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AbsolutNickUSN Donating Member (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-03-07 06:38 PM
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108. I myself am uncomfortable with the overuse of the word "traitor"
It's hard for me to define "conservative" outside the manner in which popular culture has defined it i.e. pro life, anti gun control, pro OIF, etc

Generally speaking I regard "conservative" Democrats more along the line of centrists

What's left of the party after the DLC is destroyed, eliminated, whatever? Again I"ve always understood the Democratic party to be the party of inclusivity. How does it live up to this attribute if it cuts off the blue dogs like the DLC in the name of party politics? Does that not betray the principles upon which the Democratic party espouses?

I support Iraq funding "with no strings" not out of loyalty to the President, but loyalty to the mission in Iraq and those responsible for it's execution on the ground in Iraq, having been one of them for a nine month period. The military would have been more damaged with the "strings" My Senators Barb Mikulski consistently voted for funding since the beginning of OIF despite voting against authorization. Militarily speaking the strings (timetables) wouldn't have helped.

I'm active duty military, as such I am prevented from disrespecting President Bush as a matter of military protocol. I've not been thrilled with many of his policies but realistically the only way the Democratic majority is going to get anything accomplished is some measure of compromise and cooperation.
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  -DLC Dems - Driving Bush's Getaway Car arendt  Jun-02-07 06:16 PM   #0 
  - The first response is vital.  Flabbergasted   Jun-02-07 06:21 PM   #1 
  - Totally recommended.  Gregorian   Jun-02-07 06:26 PM   #2 
  - We have divided ourselves. "my party right or wrong" vs. "something is wrong"  Edweird   Jun-03-07 02:04 PM   #87 
  - How to "heal the division"  AbsolutNickUSN   Jun-03-07 06:07 PM   #103 
     - Someone who enables Bush is not a "conservative leaning Dem" he is a traitor  arendt   Jun-03-07 06:12 PM   #104 
     - I myself am uncomfortable with the overuse of the word "traitor"  AbsolutNickUSN   Jun-03-07 06:38 PM   #108 
        - I long resisted using the word "traitor", but now that the Constitution is shredded...  arendt   Jun-03-07 06:53 PM   #111 
           - You raise SOME good points......  AbsolutNickUSN   Jun-03-07 07:13 PM   #113 
              - APOLOGIES. I missed this reply. It is confusing, we are at two opposite ends of 100 posts  arendt   Jun-03-07 08:32 PM   #116 
              - It is un-democratic and un-Democratic  arendt   Jun-03-07 08:51 PM   #117 
     - Duplicate, sorry.  arendt   Jun-03-07 06:12 PM   #105 
  - DLC, the enemy within.  stimbox   Jun-02-07 06:26 PM   #3 
  - I don't consider the DLC democrats but another brand of  Cleita   Jun-02-07 06:29 PM   #4 
  - I'm with you all the way on this.  truedelphi   Jun-03-07 12:48 AM   #27 
  - I applaud and agree with your point that  truth2power   Jun-03-07 11:12 AM   #60 
     - Yes, before party politics we need to get instant runoff voting.  Cleita   Jun-03-07 12:32 PM   #79 
        - I started researching this awhile back, and it seems  truth2power   Jun-03-07 01:22 PM   #82 
           - That's a big order although I do agree with you. n/t  Cleita   Jun-03-07 02:29 PM   #88 
              - Agreed. Not in my lifetime, I'm afraid! n/t  truth2power   Jun-03-07 05:59 PM   #100 
  - The DLC = pro-choice corporatists.  alittlelark   Jun-02-07 06:31 PM   #5 
  - Quite accurate. n/t  Mojambo   Jun-02-07 06:33 PM   #6 
  - Read this Buzzflash editorial.  Dr.Phool   Jun-02-07 06:39 PM   #7 
  - Yep. It looks like, in the scripted farce that is politics today, the Dems are supposed to...  arendt   Jun-02-07 07:51 PM   #11 
  - Constitution Candy  Moochy   Jun-02-07 09:09 PM   #14 
  - ha!  orleans   Jun-02-07 10:00 PM   #17 
  - Our Actions Have Told Them To Do This  MannyGoldstein   Jun-02-07 06:46 PM   #8 
  - Cowards, collaborators and accomplices.  Raster   Jun-02-07 06:51 PM   #9 
  - your Serpico is more like Scarface  CGowen   Jun-02-07 06:51 PM   #10 
  - knr  cosmicdot   Jun-02-07 08:16 PM   #12 
  - "the plutocrats are setting up the DLC as their next puppet government."  LibertyorDeath   Jun-02-07 08:55 PM   #13 
  - we need to never vote for DLC candidates. They are traitors.  illinoisprogressive   Jun-02-07 09:17 PM   #15 
  - Agree, we need to get commitments on which side democrats are on.  rhett o rick   Jun-02-07 11:04 PM   #23 
  - K&R.  Vidar   Jun-02-07 09:47 PM   #16 
  - if you haven't heard this "bit" at the top of this clip, you should  orleans   Jun-02-07 10:11 PM   #18 
  - Wussocrats - and that hapless, effeminate dweeb...LOL...thanks...n/t  arendt   Jun-02-07 10:57 PM   #20 
     - WUSSOCRATS! ----------- I love it!  Totally Committed   Jun-03-07 07:29 AM   #37 
  - Amen. Recommended.  maggiegault   Jun-02-07 10:18 PM   #19 
  - History will judge the Democratic Party harshly for giving up so  Lydia Leftcoast   Jun-02-07 10:57 PM   #21 
  - So the big question is how do you tell them apart???  az chela   Jun-02-07 11:48 PM   #24 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-02-07 11:02 PM   #22 
  - For progressive leadership look to the "Black Caucus" --  defendandprotect   Jun-02-07 11:58 PM   #25 
  - That's the line my thinking has been taking. We need to shut down  loudsue   Jun-03-07 10:56 AM   #54 
  - With Malice Aforethought  Me.   Jun-03-07 12:34 AM   #26 
  - No more money for them until they start impeachment proceedings  Maraya1969   Jun-03-07 02:41 AM   #28 
  - HEre is my list of Senators and their scores.  Zodiak Ironfist   Jun-03-07 03:30 AM   #29 
  - Something strike to me as "interesting"  Aya Reiko   Jun-03-07 04:21 AM   #30 
  - Are Red State voters insisting...  greendog   Jun-03-07 06:34 AM   #32 
     - Ahh...thanks for responding to that post.  Zodiak Ironfist   Jun-03-07 06:39 AM   #34 
  - You can remove Joe LIEberman from the list.  sellitman   Jun-03-07 06:20 AM   #31 
  - this is from the 109th Congress  Zodiak Ironfist   Jun-03-07 06:34 AM   #33 
  - In which case...  Aya Reiko   Jun-03-07 01:57 PM   #86 
  - Lieberman... party of 1. n/t  cui bono   Jun-03-07 04:23 PM   #97 
  - Thank you for producing that list. It should be called the "TO DO" list.  loudsue   Jun-03-07 11:06 AM   #57 
     - Well, if you can find someone who is willing to do it  Zodiak Ironfist   Jun-03-07 12:39 PM   #81 
  - DLC Dems should really find themselves another party.  The Backlash Cometh   Jun-03-07 07:23 AM   #35 
  - They seem to be pretty effective at hi-jacking this one...  Totally Committed   Jun-03-07 07:28 AM   #36 
     - Don't leave.  The Backlash Cometh   Jun-03-07 07:40 AM   #38 
        - I agree with you 100%, but...  Totally Committed   Jun-03-07 08:45 AM   #41 
        - The blogs, the blogs, the blogs! That's what's different.  The Backlash Cometh   Jun-03-07 08:55 AM   #42 
           - I already do that. I promise you, I do........  Totally Committed   Jun-03-07 09:16 AM   #44 
              - Good for you. You're one of the good ones.  The Backlash Cometh   Jun-03-07 09:26 AM   #45 
                 - Thank you, Backlash. That is such a sweet post.  Totally Committed   Jun-03-07 09:38 AM   #46 
        - It's like the honerable generals leaving the Pentagon.  TankLV   Jun-03-07 11:12 AM   #61 
           - Feels good, but results are bad. You want only Bush generals running the military? n/t  arendt   Jun-03-07 11:36 AM   #68 
  - *applause*  Lerkfish   Jun-03-07 07:53 AM   #39 
  - Senators don't have the power to Impeach...It's the House of Representatives...  Tellurian   Jun-03-07 08:17 AM   #40 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-03-07 09:04 AM   #43 
  - DLC=Democrat Loathing Centrists  DemDem07   Jun-03-07 09:48 AM   #47 
  - To all: thanks for the validation. It is very empowering to know that DU is wise to...  arendt   Jun-03-07 10:05 AM   #48 
  - K&R!  DKRC   Jun-03-07 10:06 AM   #49 
  - Tactically, I think its better to fight them from inside the party (at least before the nomination)  arendt   Jun-03-07 10:09 AM   #50 
  - The time for compromise is long past.  LWolf   Jun-03-07 10:40 AM   #51 
  - So who is doing the confronting (of the DLC, not Bush)  arendt   Jun-03-07 10:47 AM   #53 
     - That's the core of the problem.  LWolf   Jun-03-07 11:38 AM   #70 
  - Know Your DLC Dems! List Here....  leftchick   Jun-03-07 10:46 AM   #52 
  - Thanks, but I think NNDB is going to eat my life. Very interesting site...  arendt   Jun-03-07 11:05 AM   #56 
     - you are welcome  leftchick   Jun-03-07 12:12 PM   #77 
  - Let's make Americans aware. Front page ads.  Gregorian   Jun-03-07 11:02 AM   #55 
  - First build a sustainable organization, then take out the ads...  arendt   Jun-03-07 11:10 AM   #59 
  - That's a lot to think about.  Gregorian   Jun-03-07 11:41 AM   #71 
     - Wrong frame. Here's the right one: if the DLC exists, the Democratic Wing can exist too  arendt   Jun-03-07 11:48 AM   #73 
  - That is essential. We need to start our own PAC and raise $$ and put out ads.  loudsue   Jun-03-07 11:34 AM   #67 
     - Call it "The Democratic Wing", logo is a donkey with wings, like the Tristar Pics logo. n/t  arendt   Jun-03-07 11:38 AM   #69 
        - Brilliant!! I'll bet Dr. Dean would appreciate that, too.  loudsue   Jun-03-07 03:37 PM   #91 
           - I dragged out Bullfinch's Mythology to check on Pegasus...  arendt   Jun-03-07 03:42 PM   #92 
  - On target. Another "R" (n/t)  kenzee13   Jun-03-07 11:09 AM   #58 
  - like someone else pointed out recently here--it is just a game of  bbgrunt   Jun-03-07 11:21 AM   #62 
  - ummm - that 'someone' was me, in "The Party Formerly Known as Democratic" n/t  arendt   Jun-03-07 11:29 AM   #64 
     - much appreciated turn of phrase--thanks. Sorry for my sloppy memory of names.  bbgrunt   Jun-03-07 11:56 AM   #74 
  - So I guess we can now all agree that Howard Dean's 50-state strategy  plgoldsmith   Jun-03-07 11:22 AM   #63 
  - On Howard Dean  sampsonblk   Jun-03-07 11:29 AM   #65 
  - Unfortunately, the DNC has no control over the ?DCRC?  arendt   Jun-03-07 11:34 AM   #66 
     - Its the DCCC (Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee)...  arendt   Jun-03-07 12:02 PM   #76 
  - What would the Founders Say??? Where is the Outrage?  Pierzin   Jun-03-07 11:43 AM   #72 
  - I agree with all you said, but getting their claws out isn't simple...  arendt   Jun-03-07 12:00 PM   #75 
  - You are SO right! That's why in 2008, the Democratic Primary IS the election!  calipendence   Jun-03-07 03:05 PM   #89 
  - Amen !! Amen!!Amen""  OHdem10   Jun-03-07 12:38 PM   #80 
  - each of the two previous repuke "administrations"  leftofthedial   Jun-03-07 12:31 PM   #78 
  - yes you begin to wonder if they are really Republicans in disguise  bambino   Jun-03-07 01:45 PM   #85 
     - Nothing to wonder about. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, talks like a duck,  loudsue   Jun-03-07 06:00 PM   #101 
  - Recommended. Just to let you know, Arendt..  truth2power   Jun-03-07 01:26 PM   #83 
  - Thanks. However, I can never predict which metaphor will resonate. Lots of my posts...  arendt   Jun-03-07 01:32 PM   #84 
  - Bookmarking for knowledge base awesome post!  bonito   Jun-03-07 03:24 PM   #90 
  - DLC=Democrats Love Corporations what i call them!! eom  flyarm   Jun-03-07 03:44 PM   #93 
  - So, are you DNC or Third Party?  Tellurian   Jun-03-07 03:48 PM   #94 
  - See Post #50  arendt   Jun-03-07 03:53 PM   #95 
     - In reality you are giving your political capital to the RWingers lurking on this board..correct?  Tellurian   Jun-03-07 05:15 PM   #98 
        - You assume that the strongest candidates are true Dems, not DINOs.  arendt   Jun-03-07 05:54 PM   #99 
  - And they're using RW talking points to defend their votes  cui bono   Jun-03-07 04:21 PM   #96 
  - I totally agree  tavalon   Jun-03-07 06:01 PM   #102 
  - Wait just a sec  AbsolutNickUSN   Jun-03-07 06:17 PM   #106 
  - Its not about Al Qaida. And don't hand me Bush's BS about "being a uniter"  arendt   Jun-03-07 06:33 PM   #107 
     - Who's party?  AbsolutNickUSN   Jun-03-07 06:47 PM   #110 
        - The working man's Democratic Party, you know, with unions and stuff  arendt   Jun-03-07 07:08 PM   #112 
           - Lets go for full blown tedious  AbsolutNickUSN   Jun-03-07 07:24 PM   #114 
              - It is highly debatable that they were "ordinary middle class guys".  arendt   Jun-03-07 08:29 PM   #115 
  - You meant "Getaway Black SUV" because that's what THEY DRIVE these days....  KoKo01   Jun-03-07 06:39 PM   #109 
  - What a treat it was to see your name as the OP  Pastiche423   Jun-03-07 10:05 PM   #118 
     - You are most gracious. Thanks.  arendt   Jun-03-07 10:20 PM   #119 
        - You are most welcome  Pastiche423   Jun-03-07 10:47 PM   #120 

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