede |
Jun-04-07 09:50 AM |
#152 |
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Listen here: Bob Schrum is a fuckwad. |
PDittie |
Jun-03-07 10:19 AM |
#2 |
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he is. But he has direct knowledge of things that happened. Some ring true. |
The Count |
Jun-03-07 10:26 AM |
#5 |
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"Some ring true" means "Some support my biases" |
doggyboy |
Jun-03-07 10:30 AM |
#11 |
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My "biases" are based on his votes, speeches. The "southern/DLC" thinghie |
The Count |
Jun-03-07 10:39 AM |
#15 |
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I see. I was confused |
doggyboy |
Jun-03-07 10:53 AM |
#23 |
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That one with the son also reminded me of a story he used as a lawyer about talking |
The Count |
Jun-03-07 11:00 AM |
#29 |
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True that |
doggyboy |
Jun-03-07 11:07 AM |
#33 |
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here's why I believe the Wade story: |
The Count |
Jun-03-07 11:38 AM |
#40 |
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Yes, it's a reasonable conclusion, given the facts |
doggyboy |
Jun-03-07 11:46 AM |
#43 |
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Edwards has told the story many times and I've seen it repeated before |
jcrew2001 |
Jun-03-07 11:54 AM |
#46 |
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"lawyerspeak!" Wow! I guess so it's this: |
The Count |
Jun-03-07 05:02 PM |
#92 |
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I'm sure he can mention Wade's death in private settings |
jcrew2001 |
Jun-03-07 06:55 PM |
#114 |
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He doesn't mention it on the stump but he does in ever interview. |
Auntie Bush |
Jun-03-07 11:02 PM |
#137 |
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"That bugs me" |
GreenArrow |
Jun-04-07 10:30 AM |
#154 |
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Darn politicians are using their personal tragedies as metaphors |
jcrew2001 |
Jun-04-07 04:37 PM |
#164 |
| -
somteimes that may be true |
GreenArrow |
Jun-04-07 08:13 PM |
#172 |
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Interesting quotes from Shrum's book in this article. |
lyonn |
Jun-04-07 06:38 PM |
#169 |
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Bush had the popular suppor of the war by the citizens |
jcrew2001 |
Jun-03-07 12:00 PM |
#48 |
| -
But now, it's only lawyerspeaky opportunistic to join the new majority and be "anti-war" |
The Count |
Jun-03-07 05:07 PM |
#93 |
| -
There's nothing wrong with being a progressive |
jcrew2001 |
Jun-03-07 06:53 PM |
#113 |
| -
I can't believe some of the things I see on DU |
doggyboy |
Jun-03-07 10:28 AM |
#8 |
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Thank you n/t |
politicasista |
Jun-03-07 03:40 PM |
#81 |
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I have a question regarding these Shrum/Edwards threads... |
Clark2008 |
Jun-03-07 03:59 PM |
#86 |
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then he has the nerve to attack Obama for not coming out against the supplemental fast enough |
darboy |
Jun-05-07 05:27 AM |
#179 |
| -
Is Kerry attempting to sabotage Edwards? |
Straight Shooter |
Jun-03-07 10:21 AM |
#3 |
| -
Well, this is a Shrum book/article - but the knowledge is direct. |
The Count |
Jun-03-07 10:28 AM |
#6 |
| -
Knowledge or lie? |
doggyboy |
Jun-03-07 10:30 AM |
#12 |
| -
Another Kerry.. FLIP-FLOP! |
Tellurian |
Jun-03-07 10:33 AM |
#13 |
| -
Again, this is a Shrum article - no proof it was prompted by Kerry |
The Count |
Jun-03-07 10:44 AM |
#17 |
| -
Well, I will be watching for a rebuttal from Kerry.. |
Tellurian |
Jun-03-07 11:04 AM |
#31 |
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I am hardly a Kerry fan, but in all fairness, he behaved with class considering |
The Count |
Jun-03-07 05:10 PM |
#94 |
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Edwards was positioning himself for 2008 and why would Kerry |
jcrew2001 |
Jun-03-07 12:05 PM |
#50 |
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From the op the comment was after the election |
karynnj |
Jun-03-07 12:47 PM |
#61 |
| -
Why does Edwards and Kerry have to be best friends? |
jcrew2001 |
Jun-03-07 03:10 PM |
#78 |
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They don't. Character however shows in these actions- and while I don't care |
The Count |
Jun-03-07 05:14 PM |
#95 |
| -
It doesn't surprise me that a politician would be an opportunist |
jcrew2001 |
Jun-03-07 06:48 PM |
#111 |
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And JFK & LBJ Simply LOVED Each Other!! |
ChiciB1 |
Jun-04-07 05:06 PM |
#168 |
| -
I agree - also Kerry never complained about that |
karynnj |
Jun-03-07 10:51 PM |
#136 |
| -
UNGRATEFUL???? n/t |
Inuca |
Jun-03-07 12:12 PM |
#53 |
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uh oh. Is this the beginning post of a new DU myth?? |
wyldwolf |
Jun-03-07 10:28 AM |
#7 |
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I believe this like I believe the last 4 "terra" plots |
Warpy |
Jun-03-07 10:22 AM |
#4 |
| -
Shrum is likely exaggerating incidents to help his REAL political partners - |
blm |
Jun-03-07 10:29 AM |
#10 |
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Occam's razor. |
Straight Shooter |
Jun-03-07 10:53 AM |
#22 |
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Shrum DID participate on winning teams - Gore and Kerry both won, while DNC's |
blm |
Jun-03-07 11:22 AM |
#38 |
| -
Kerry lost. |
Katzenkavalier |
Jun-03-07 01:01 PM |
#62 |
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RNC stole it for Bush. |
blm |
Jun-03-07 01:05 PM |
#64 |
| -
Kerry lost. |
Katzenkavalier |
Jun-03-07 01:37 PM |
#69 |
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Nope - he won - then threw his hands up. Edwards too - and we're supposed |
The Count |
Jun-03-07 04:55 PM |
#90 |
| -
Kerry ran a lousy campaign and he lost. |
Katzenkavalier |
Jun-03-07 04:58 PM |
#91 |
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Bush had people backing him up. The 04 nominee got no party or media support |
politicasista |
Jun-03-07 05:19 PM |
#98 |
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Bush's was lousier, but they stole it. |
The Count |
Jun-03-07 05:29 PM |
#104 |
| -
The party didn't back them up. |
politicasista |
Jun-03-07 05:35 PM |
#106 |
| -
Define lost. |
cui bono |
Jun-03-07 05:46 PM |
#108 |
| -
I despise that sentiment |
themartyred |
Jun-03-07 07:15 PM |
#115 |
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Shrum failed them, all the same. He failed to highlight their strengths. |
Straight Shooter |
Jun-03-07 05:29 PM |
#103 |
| -
ding ding ding |
hlthe2b |
Jun-03-07 11:09 AM |
#34 |
| -
Shrum Was On Washington Journal This AM & Didn't Take A Swipe |
ChiciB1 |
Jun-04-07 09:10 AM |
#151 |
| -
Well, maybe he's waiting for Edwards to come out and stop a few internet myths |
blm |
Jun-04-07 12:13 PM |
#163 |
| -
Kerry's campaign in 2004 revealed an impotent and lackluster Kerry |
derby378 |
Jun-03-07 10:29 AM |
#9 |
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And he does not talk. Some people needs to learn how to read. This is Shrum talking. |
Mass |
Jun-03-07 10:45 AM |
#18 |
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I agree - on Kerry not having publicly ever criticised Edwards |
karynnj |
Jun-03-07 01:19 PM |
#66 |
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Half the things you say are wrong |
karynnj |
Jun-03-07 01:07 PM |
#65 |
| -
First, I never believed that Saddam was a threat to America... |
derby378 |
Jun-04-07 11:41 AM |
#161 |
| -
So Shrum is lying because we don't like what he is saying? |
Katzenkavalier |
Jun-03-07 10:37 AM |
#14 |
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Who likes listening to someone who favours maybe works for the other side? Do you? |
KCabotDullesMarxIII |
Jun-03-07 10:46 AM |
#19 |
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If the guy is just talking about what he saw during the 04 campaign |
Katzenkavalier |
Jun-03-07 10:56 AM |
#25 |
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No. It always depends on the speaker with me. |
KCabotDullesMarxIII |
Jun-03-07 01:20 PM |
#67 |
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Yup. It's the DU logic - especially when it comes to Edwards - due to the large |
The Count |
Jun-03-07 10:46 AM |
#20 |
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It's not that I think Shrum is lying |
doggyboy |
Jun-03-07 10:55 AM |
#24 |
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So, even if it's true, you prefer not to believe it. |
Katzenkavalier |
Jun-03-07 10:57 AM |
#26 |
| -
Nice try, but no |
doggyboy |
Jun-03-07 11:05 AM |
#32 |
| -
I'd say there are less operatives for any given candidate.... |
hlthe2b |
Jun-03-07 11:21 AM |
#37 |
| -
Now there's some stellar logic right there. |
Lex |
Jun-03-07 11:52 AM |
#45 |
| -
Shrum may be lying because he has a history of lying... |
hlthe2b |
Jun-03-07 11:15 AM |
#35 |
| -
True, but then # 36 would prove the same...It's why I don't trust Edwards |
The Count |
Jun-03-07 11:43 AM |
#42 |
| -
I would say that some things he says are open to debate |
karynnj |
Jun-03-07 01:35 PM |
#68 |
| -
Can we please stop rehashing this, ad nauseum? |
Totally Committed |
Jun-03-07 10:44 AM |
#16 |
| -
It's a Time article, relevant to one of the candidates RUNNING NOW |
The Count |
Jun-03-07 10:49 AM |
#21 |
| -
The "Wade" story is particularly interesting. |
Katzenkavalier |
Jun-03-07 10:57 AM |
#27 |
| -
While its shady to talk about your dead son |
jcrew2001 |
Jun-03-07 12:09 PM |
#51 |
| -
But it seems, according to Shrum, that Edwards |
Katzenkavalier |
Jun-03-07 01:02 PM |
#63 |
| -
If Kerry/Schrum thought it was BS thats possible - its like trying to gain sympathy |
jcrew2001 |
Jun-03-07 03:04 PM |
#77 |
| -
But this was hashed and rehashed over a week ago here. |
MaineDem |
Jun-03-07 10:57 AM |
#28 |
| -
I realize that, and maybe I'm just being cranky, but I'm tired of re-hashing 2004 |
Totally Committed |
Jun-03-07 11:00 AM |
#30 |
| -
2004 depresses me too - mostly because of the silence over the theft |
The Count |
Jun-03-07 11:19 AM |
#36 |
| -
So he's a good lawyer that knows how to manipulate the emotions of jurors |
jcrew2001 |
Jun-03-07 12:11 PM |
#52 |
| -
Edwards was far from convincing during his debate with Cheney.... |
earthlover |
Jun-03-07 12:27 PM |
#56 |
| -
yeah, but doesn't mean he shouldn't try |
jcrew2001 |
Jun-03-07 12:33 PM |
#57 |
| -
Cheney is excellent in debates |
Awsi Dooger |
Jun-05-07 04:57 AM |
#178 |
| -
He's lucky no one like me was on the jury |
karynnj |
Jun-03-07 01:44 PM |
#71 |
| -
Yeah, but If I were a victim, I would want Edwards as my attorney |
jcrew2001 |
Jun-03-07 03:02 PM |
#76 |
| -
I would only want to sue someone if I were genuinely victimized |
karynnj |
Jun-03-07 10:02 PM |
#125 |
| -
Edwards was not the DLC candidate! Ever heard of Lieberman? n/t |
ProSense |
Jun-03-07 12:35 PM |
#58 |
| -
Yes, he was, but, just like this year's race, there are several |
Clark2008 |
Jun-03-07 04:05 PM |
#87 |
| -
Edwards postively out-shone a lackluster Kerry at every turn in 2004. |
Lex |
Jun-03-07 11:36 AM |
#39 |
| -
Really? because the 2004 results in his state. county didn't show that at all |
The Count |
Jun-03-07 11:41 AM |
#41 |
| -
LOL--yeah. Shrum's highly questionable (read: probably lying) POV |
Lex |
Jun-03-07 11:48 AM |
#44 |
| -
Lackluster? |
fedupinBushcountry |
Jun-03-07 11:55 AM |
#47 |
| -
I saw them in person too and Edwards electrified the crowd |
Lex |
Jun-03-07 12:04 PM |
#49 |
| -
Why did Kerry drop the Real Deal theme during the general election |
jcrew2001 |
Jun-03-07 12:13 PM |
#54 |
| -
Oh really ? |
fedupinBushcountry |
Jun-03-07 12:46 PM |
#60 |
| -
Wow, that's the first time I've seen it since NH 2004 |
jcrew2001 |
Jun-03-07 03:01 PM |
#75 |
| -
If Kerry had regrets - why pick Edwards at all? |
jcrew2001 |
Jun-03-07 12:15 PM |
#55 |
| -
during the week or two before the convention, the media was ALL EDWARDS |
earthlover |
Jun-03-07 12:36 PM |
#59 |
| -
Edwards can repeat the Wade story as much as he wants, its his dead son |
jcrew2001 |
Jun-03-07 02:59 PM |
#74 |
| -
True - but he made the point that he doesn't want to use him in campaigns. To NYT. |
The Count |
Jun-03-07 05:25 PM |
#101 |
| -
He only chooses to mention his son at important moments |
jcrew2001 |
Jun-03-07 06:50 PM |
#112 |
| -
There was some money blackmail from contributors according to the Observer |
The Count |
Jun-03-07 05:32 PM |
#105 |
| -
Kerry out shone Edwards |
karynnj |
Jun-03-07 01:50 PM |
#72 |
| -
I remember reading |
seasonedblue |
Jun-03-07 02:00 PM |
#73 |
| -
I'm old enough to remember when this sort of thing was the way |
roguevalley |
Jun-03-07 03:16 PM |
#79 |
| -
I won't disagree with you |
seasonedblue |
Jun-03-07 03:44 PM |
#84 |
| -
you and i agree, seasonedblue |
roguevalley |
Jun-03-07 10:21 PM |
#131 |
| -
Bush also thinks he has a personal plan that helps people - he's helping Iraqis |
The Count |
Jun-03-07 05:46 PM |
#109 |
| -
"media favorite" - he was really pushed my the propaganda manipulators. |
The Count |
Jun-03-07 05:27 PM |
#102 |
| -
Kerry isn't running, so why rehash this? |
politicasista |
Jun-03-07 03:36 PM |
#80 |
| -
Because Edwards is - and the story is about him, as far as I am concerned |
The Count |
Jun-03-07 05:19 PM |
#99 |
| -
It seems more about |
politicasista |
Jun-03-07 05:38 PM |
#107 |
| -
Why does ANYONE trust SHRUM? |
Kerry2008 |
Jun-03-07 03:46 PM |
#85 |
| -
Why does anyone trust Edwards? |
Clark2008 |
Jun-03-07 04:08 PM |
#89 |
| -
Why does ANYONE trust EDWARDS? |
GreenArrow |
Jun-04-07 10:56 AM |
#156 |
| -
Shrum on the first debate |
ProSense |
Jun-03-07 04:06 PM |
#88 |
| -
Not as outrageous as you'd like to make it. he is a consultant - therefore |
The Count |
Jun-03-07 05:22 PM |
#100 |
| -
The story about his son's grave...sounds manipulative. |
calteacherguy |
Jun-03-07 05:14 PM |
#96 |
| -
That's what I refrained to voice throughout most of this second campaign. |
The Count |
Jun-03-07 05:18 PM |
#97 |
| -
ya know, |
themartyred |
Jun-03-07 07:22 PM |
#116 |
| -
Absolutely chilling. I'd never heard that one before. I guess if Edwards won the White House, |
smalll |
Jun-03-07 10:18 PM |
#129 |
| -
I don't believe one word of Shrum's about that alleged incident. |
BlueIris |
Jun-04-07 07:47 AM |
#149 |
| -
of course that's what he does |
GreenArrow |
Jun-04-07 10:58 AM |
#158 |
| -
I regret Kerry (no one was excited for him) |
StudentProgressive |
Jun-03-07 05:51 PM |
#110 |
| -
sorry, your comment is dead wrong |
themartyred |
Jun-03-07 07:24 PM |
#117 |
| -
Thanks for the real world perspective |
politicasista |
Jun-03-07 07:31 PM |
#118 |
| -
you're more than welcome |
themartyred |
Jun-03-07 10:12 PM |
#127 |
| -
No one |
globalvillage |
Jun-03-07 08:33 PM |
#119 |
| -
That was the Anybody But Bush rally not Yay Kerry Rally |
StudentProgressive |
Jun-03-07 09:32 PM |
#120 |
| -
i supported Kerry |
JI7 |
Jun-03-07 09:42 PM |
#122 |
| -
Exactly n/t |
politicasista |
Jun-03-07 09:42 PM |
#123 |
| -
Baloney. n/t |
globalvillage |
Jun-03-07 09:44 PM |
#124 |
| -
I love how you respond to their pic of the large crowd |
themartyred |
Jun-03-07 10:19 PM |
#130 |
| -
As a blue stater, I missed the 2004 rallies |
karynnj |
Jun-03-07 10:42 PM |
#135 |
| -
you rock! |
themartyred |
Jun-04-07 02:07 AM |
#143 |
| -
I'm glad you said that, |
seasonedblue |
Jun-04-07 02:15 AM |
#145 |
| -
thank you |
themartyred |
Jun-04-07 12:07 PM |
#162 |
| -
Were you there? |
karynnj |
Jun-03-07 10:29 PM |
#134 |
| -
DON'T EXPECT AN INTELLIGENT ANSWER.... |
themartyred |
Jun-04-07 02:08 AM |
#144 |
| -
In January, Dean polled 20 points behind Bush |
karynnj |
Jun-03-07 10:16 PM |
#128 |
| -
I was - Many people were. Get real!\nt |
Mass |
Jun-04-07 06:58 AM |
#147 |
| -
You've Done This One Before! Okay WE Get The Message! |
ChiciB1 |
Jun-03-07 09:40 PM |
#121 |
| -
VERY accurate statement... makes ya wonder, huh? n/t |
themartyred |
Jun-03-07 10:23 PM |
#133 |
| -
To remind people who the real John Edwards is. |
Clark2008 |
Jun-03-07 11:04 PM |
#138 |
| -
What I Do See Is That THEY ALL Are MANIPULATIVE! It' Politics & I've Been Around |
ChiciB1 |
Jun-04-07 09:03 AM |
#150 |
| -
I wished Kerry would have "gone with his gut" a lot more |
skipos |
Jun-03-07 10:04 PM |
#126 |
| -
Read Elizabeth Edwards reply to these idiotic comments |
question everything |
Jun-03-07 10:23 PM |
#132 |
| -
Oh Good Lord |
seasonedblue |
Jun-03-07 11:39 PM |
#139 |
| -
This is less than coherent |
karynnj |
Jun-04-07 07:03 AM |
#148 |
| -
If she brought up snaking |
seasonedblue |
Jun-04-07 10:25 AM |
#153 |
| -
I honestly think she would have done better to |
karynnj |
Jun-04-07 10:58 AM |
#159 |
| -
Well... Blitzer asked her |
question everything |
Jun-04-07 11:15 AM |
#160 |
| -
I don't think that is changing the subject |
karynnj |
Jun-04-07 04:59 PM |
#167 |
| -
Kerry's biggest mistake was picking Edwards |
TheDonkey |
Jun-03-07 11:44 PM |
#140 |
| -
Kerry walked away from 2004..EDWARDS wanted to FIGHT! |
Roxy66 |
Jun-03-07 11:54 PM |
#141 |
| -
That's easy to say..... |
FrenchieCat |
Jun-04-07 12:18 AM |
#142 |
| -
True - Edwards said nothing publicly in 2005, even about the |
karynnj |
Jun-04-07 06:56 AM |
#146 |
| -
Edwards was/is on an ego trip. |
high density |
Jun-04-07 09:34 PM |
#175 |
| -
I regret it too because if he had chosen Clark...he would have won in |
Auntie Bush |
Jun-04-07 10:40 AM |
#155 |
| -
Wow. So Kerry thinks Edwards caused him to lose? |
Truth Hurts A Lot |
Jun-04-07 10:58 AM |
#157 |
| -
it apparently eases the pain |
AtomicKitten |
Jun-04-07 04:57 PM |
#166 |
| -
Shrum is a shmuck |
LittleClarkie |
Jun-04-07 04:53 PM |
#165 |
| -
Kerry was edawrads' mistake. |
Mark 2000 |
Jun-04-07 07:17 PM |
#170 |
| -
That's sounds like something from Faux news n/t |
politicasista |
Jun-04-07 07:21 PM |
#171 |
| -
I don't believe anything Shrum says... |
NastyRiffraff |
Jun-04-07 09:15 PM |
#173 |
| -
Indeed. Kerry will have to come out and say this himself |
LittleClarkie |
Jun-04-07 09:19 PM |
#174 |
| -
I think it's interesting to take a peek inside. |
AtomicKitten |
Jun-04-07 09:40 PM |
#176 |
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Here's a funny post I found on Free Republic |
Apollo11 |
Jun-05-07 04:23 AM |
#177 |
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